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Nonny
It's a full tower with tons of room and I have some long IDE cables if
I need them.
Thanks for all the info Timothy.
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It's a full tower with tons of room and I have some long IDE cables if
I need them.
Thanks for all the info Timothy.
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Nonny
For PATA HDs, I like the model with (the very effective) 80mm
fan in the bottom of the removable tray:
http://kingwin.com/product_pages/kf812tbk.asp
Unfortunately that's for a SATA drive.
I liked the 101 with the bottom (and larger) fan, but it's
discontinued.
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Timothy Daniels
Yeah, I got the URL wrong. The IDE model you want is the
model that I have, and the cooling fan is really effective. I
checked PriceWatch.com, and PCTek Online has the black
ones on sale for $26, the beige ones (like mine) for $24:
http://www.pctekonline.com/atata33.html
*TimDaniels*
model that I have, and the cooling fan is really effective. I
checked PriceWatch.com, and PCTek Online has the black
ones on sale for $26, the beige ones (like mine) for $24:
http://www.pctekonline.com/atata33.html
*TimDaniels*
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Nonny
Yeah, I got the URL wrong. The IDE model you want is the
model that I have, and the cooling fan is really effective. I
checked PriceWatch.com, and PCTek Online has the black
ones on sale for $26, the beige ones (like mine) for $24:
http://www.pctekonline.com/atata33.html
If they have those, they're the only place on earth that do.
I'll try them, but I don't have high hopes.
Thanks.
B
Bill in Co.
Why on earth would you need a cooling fan for a hard drive??
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Timothy Daniels
Why on earth would you need a cooling fan for a hard drive??
Elevated temperature is one of the major killers of hard drives.
There are chips on the circuit card of the HD which get hot, and
high temps also can't be good for the armature and platter bearings.
In my Dell desktop, the primary HD is mounted right inside the
air intake holes of the case, positioned vertically with the circuit
card facing the intake holes and within an inch of the turbulent air
coming from the holes. The Dell designers could have reduced
the cost and design effort of the HD mounting hardware by mounting
it with the standard flat horizontal position with a single bent sheet
metal bracket, but they believed the added expense was worth it,
and in 9 years I haven't had a HD failure. That is just my personal
experience, but in the hardware NGs the professional system admins
and system assemblers agree that high temperature shortens the life
of a HD. Just take a look at the specs for any HD, and you'll see
the range of temps for safe operation. Those are given for a reason.
*TimDaniels*
C
Colin Barnhorst
Hard drive coolers have been around for years. They were more popular in
the Pentium 4 era when ambient temps tended to get high inside the box and
when the old Maxtor drives were running very hot (a problem since addressed
by Maxtor).
the Pentium 4 era when ambient temps tended to get high inside the box and
when the old Maxtor drives were running very hot (a problem since addressed
by Maxtor).
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Nonny
in message
Elevated temperature is one of the major killers of hard drives.
And when you put a hard drive inside a metal box (which is what you do
when you install it on a drive caddy) you make the heating problem
worse. A drive caddy is a lot more confined space than a normal
internal drive bay is.
I'm sure the drives will survive without the fan, but I'm definitely
more comfortable WITH the fan.
My external Western Digital HD has a cooling fan too.
BTW... I ordered two of the 101 racks. Now I have to wait and see if
they can fill that order.
C
Colin Barnhorst
btw, that is why a lot of techs leave empty bays between drives if they can
when setting up a new box.
when setting up a new box.
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Timothy Daniels
Nonny said:And when you put a hard drive inside a metal box (which is what
you do when you install it on a drive caddy) you make the heating
problem worse. A drive caddy is a lot more confined space than
a normal internal drive bay is.
I'm sure the drives will survive without the fan, but I'm definitely
more comfortable WITH the fan.
You'll find the regular case exhaust fan and the power supply
exhaust fan will pull air through the drive tray, but the dedicated
drive fan definitely helps.
My external Western Digital HD has a cooling fan too.
BTW... I ordered two of the 101 racks. Now I have to wait
and see if they can fill that order.
