can I run w98 on another partition?

[Trixie]

I have a program that they quit making. It worked for a while on XP
but now, for some reason it isn't working dependably. I was told it
was designed for 98 after all, not XP.

I've got a partition I recently made for back ups which I really don't
need since I have a separate external back up drive to install for
that. So can I install 98 on this free partition? If so, would I be
able to run that program on that drive, while working on the other XP
drives?? I'm rather clueless on running two operation systems at once.

Trixie

 

[MP Descartes]

I have a program that they quit making. It worked for a while on XP
but now, for some reason it isn't working dependably. I was told it
was designed for 98 after all, not XP.

I've got a partition I recently made for back ups which I really don't
need since I have a separate external back up drive to install for
that. So can I install 98 on this free partition? If so, would I be
able to run that program on that drive, while working on the other XP
drives?? I'm rather clueless on running two operation systems at once.

You can only have one operating system running at a time... unless you
setup a virtual machine which uses your RAM to run another one.

Don't ask me... I've never done it.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

How to create a multiple-boot system in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306559/en-us

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience

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I have a program that they quit making. It worked for a while on XP
but now, for some reason it isn't working dependably. I was told it
was designed for 98 after all, not XP.

I've got a partition I recently made for back ups which I really don't
need since I have a separate external back up drive to install for
that. So can I install 98 on this free partition? If so, would I be
able to run that program on that drive, while working on the other XP
drives?? I'm rather clueless on running two operation systems at once.

Trixie

 

[sgopus]

yes, you can, however do you really want to?

the problem comes in with finding drivers for all the hardware for windows 98.

 

[Lil' Dave]

I have a program that they quit making. It worked for a while on XP
but now, for some reason it isn't working dependably. I was told it
was designed for 98 after all, not XP.

I've got a partition I recently made for back ups which I really don't
need since I have a separate external back up drive to install for
that. So can I install 98 on this free partition? If so, would I be
able to run that program on that drive, while working on the other XP
drives?? I'm rather clueless on running two operation systems at once.

Trixie

There's many ways to run 98 directly if your PC's bios maps SATA to ide, or
you're running ide hard drives. 98 can be run off an ide drive connected to
a PCI ide card, if your bios can be set to boot from that. If not, you can
always get an older 98 compatible PC or laptop to run it on. As sgopus
said, you'll need 98 compatible hardware drivers in either case. 98 can
also be run virtually within the XP environment, you still need the hardware
drivers.

Tell us what is best for you, before asking for more information. Thanks.

 

[Trixie]

There's many ways to run 98 directly if your PC's bios maps SATA to ide, or
you're running ide hard drives.  98 can be run off an ide drive connected to
a PCI ide card, if your bios can be set to boot from that.  If not, youcan
always get an older 98 compatible PC or laptop to run it on.  As sgopus
said, you'll need 98 compatible hardware drivers in either case.  98 can
also be run virtually within the XP environment, you still need the hardware
drivers.

Tell us what is best for you, before asking for more information.  Thanks.

Where is it that you go that brings up all your hardware profiles? I
forgot.

Trixie

 

[Al Dykes]

I have a program that they quit making. It worked for a while on XP
but now, for some reason it isn't working dependably. I was told it
was designed for 98 after all, not XP.

I've got a partition I recently made for back ups which I really don't
need since I have a separate external back up drive to install for
that. So can I install 98 on this free partition? If so, would I be
able to run that program on that drive, while working on the other XP
drives?? I'm rather clueless on running two operation systems at once.

Run your Win98 and the application as a virtual machine on your machine.

 

[Ian D]

How to create a multiple-boot system in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306559/en-us

The OP wants to run WP and Win98 simutaneously. This can
only be done by setting up a virtual Win98 session under XP.

 

[Trixie]

There's many ways to run 98 directly if your PC's bios maps SATA to ide, or
you're running ide hard drives.  98 can be run off an ide drive connected to
a PCI ide card, if your bios can be set to boot from that.  If not, youcan
always get an older 98 compatible PC or laptop to run it on.  As sgopus
said, you'll need 98 compatible hardware drivers in either case.  98 can
also be run virtually within the XP environment, you still need the hardware
drivers.

Tell us what is best for you, before asking for more information.  Thanks.

Hi:

This is my system setup:
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OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name TRIX-AMD-5200
System Manufacturer NVIDIA
System Model AWRDACPI
System Type X86-based PC
Processor x86 Family 15 Model 67 Stepping 2 AuthenticAMD ~2612 Mhz
Processor x86 Family 15 Model 67 Stepping 2 AuthenticAMD ~2612 Mhz
BIOS Version/Date Award Software International, Inc. F4, 7/18/2006
SMBIOS Version 2.3
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume2
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.
040803-2158)"
User Name -AMD-5200\trix
Time Zone Eastern Standard Time
Total Physical Memory 2,048.00 MB
Available Physical Memory 1.22 GB
Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB
Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB
Page File Space 3.85 GB
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Would I have any problem with RAM to have this other program running
tests on the virtual PC environment on windows 98 while I have the XP
running on the physical computer?

