Elephant Boy Computers - top spammer

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It is interesting to note...
Posters are mostly in two categories.
Those that top post and those that bottom post.

What I have often found interesting is that there are those in one of
those groups that are intolerant of those in the other and they are
almost exclusively bottom posters.
That is not to say all bottom posters are intolerant, but the majority
of those intolerant are bottom posters.
Top posters rarely complain about posting methods and instead are
tolerant of others.
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Grass is green, therefore leaves are grass.


What about top posters who don't know what a delimiter is?
 
There was a point where I almost decided to start bottom posting, but as it
is used as a snipe by people when their other points fail, I will continue
top posting.. call it arrogance if you like..
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Mike, I don't call it Arrogance, and I'm not going to argue with you. I
would ask that you not let others trolling impact your decisions on how
to do things. Bottom posting is the norm, the way, the yen/yang, but
most of all, the only time to top post is when you delete everything
else in the reply (meaning that it's not really a top post).

I've been doing this (Usenet) since 84, it's one of the few areas on the
net where I actually picked up good information at a time when I was
less training in some areas, it's always been a good source of help for
people. Once MS discovered there was a internet and that it would play a
big part in computers, once they came out with the crappy OE ability to
reach Usenet, top posters just went through the roof - since OE
defaulted to that, like it was a broken email.

I'll ask one time and then I won't mention it again - snip/bottom post
like the majority of the quality Usenet denezins - please.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)
 
Top posters rarely complain about posting methods and instead are
tolerant of others.
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Jupiter, people that do it (post) in a selfish way don't often complain
about people doing it to the norm/standard - they are doing it "because
they can" and they want to be different.

It's not got a thing to do with Tolerance, ever.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)
 
Dave

Scrolling is easy enough. I just choose not to want to do it in order to
read every post..
 
Mike Hall - MVP said:
There was a point where I almost decided to start bottom posting, but as it
is used as a snipe by people when their other points fail, I will continue
top posting.. call it arrogance if you like..
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*******Lets call it _stubborn stupidity_*******
 
Leythos said:
Mike, I don't call it Arrogance, and I'm not going to argue with you. I
would ask that you not let others trolling impact your decisions on how
to do things. Bottom posting is the norm, the way, the yen/yang, but
most of all, the only time to top post is when you delete everything
else in the reply (meaning that it's not really a top post).

I've been doing this (Usenet) since 84, it's one of the few areas on the
net where I actually picked up good information at a time when I was
less training in some areas, it's always been a good source of help for
people. Once MS discovered there was a internet and that it would play a
big part in computers, once they came out with the crappy OE ability to
reach Usenet, top posters just went through the roof - since OE
defaulted to that, like it was a broken email.

I'll ask one time and then I won't mention it again - snip/bottom post
like the majority of the quality Usenet denezins - please.
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Leythos
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I cannot say for sure but I think that the latest/newest at the top is a
Microsoft thing. I noticed in add/remove programs the MS updates
are the latest/newest are at the top.
 
Actually, you made my point for me, Mike!

Inline posting would have preserved the flow and logical, linear order
of the information here. Now if someone wants to see the context of what
I'm talking about, it will be somewhat more difficult because of your
top-posted post and, now, my top-posted post.

If only you and I were having this conversation, it wouldn't matter at
all. But e-mail and Usenet are different. Usenet is structured for many
people to read and respond. That is why people are discouraged from
asking for personal e-mail replies to their questions.

Now, it's not really a big deal in the overall scheme of things. I'm far
more concerned with issues such as genocide. And many times, I will
chose to top-post because the post I am replying to has become too
disjointed. Although that may be fine for the person I'm replying to, it
interferes with the flow for everybody else.

*How much* does it interfere with it? Not nearly as much as some of the
other posters here have claimed. And, yes, it's possible to arrange
posts in a newsreader by date (oldest ones at the top) and to group
messages by conversation. But this is not the best method because some
news servers (Microsoft's included) may not carry *every* post and
plonked posters' messages won't show up either.

Bottom line:

Although it's easier for one to top-post, it's easier for everyone else
if one posts inline with appropriate snipping. And it just takes a few
more seconds.
 
Frank, you are not in a good position to point a finger at anybody for
whatever behavior a person may demonstrate.. :-)

--
Mike Hall - MVP
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx




Mike Hall - MVP said:
There was a point where I almost decided to start bottom posting, but as
it
is used as a snipe by people when their other points fail, I will continue
top posting.. call it arrogance if you like..
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*******Lets call it _stubborn stupidity_*******
 
Mike said:
Frank, you are not in a good position to point a finger at anybody for
whatever behavior a person may demonstrate.. :-)
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He's not *our* Frank, Mike. Look at the headers; he's using OE.

