Install second O.S. on 2nd partition

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Andy

Drive C: has two partitions with XP on the primary partition.

Can I install another O.S. on the second without affecting the primary partition.

Thanks,
Andy
 
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Paul

Andy said:
Drive C: has two partitions with XP on the primary partition.

Can I install another O.S. on the second without affecting the primary partition.

Thanks,
Andy

Yes. But a word of warning.

When I installed Win2K, and installed Win2K a second time on the same
disk, the installer CD chose to create a logical partition for the second OS,
and used the boot manager of the first install for boot.ini related stuff.
To me, that was an awful mess, and not what I had intended at all. Now, if
I'd needed to delete the first OS for some reason, that second
OS is now virtually useless. (No means to boot, no primary partition,
no boot flag, = mess)

I don't know if WinXP works that way or not.

If I was doing it, I would be careful to "neuter" the first
install, so the installer wouldn't get nearly as many clever ideas.
I would remove the boot flag as a start. You might be able to
do something like that with "diskpart" from the recovery
console. On running systems, I might just use PTEDIT32,
which has a GUI (on Win7, run as administrator).

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/PTEDIT32.zip

If you try changing the partition type field in PTEDIT32, that
might seem to be enough to hide a partition from the installer,
but I've had at least one case, where an installer would not
take no for an answer, and it scanned the partitions to figure
out what they were, and did whatever it felt like anyway. In
fact, with IDE disks, there is little short of trashing the
file system header, that can keep "nosy software" from being
too clever.

Installer CDs can also be instructed to use an empty partition,
but they're still going to look for an existing boot.ini they
can hook into. If none of the requirements were met for doing
that, then the installer would be forced to set the boot flag
on the new partition, load MBR with boot code, and it would
basically be pretending it was the only OS.

With this much uncertainty, backup up first...

Paul
 
A

Andy

Drive C: has two partitions with XP on the primary partition.



Can I install another O.S. on the second without affecting the primary partition.



Thanks,

Andy

A repair install did not help.

Thanks Paul.

I was wondering if I could salvage some programs by copying all the files along with their path info and paste it to the c: drive of a new xp install.

Andy
 
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philo 

A repair install did not help.

Thanks Paul.

I was wondering if I could salvage some programs by copying all the files along with their path info and paste it to the c: drive of a new xp install.

Andy


Most programs will require a totally fresh install
 
P

Paul

Andy said:
That's a partial answer.

To a first order approximation, it's a great answer.

Least work, is to reinstall, assuming the installers have
been collected in one place.

(For things like email tools, the critical part is
saving the database holding boxes, and the address book.
The program installation itself might be relatively
uncomplicated. Rescuing all the emails is the important
part.)

To move a program, it's very simple.

1) Move files and directories associated with the program.
For example, Firefox, the files might be in two or three
different places. You need to know a program well, to know
how scattered the install went. "Program Files" is not
the only directory.

2) A program installer will spew registry entries all over the
place. Say a program has some program preferences, but it
also screws around with the sound subsystem. It might place
some relatively anonymous (not named after itself) entries
in the registry. Now, that's the tough part. Is sewing the
registry all back together. The things named after the program,
might be easy to find, whereas other sneaky settings, less so.

I would say (1) is relatively easy. You can take some educated
guesses as to where stuff went.

The (2) thing is harder. Getting exactly the right parts
of the registry, is hard.

Now, what we haven't covered, is "high and mighty" programs.
These are programs that cost hundred of dollars to buy. The
manufacturer, seeks to prevent people from "stealing"
the program. Modifications are made by the installer to
the system, stuff is perhaps put outside the file system.
In many ways, it's almost like malware behavior. This
would be even harder to track down, short of scouring
the Internet for "cracks" to avoid whatever the
program uses for activation/registration/validation.
You may move the files for Adobe Photoshop, only to be
greeted by a frozen screen (as it figures out the install
is not valid).

Philo's solution avoids the headaches. If you want to
play Dick Tracy, part of it is easy, and part of it
is not. And programs are under no obligation to
repair their preferences, or rerun parts of the
installer on demand. While the odd program may
advertise a repair capability (such as seen
in "Add/Remove" programs control panel), you're
not going to be saved by that generally. Some
programs, when you go to uninstall them, they
just uninstall. And some programs offer options,
either to uninstall or to repair.

