Elephant Boy Computers - top spammer

[WaIIy]

Did you know that most quality, designed for Usenet, commonly snip
quoted text at 50 lines or about that? That's the difference between
using an email client for Usenet and using a Usenet client.

Leythos, you're (we're) pissing in the wind, here.

I suspect it's the "I'll do whatever the hell I want and you can live
with the fallout. If you don't like it, tough" attitude that's so
prevalent today.

Perhaps it's the God complex that is attached to being an MVP, I don't
know. Some people run more on emotion than logic and some have
flashbacks to when they were picked last for the third grade dodge ball
game. Maybe it's the puffery that's allowed due to Usenet.

I don't know.

Disclaimer -
The vast majority of Microsoft MVPs are extraordinarily
helpful and their time and expertise is appreciated by
many, including me.

 

[Leythos]

I suspect it's the "I'll do whatever the hell I want and you can live
with the fallout. If you don't like it, tough" attitude that's so
prevalent today.

Perhaps it's the God complex that is attached to being an MVP, I don't
know. Some people run more on emotion than logic and some have
flashbacks to when they were picked last for the third grade dodge ball
game. Maybe it's the puffery that's allowed due to Usenet.

Yea, I've seen it many times, a person believes they are more important
than the standards and believes that if they can do something, that it
must be intended to be a that way, even when it makes no sense.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Yea, I've seen it many times, a person believes they are more important
than the standards and believes that if they can do something, that it
must be intended to be a that way, even when it makes no sense.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)

Which is how I see it notwithstanding aging standards. It has nothing to do
with being an MVP

Maybe some of the whiners should quit it with the snipes. They may just find
that others are more amenable to what they are saying..

 

[WaIIy]

Which is how I see it notwithstanding aging standards. It has nothing to do
with being an MVP

Being an MVP may or may not be a factor. You can't speak for all MVPs.

Maybe some of the whiners should quit it with the snipes. They may just find
that others are more amenable to what they are saying..

Now it comes down to 'feelings'.

Since you can't logically address the issues, you become an arbiter of
standards and also that which you attempt to mock.

 

[Terry R.]

On 12/18/2007 6:04 AM On a whim, Mike Hall - MVP pounded out on the keyboard

Which is how I see it notwithstanding aging standards. It has nothing to do
with being an MVP

Maybe some of the whiners should quit it with the snipes. They may just find
that others are more amenable to what they are saying..

But here is a perfect example, you have to admit that the newsreader you
are using FAILED to remove the delimiter and the sig below it when you
replied to Lethos. THIS is the point we have been trying to make. The
MS mail/news clients are broken. My client (Thunderbird), properly
removed your delimiter and sig, which is the correct thing to do. And
when a client does it CORRECTLY, the clients that add the delimiter
INCORRECTLY when top posting, will remove everything below the
delimiter, something they were designed to do.

Why is it only the ones using the broken clients defend a flaw that is
so clearly evident? We're not blasting you directly, but only your (and
others) failure to see how most newsreaders work, and fix it so we can
"all get along".

--
Terry R.

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[Peter Foldes]

Terry

You are in the wrong here.

 

[Unknown]

So, Are you going to have a duel?
Terry

You are in the wrong here.

 

[Terry R.]

On 12/18/2007 11:32 AM On a whim, Peter Foldes pounded out on the keyboard

Terry

You are in the wrong here.

Please explain what EVERY newsreader does with a delimiter that NO
Windows mail client does. Please explain why only a Windows mail client
inserts a delimiter when top posting. And then proceed to explain your
comment above, especially since my newsreader knew what to do with the
delimiter in your sig and no Windows mail clients do.

Of course no one else can read what I stated, but I'M in the wrong???

--
Terry R.

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[WaIIy]

Terry

You are in the wrong here.

What are you talking about Peter?

Your delimiter wiped out everything below your sig.

Oh, but *Terry* is wrong.

 

[WaIIy]

On 12/18/2007 11:32 AM On a whim, Peter Foldes pounded out on the keyboard


Please explain what EVERY newsreader does with a delimiter that NO
Windows mail client does. Please explain why only a Windows mail client
inserts a delimiter when top posting. And then proceed to explain your
comment above, especially since my newsreader knew what to do with the
delimiter in your sig and no Windows mail clients do.

Of course no one else can read what I stated, but I'M in the wrong???

Like I said Terry, they don't care to understand because their feelings
are hurt and their egos are bruised.

They don't give a shit and you can live with the outcome.

 

[Peter Foldes]

Wally

LOL. It was snipped out by me on purpose. Just like I will do half of what you have posted below . But this time I will mark a point for you to see.

That ought to answer you

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

What are you talking about Peter?

The last two lines that you posted to me above is snipped <vbs>

 

[WaIIy]

Peter,

I can get around your delimiter by highlighting everything and go to
'reply' and edit the post.

Kind of defeats the purpose of a delimiter.

Remember, almost all apps Except MS apps use the delimiter and act upon
it as it should be used.

Well, if you bottom post with a delimiter, it follows accepted
standards.

I could see what you had there, I was being a smart ass.

You knew that.

 

[Terry R.]

On 12/18/2007 6:53 PM On a whim, Peter Foldes pounded out on the keyboard

Wally

LOL. It was snipped out by me on purpose. Just like I will do half of what you have posted below . But this time I will mark a point for you to see.