Keep your fingers and toes crossed. These may be the last
that we'll see of the configuration with the fan in the bottom of
the tray. I suspect that most buyers didn't recognize the superior
cooling (and quietness) of that configuration, and it didn't sell
well, and thus Kingwin didn't include it in its later SATA line.
*TimDaniels*
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Nonny
PLAN A...
I have a full version of Vista on the way and will attempt an upgrade
of my present installation. Vista Upgrade Advisor has identified no
significant needs other than that I will have to uninstall Nero OEM
before performing the upgrade. Also, my scanner won't work, but
that's not a real problem because I'm going to save the XP
installation by cloning it to the second IDE drive before installing.
I'll uninstall the scanner and disconnect it before performing the
installation.
Since the mobile racks won't be here when the Vista disk arrives, I'll
image and then disconnect the cloned drive before attempting the
upgrade. This probably won't be necessary, but what da hey - it won't
hurt.
I'll perform the upgrade and play with it to make sure everything is
AOK. If it is, I'll install SP1 (have already downloaded the
stand-alone version).
If that works out fine, when the racks arrive (they really aren't
necessary, but they're cheap and I'm a hardware freak), I'll install
both drives into them. The racks have keys that both lock the caddys
into them and also put power to them, allowing me to have power
available as I want without having to pull the caddy out (yes, I know
I can't do that with the PC powered on).
Once I decide that I have no further need for XP (my scanner won't
work with Vista) I'll image it and use that drive to clone the working
Vista installation.
PLAN B... same as above, but with a fresh install of Vista on the
first IDE drive.
I have a full version of Vista on the way and will attempt an upgrade
of my present installation. Vista Upgrade Advisor has identified no
significant needs other than that I will have to uninstall Nero OEM
before performing the upgrade. Also, my scanner won't work, but
that's not a real problem because I'm going to save the XP
installation by cloning it to the second IDE drive before installing.
I'll uninstall the scanner and disconnect it before performing the
installation.
Since the mobile racks won't be here when the Vista disk arrives, I'll
image and then disconnect the cloned drive before attempting the
upgrade. This probably won't be necessary, but what da hey - it won't
hurt.
I'll perform the upgrade and play with it to make sure everything is
AOK. If it is, I'll install SP1 (have already downloaded the
stand-alone version).
If that works out fine, when the racks arrive (they really aren't
necessary, but they're cheap and I'm a hardware freak), I'll install
both drives into them. The racks have keys that both lock the caddys
into them and also put power to them, allowing me to have power
available as I want without having to pull the caddy out (yes, I know
I can't do that with the PC powered on).
Once I decide that I have no further need for XP (my scanner won't
work with Vista) I'll image it and use that drive to clone the working
Vista installation.
PLAN B... same as above, but with a fresh install of Vista on the
first IDE drive.
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Nonny
Yeah, I got the URL wrong. The IDE model you want is the
model that I have, and the cooling fan is really effective. I
checked PriceWatch.com, and PCTek Online has the black
ones on sale for $26, the beige ones (like mine) for $24:
http://www.pctekonline.com/atata33.html
I emailed them this morning (after ordering them Saturday) and told
them to cancel the order if the product was unavailable.
They promptly replied that the 101 is unavailable and that the 21
Black is available and that they would update my order if I wanted
them to. Nice service. They have my order for two KF-21s
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Timothy Daniels
Nonny said:I emailed them this morning (after ordering them Saturday) and told
them to cancel the order if the product was unavailable.
They promptly replied that the 101 is unavailable and that the 21
Black is available and that they would update my order if I wanted
them to. Nice service. They have my order for two KF-21s
I hope you/they got that right. The beige units with the fan in the
bottom of the removable tray is KF-101-IPF. The black counterpart
is KF-101-IPF-B. The KF-21-IPF and KF-21-IPF-B are the single
trays in beige and black, respectively
(see: http://kingwin.com/mobileracks.asp).
*TimDaniels*
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Nonny
I hope you/they got that right. The beige units with the fan in the
bottom of the removable tray is KF-101-IPF. The black counterpart
is KF-101-IPF-B. The KF-21-IPF and KF-21-IPF-B are the single
trays in beige and black, respectively
(see: http://kingwin.com/mobileracks.asp).
