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[Terry R.]

On 12/19/2007 5:50 PM On a whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard

I've been following. You had originally said to Mike:

<quote>

But here is a perfect example, you have to admit that the newsreader you
are using FAILED to remove the delimiter and the sig below it when you
replied to Lethos. THIS is the point we have been trying to make. The
MS mail/news clients are broken. My client (Thunderbird), properly
removed your delimiter and sig, which is the correct thing to do. And
when a client does it CORRECTLY, the clients that add the delimiter
INCORRECTLY when top posting, will remove everything below the
delimiter, something they were designed to do.

Why is it only the ones using the broken clients defend a flaw that is
so clearly evident? We're not blasting you directly, but only your (and
others) failure to see how most newsreaders work, and fix it so we can
"all get along".

</quote>

Peter's reply to you quoted your first three sentences. He purposefully
snipped the rest.

Then again, your material was *directly* below his sig (foolish!). This
has the unsettling effect of your words becoming part of his sig!

How else can one reply to someone who is top posting using a sig
delimiter? Only MS clients add a delimiter when top posting (THAT is
foolish!). I use Thunderbird, and when it's set to top post, NO
delimiter is added, as they are ONLY for bottom posting. And when I
reply to a top poster that is using a delimiter, EVERYTHING below the
delimiter is removed. Very self centered if you ask me.

Now, whenever someone replies to that post, *that's* when your material
disappears.

Yes, I'm aware of that. I (and others) have been trying to make those
certain people understand that.

Normally...

Although I use OE, I'm knowledgeable enough to also use OE QuoteFix. So,
normally, when I reply to a post with a delimiter, the delimiter and
everything below disappear -- as they should. However, I'm not quite
sure what Peter did, but when I was about to reply the same post, I
noticed the following in my reply window:

I always recommend QuoteFix to those who use OE/OL. But the one's here
top posting using a delimiter are doing it out of spite, not ignorance.
Mike has changed his posting method and I acknowledged him for it.

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I assume he was trying to be clever, and I suppose he succeeded because
I'm not sure how he did that! Perhaps it was the "news : %" ?

I don't know what you mean here.

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[WaIIy]

Although I use OE, I'm knowledgeable enough to also use OE QuoteFix. So,
normally, when I reply to a post with a delimiter, the delimiter and
everything below disappear -- as they should.

Thanks for doing that.

 

[Daave]

On 12/19/2007 5:50 PM On a whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard



How else can one reply to someone who is top posting using a sig
delimiter?

You misunderstood, Terry.

You weren't foolish. You didn't do anything at all. *Peter* was the one,
because he had top-posted, who wound up annexing your post into his
signature when he replied to your post! *That* is what was foolish. And
of course, when anyone (who is using a proper news client) replies to a
post such as Peter's, everything in his sig -- which included your
stuff! -- disappears. Okay, there's a way around it -- Ctrl+Z (at least
using OE QF), but I really do agree with you that Usenet posters should
follow established Netiquette.

Only MS clients add a delimiter when top posting (THAT is
foolish!). I use Thunderbird, and when it's set to top post, NO
delimiter is added, as they are ONLY for bottom posting. And when I
reply to a top poster that is using a delimiter, EVERYTHING below the
delimiter is removed. Very self centered if you ask me.
Agreed.


I don't know what you mean here.

When I clicked on the Reply button to Peter's post, the above (that is,
the material between the lines) appeared in my window. I think Peter was
trying to be cute because it seems he figured out a way to top-post
using a delimiter without the effect you, I, and many others have
complained about (that is, everything below the sig will be deleted when
replying to such a post). But clearly, that is not what happened! True,
in my window, Peter's sig was definitely gone -- as one would expect.
However, your material (that which he was directly responding to)
somehow didn't get deleted (as it normally would)!

I'm not sure how he did this, but I'm sure it was intentional. See his
post again:

news://msnews.microsoft.com/[email protected]

Or
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/bfd804a28e66adec

Note what came after

It was
news : %

Is that a trick? Or is that by just placing the attribution line towards
the bottom (rather than at the top -- where it normally goes... even in
OE), that Peter was able to do what he did?

 

[Daave]

Thanks for doing that.

You're welcome.

I've tried at least four different news clients. And I gotta tell you,
if I want to read or post in plain text newsgroups, I really prefer the
layout of OE. For those few times I wish to download binaries, Xnews
handles that just fine. But otherwise, OE just feels best to me.

But everyone who chooses to use OE should really be aware of its
shortcomings. Fortunately, QuoteFix does a very nice job correcting OE's
flaws.

And I totally agree with Terry. Not that I'm arguing the merits of
top-posting, but if someone chooses to do that, they at least should
have the consideration to refrain from using a delimiter. And many do do
just that. But the ones who don't can be quite frustrating! 8-O

 

[WaIIy]

When I clicked on the Reply button to Peter's post, the above (that is,
the material between the lines) appeared in my window. I think Peter was
trying to be cute because it seems he figured out a way to top-post
using a delimiter without the effect you, I, and many others have
complained about (that is, everything below the sig will be deleted when
replying to such a post). But clearly, that is not what happened! True,
in my window, Peter's sig was definitely gone -- as one would expect.
However, your material (that which he was directly responding to)
somehow didn't get deleted (as it normally would)!

I'm not sure how he did this, but I'm sure it was intentional. See his
post again:

He just copied and pasted.

 

[Terry R.]

Thanks for doing that.

You're welcome.

I've tried at least four different news clients. And I gotta tell you,
if I want to read or post in plain text newsgroups, I really prefer the
layout of OE. For those few times I wish to download binaries, Xnews
handles that just fine. But otherwise, OE just feels best to me.

But everyone who chooses to use OE should really be aware of its
shortcomings. Fortunately, QuoteFix does a very nice job correcting OE's
flaws.

And I totally agree with Terry. Not that I'm arguing the merits of
top-posting, but if someone chooses to do that, they at least should
have the consideration to refrain from using a delimiter. And many do do
just that. But the ones who don't can be quite frustrating! 8-O
[/QUOTE]

Nothing wrong with using an MS client as long as it works properly, and
you know how to accomplish that using QuoteFix.

That's all that we were asking really, to just stop the delimiter. It
wasn't a top post bottom post war. Either they don't know how and won't
learn (even though QuoteFix has been recommended), or they just like
upsetting those that ask.

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