That ought to answer you

So Peter, after this in depth post, I'm still waiting for your detailed
explanation. You know, the one to my response that was removed because
of your mail client placing a delimiter when you top post.

--
Terry R.

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[WaIIy]

On 12/18/2007 6:53 PM On a whim, Peter Foldes pounded out on the keyboard


So Peter, after this in depth post, I'm still waiting for your detailed
explanation. You know, the one to my response that was removed because
of your mail client placing a delimiter when you top post.

Terry, I can't see your sig.

It suddenly disappeared when I went to reply.

Is it some trick you pulled with your software ?

 

[Leythos]

Wally

LOL. It was snipped out by me on purpose. Just like I will do half of what you have posted below . But this time I will mark a point for you to see.

That ought to answer you

In your reply, you violated standards by inserting a sig and then still
posting a reply inline to his quoted text.

That's as bad as I've ever seen.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(e-mail address removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[Terry R.]

On 12/19/2007 5:25 AM On a whim, Leythos pounded out on the keyboard

In your reply, you violated standards by inserting a sig and then still
posting a reply inline to his quoted text.

That's as bad as I've ever seen.

But he has the nerve to tell ME I'm wrong. ;-) Although he hasn't
substantiated his accusation yet...

--
Terry R.

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[Terry R.]

On 12/18/2007 10:37 PM On a whim, WaIIy pounded out on the keyboard

Terry, I can't see your sig.

It suddenly disappeared when I went to reply.

Is it some trick you pulled with your software ?

You need an MS client to see sigs ;-)

--
Terry R.

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[Daave]

On 12/18/2007 11:32 AM On a whim, Peter Foldes pounded out on the
keyboard


Please explain what EVERY newsreader does with a delimiter that NO
Windows mail client does. Please explain why only a Windows mail
client inserts a delimiter when top posting. And then proceed to
explain your comment above, especially since my newsreader knew what
to do with the delimiter in your sig and no Windows mail clients do.

Of course no one else can read what I stated, but I'M in the wrong???

I can read what you stated.

I'm confused. %-(

 

[Terry R.]

On 12/18/2007 11:32 AM On a whim, Peter Foldes pounded out on the
keyboard

Please explain what EVERY newsreader does with a delimiter that NO
Windows mail client does. Please explain why only a Windows mail
client inserts a delimiter when top posting. And then proceed to
explain your comment above, especially since my newsreader knew what
to do with the delimiter in your sig and no Windows mail clients do.

Of course no one else can read what I stated, but I'M in the wrong???

I can read what you stated.

I'm confused. %-(
[/QUOTE]

What I had stated in a previous post, that was wiped out by Peter top
posting using a delimiter. If you know the purpose of a delimiter, it
is ridiculous to add one when top posting, which is what MS clients do.
They weren't designed for it that way. Most newsreaders removes the
delimiter and everything below it. MS clients to not do that so the
developers thought it okay to use a delimiter when top posting? Why, if
the MS client ignores them anyway?

You bottom posted and don't have a delimiter. So when someone replies to
you your text will remain. Follow this thread from the beginning and
you will see what I mean.


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Terry R.

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[Daave]

I can read what you stated.

I'm confused. %-(

What I had stated in a previous post, that was wiped out by Peter top
posting using a delimiter. If you know the purpose of a delimiter, it
is ridiculous to add one when top posting, which is what MS clients
do. They weren't designed for it that way. Most newsreaders
removes the delimiter and everything below it. MS clients to not do
that so the developers thought it okay to use a delimiter when top
posting? Why, if the MS client ignores them anyway?

You bottom posted and don't have a delimiter. So when someone replies
to you your text will remain. Follow this thread from the beginning
and you will see what I mean.[/QUOTE]

I've been following. You had originally said to Mike:

<quote>

But here is a perfect example, you have to admit that the newsreader you
are using FAILED to remove the delimiter and the sig below it when you
replied to Lethos. THIS is the point we have been trying to make. The
MS mail/news clients are broken. My client (Thunderbird), properly
removed your delimiter and sig, which is the correct thing to do. And
when a client does it CORRECTLY, the clients that add the delimiter
INCORRECTLY when top posting, will remove everything below the
delimiter, something they were designed to do.

Why is it only the ones using the broken clients defend a flaw that is
so clearly evident? We're not blasting you directly, but only your (and
others) failure to see how most newsreaders work, and fix it so we can
"all get along".

</quote>

Peter's reply to you quoted your first three sentences. He purposefully
snipped the rest.

Then again, your material was *directly* below his sig (foolish!). This
has the unsettling effect of your words becoming part of his sig!

Now, whenever someone replies to that post, *that's* when your material
disappears.

Normally...

Although I use OE, I'm knowledgeable enough to also use OE QuoteFix. So,
normally, when I reply to a post with a delimiter, the delimiter and
everything below disappear -- as they should. However, I'm not quite
sure what Peter did, but when I was about to reply the same post, I
noticed the following in my reply window:

___________________________________________________

Terry

You are in the wrong here.

___________________________________________________

I assume he was trying to be clever, and I suppose he succeeded because
I'm not sure how he did that! Perhaps it was the "news : %" ?