You *are* being stubbornly stupid, though.

Alias
 
Mike said:
OK, snipping done.

Have I top posted or bottom posted? :-)
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Neither and both. :-)

And again, as far as our conversation is concerned, we know what we've
been talking about. But can you see how it's bad form for everyone else?
There's absolutely no context. Snipping everything is worse than
snipping nothing at all.

Do you agree that it's bad form to post in HTML in a text newsgroup? Why
or why not?
 
I cannot say for sure but I think that the latest/newest at the top is a
Microsoft thing. I noticed in add/remove programs the MS updates
are the latest/newest are at the top.


Frank
Not on my computer they don't.
In Add/Remove you have four 'Sort by' choices -
Name
Size
Frequency of Use
Date last used
It matters not which you choose, all the MS security/priority updates show
latest at the bottom, oldest at the top - unless you are referring to
something else :-) or there is another way to show newest at the top etc.


Antioch
 
I don't mind top posting OR bottom posting but I HATE middle
posting where I have to scroll/stop dozens of times all the way
through large posting replies. The people who parse for ever and
ever through every sentence or phrase should be thrashed.
-
Doug W.
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Frank, you are not in a good position to point a finger at anybody for
whatever behavior a person may demonstrate.. :-)
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Can anyone see the thread ?

Oh, that darned delimiter of yours.

It's a twofer.
 
Dave

Apart from the troll posts, most are not too long. If I am going to
intercept a post, I read the original first and make my way down such that I
understand what has been said already.

Fishing through long, badly edited/snipped posts and where answers have been
interleaved is tiresome at best, and is not in the interests of newbies to
newsgroups at all.

There will always be some who complain anyway. Re HTML, I don't think it
matters quite honestly. We are here to help people, not criticize the way
they post, the grammar, the spelling.

There has to be give and take on all sides.
 
Mike said:
If I am going to intercept a post, I read the original first and make
my way down such that I understand what has been said already.
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That was one of my points. You (or someone else) may not be able to see
all those posts for a number of reasons. The use of inline posting along
with judicious snipping enables *everyone* to easily follow and
participate. By only being concerned with what you believe works best
for *you*, you disrupt the flow for *others*. You may not think it's an
issue worth correcting. And it's arguably a small issue. But it's the
issue of the advantage of inline posting, which is what we are
discussing.
Fishing through long, badly edited/snipped posts and where answers
have been interleaved is tiresome at best, and is not in the
interests of newbies to newsgroups at all.
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I totally agree. Note that although there is interleaving here, this
post is easier for everyone to read, including Usenet newbies.
There will always be some who complain anyway. Re HTML, I don't think
it matters quite honestly. We are here to help people, not criticize
the way they post, the grammar, the spelling.
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At least you're consistent. :-)
 
"not got a thing to do with Tolerance"
And yet is is mostly those from one group demonstrating their
intolerance.
The intolerance is in this thread.
I suppose it is easy to ignore something when that something is done
by those supporting your views.
The intolerance is there for anyone to see, in this thread.

Be careful, your post has a few ASSUMPTIONS.
And as said before most here know what it means to ASSUME.
 
Fishing through long, badly edited/snipped posts and where answers have been
interleaved is tiresome at best, and is not in the interests of newbies to
newsgroups at all.
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And in Usenet you can never be sure who is going to see what, so it's
best to assume that it's your message that they see and not ones
before/after, so it's best to either bottom/inline post or not at all.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)
 
"not got a thing to do with Tolerance"
And yet is is mostly those from one group demonstrating their
intolerance.
The intolerance is in this thread.
I suppose it is easy to ignore something when that something is done
by those supporting your views.
The intolerance is there for anyone to see, in this thread.
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Why should one be expected to tolerate that which is broken on purpose?

Why should one be expected to tolerate that which breaks the norm, when
they are broken for selfish reasons?

Your claim is hollow - it does not hold any weight.
Be careful, your post has a few ASSUMPTIONS.
And as said before most here know what it means to ASSUME.
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Yes, but my post was polite and requested that the norms of Usenet be
followed for several reason, which some continue to ignore for their own
self-importance positions.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)
 
"not got a thing to do with Tolerance"
And yet is is mostly those from one group demonstrating their
intolerance.
The intolerance is in this thread.
I suppose it is easy to ignore something when that something is done
by those supporting your views.
The intolerance is there for anyone to see, in this thread.

Be careful, your post has a few ASSUMPTIONS.
And as said before most here know what it means to ASSUME.
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What are you talking about?

That delimiter made everything disappear.

Of course, I could go through gyrations to accomodate your inability
to configure your software.

Maybe not.
 
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