I got it right and they got it right. ALL 101s are sould out. I have
the 21-IPF-B coming.
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Timothy Daniels
Nonny said::
I got it right and they got it right. ALL 101s are sould out. I have
the 21-IPF-B coming.
OK, I see them here - the ones with the single 40mm fan at the rear
of the units: http://kingwin.com/mobileracks.asp . I'd be interested
in hearing your opinion on the level of fan noise and the fan's cooling
effectiveness.
*TimDaniels*
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Nonny
:
OK, I see them here - the ones with the single 40mm fan at the rear
of the units: http://kingwin.com/mobileracks.asp . I'd be interested
in hearing your opinion on the level of fan noise and the fan's cooling
effectiveness.
Will do.
All the reviews on mobile racks with fans seem to complain about the
fan noise.
I've got so many fans now, that another couple of small ones won't
make much difference, I suspect. Heck, I might not even hear them. I
have the usual CPU fan (humongous) and power supply fan plus two case
fans: one in front of the hard drive bays and another at the rear.
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Nonny
PLAN A (upgrade) didn't work. There are no hardware conflicts, BUT...
Every shortcut on the system has an IE icon, and when I try to start a
program by clicking the shorcut, it opens IE for a couple seconds then
IE closes. Even the IE shortcut.
AND I can't make a new shortcut to any program. All attempts result
in the above.
<sigh>
Every shortcut on the system has an IE icon, and when I try to start a
program by clicking the shorcut, it opens IE for a couple seconds then
IE closes. Even the IE shortcut.
AND I can't make a new shortcut to any program. All attempts result
in the above.
<sigh>
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Nonny
I've got both racks installed and have clean installed Vista Home
Basic on the larger of the two IDE drives. Loading SP1 crashed me
yesterday and didn't install, so today I clean installed Vista a
second time and only loaded "critical updates" so far.
It's working FINE (and only takes up about 8 gigs of space).
Are the new rear-fan racks noisy? NO WAY! Can't hear 'em at all. I'm
very pleased with the rack's construction. And PXTek got them to me
in two days using UPS ground ($11 for both).
One slightly annoying thing: both drive activity lights flicker when
either drive is active.
Ain't no biggee.
Thanks for your help (and everyone else's) on this project.
N
Basic on the larger of the two IDE drives. Loading SP1 crashed me
yesterday and didn't install, so today I clean installed Vista a
second time and only loaded "critical updates" so far.
It's working FINE (and only takes up about 8 gigs of space).
Are the new rear-fan racks noisy? NO WAY! Can't hear 'em at all. I'm
very pleased with the rack's construction. And PXTek got them to me
in two days using UPS ground ($11 for both).
One slightly annoying thing: both drive activity lights flicker when
either drive is active.
Ain't no biggee.
Thanks for your help (and everyone else's) on this project.
N
T
Timothy Daniels
Nonny said:I've got both racks installed and have clean installed Vista Home
Basic on the larger of the two IDE drives. Loading SP1 crashed
me yesterday and didn't install, so today I clean installed Vista a
second time and only loaded "critical updates" so far.
It's working FINE (and only takes up about 8 gigs of space).
Are the new rear-fan racks noisy? NO WAY! Can't hear 'em at all.
I'm very pleased with the rack's construction. And PXTek got them
to me in two days using UPS ground ($11 for both).
One slightly annoying thing: both drive activity lights flicker when
either drive is active.
Ain't no biggee.
Thanks for your help (and everyone else's) on this project.
N
Thanks for the report on the quiet fan. I'm glad to know that
Kingwin's mobile racks are still quiet despite the discontinuation
of the bottom fan design. I'm a little confused as to why the
activity lights on separate mobile racks would flicker in unison.
Did you get a two-tray model or did you put two racks on one
IDE cable?
*TimDaniels*
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Timothy Daniels
Nonny said:Are the new rear-fan racks noisy? NO WAY! Can't hear 'em at all.
I'm very pleased with the rack's construction....
After you've used 'em for a while, let us know how well they keep
the hard drive cool. My mobile rack with the bottom fan keeps the
hard drive at human body temp (*my* body temp)!
*TimDaniels*
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