Trixie

 

[Trixie]

The OP wants to run WP and Win98 simutaneously. This can
only be done by setting up a virtual Win98 session under XP.

That's what I'll do then. I just posted my system info. Will I still
have to find different drivers to use 98 on the virt. PC?

trixie

 

[Trixie]

The OP wants to run WP and Win98 simutaneously. This can
only be done by setting up a virtual Win98 session under XP.

oops posted before finished...
I think I have the sata hardrive. Is that a problem?

 

[Trixie]

oops posted before finished...
I think I have the sata hardrive. Is that a problem?

Okay, I just learned its a Seagate 160GB Barracuda 7200.9 SATA
if that helps.

 

[Norman]

Perhaps I am misinformed, but I thought that running the older OS in virtual
with XP as OS, it used the same hardware and drivers.
That is, the reason for the MS virtual addition was to run older software on
XP, not use older hardware on XP?
Norman

 

[Snidley W.]

The OP wants to run WP and Win98 simutaneously. This can
only be done by setting up a virtual Win98 session under XP.

Trying to think about someone doing two things simultaneously is
multi-tasking for Carey... and he's notoriously bad at thinking of ONE
thing at a time, much less two.

 

[Bill Blanton]

Total Physical Memory 2,048.00 MB

Would I have any problem with RAM to have this other program running
tests on the virtual PC environment on windows 98 while I have the XP
running on the physical computer?

I run a VirtualPC install of XP within XP with no problems on a machine
with 2GB installed physical memory. Windows98 is even easier. The more
the better, but 2GB is sufficient. You don't have to worry about drivers
as the virtual machine uses a virtual hardware layer that is invisible to
the guest OS.

There's a little bit of a learning curve, but that is the way to go IMO.

 

[olfart]

I run a VirtualPC install of XP within XP with no problems on a machine
with 2GB installed physical memory. Windows98 is even easier. The more
the better, but 2GB is sufficient. You don't have to worry about drivers
as the virtual machine uses a virtual hardware layer that is invisible to
the guest OS.

There's a little bit of a learning curve, but that is the way to go IMO.

When you install Win98 in the VirtualPC you assign the amount of HD space
and RAM for it to use. I have a box running Win2000 with Win95, Win98 and
WinME each running in a VM with no problems. Once you get used to it you
should like it.

 

[Bill Blanton]

I run a VirtualPC install of XP within XP with no problems on a machine
with 2GB installed physical memory. Windows98 is even easier. The more
the better, but 2GB is sufficient. You don't have to worry about drivers
as the virtual machine uses a virtual hardware layer that is invisible to
the guest OS.

Actually, that's not accurate. Drivers are needed to drive the virtual hardware.
However, 98 contains those drivers compatible with that basic hardware.

 

[Trixie]

Actually, that's not accurate. Drivers are needed to drive the virtual hardware.
However, 98 contains those drivers compatible with that basic hardware.

Ok. I'm excited about getting it set up. I'm glad I had Virtual PC !
One question: Do you think its better to set it up as *dynamic
expanding hard drive* where it expands as needed or assign it a fixed
amount of space?

 

[olfart]

Actually, that's not accurate. Drivers are needed to drive the virtual
hardware.
However, 98 contains those drivers compatible with that basic hardware.

Ok. I'm excited about getting it set up. I'm glad I had Virtual PC !
One question: Do you think its better to set it up as *dynamic
expanding hard drive* where it expands as needed or assign it a fixed
amount of space?

yes....then as you add programs and files to Win98 it will make room in the
Virtual Hard Drive. You can only access the Virtual HD through a floppy or
CD since there will be no USB support...or....if you set up a small FAT32
partition in your WIN XP you can put files and program .exe there and then
the WIN 98 Virtual will be able to access it and you can install from there.

 

[Bill Blanton]

Ok. I'm excited about getting it set up. I'm glad I had Virtual PC !
One question: Do you think its better to set it up as *dynamic
expanding hard drive* where it expands as needed or assign it a fixed
amount of space?

What olfart said. The dynamic expanding drive will give you more latitude
when expanding the disk as well as keeping the "disk" as small as possible.
The Virtual Hard Disk (VHD) is a file on the host OS, and is rather large.
For a bare bones Win98 install it will be somewhere around 200MB, if you
set it up to use a dynamic disk.

As an aside, to backup your virtual disks you simply copy the files to another
drive or folder.