Even the Add/Remove menu, may not end up populated
correctly, if you just moved some folders from the
old install. Then, when you want to uninstall something,
there has to be a link to the uninstaller executable
in the Program Files thing.

It's certainly possible, to use programs that
trace program installation. And using such a program,
you could develop a "grocery list" of steps needed
to move the program. But if you're doing this
unaided, you're going to be at this for a couple
weeks straight. And a program that traces installations,
you'd have had to install that when the computer was
brand new, so the log would be complete. Installing
such a program or scheme now, would only be good
for the next time.

There may even be programs you can buy, which will attempt
to move the programs from an old system to a new system.
If the program has a good reputation (i.e. they spent the
time to custom-design recipes for a couple hundred different
popular programs), it might even be worth buying. But
recognize the problem is "hard", and just as easily,
there could be programs it doesn't know how to move.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2353299,00.asp

"To the rescue comes Laplink's PCmover, which the company
claims is the only software utility that can transfer
programs from XP to Windows 7. In my testing, PCmover
proved itself more than up to the task."

(Their web page is a bit annoying.)

http://www.laplink.com/index.php/individuals/pcmover-for-windows-8/feature-overview

Paul
 
A

Andy

Drive C: has two partitions with XP on the primary partition.



Can I install another O.S. on the second without affecting the primary partition.



Thanks,

Andy

Re-installing was an early consideration but it leads to data lost.

There is nothing wrong with my hard drive and the file and file system look to
be O.K.

I have backups for 85% of what's on the primary drive.

I'll do some "gum shoeing" and some experimenting.

My assembly programming background has a lot of tools that would come in handy for seeing how a program was installed.

Type at you later,
Andy
 
J

John Smith

Andy said:
Drive C: has two partitions with XP on the primary partition.

No Drive C: with two partitions,
for C:\ is a ROOT Drive of one partition

Partition is a Drives on one Hard Disk Drive..

So it is, Disk Drive 0: with partitions Drives 1 & 2 = ROOT C & D
multi(1)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(0)\CD/DVD RAM = ROOT E

More disk you have the ROOT C & D will move out of place..
that is bad..
Disk Drive 0: with partitions Drives 1 & 2 = ROOT C & E
Disk Drive 1: with partitions Drives 1 = ROOT D
multi(1)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(0)\CD/DVD RAM = ROOT F


[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP
Can I install another O.S. on the second without affecting the primary partition.

Remove one Disk Drive First.
Run with just the two partitions,
with XP on the primary partition Only.

[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\another="O.S.

If XP on disk(0) partition(1)
You can install Newer WINDOWS OS too partition(2),
or Linux.

For All old WINDOWS OS before XP,
have to be install first on disk(0) partition(1)
then XP will be install disk(0) partition(2)


multi(0) = Primary
multi(1) = Secondary

disk(0) = Hard Drive one
disk(1) = Hard Drive Two

partition(0) = partition one
partition(1) = partition Two


--
Always turn on the Automatic Updates feature in Windows XP.

Now you need to know how to use MS Fix-It
< http://fixitcenter.support.microsoft.com/Portal >

At no time Format partition 2 D: System-Recovery
 
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philo 

That's a partial answer.


Since you gave *zero* info as to what the programs are, that's about the
best answer you can get.

Most programs will require a total reinstall.

Programs which have no registry entries will work if just copied over.
 
J

John Smith

Andy said:
A repair install did not help.

Thanks Paul.

I was wondering if I could salvage some programs by copying all the files along with their path info and paste it to the c: drive
of a new xp install.

Andy you can move primary partition to the secondary partition,
install your news OS on the primary partition,
Afterwards use your XP CD to make a BOOT......
 
A

Andy

Andy you can move priavemary partition to the secondary partition,

install your news OS on the primary partition,

Afterwards use your XP CD to make a BOOT......

I have it running now.

I copied all of my C: drive to the second partition, D: drive.

D: drive will be where I do a sort of post mortem for use in maybe reconstructing some programs that I did not have a backup for.

Then I reinstalled XP on C: drive.

Then I made a disk image my c: drive.

The hard part will probably be in salvaging those programs.

Andy
 
J

John Smith

Andy said:
I have it running now.
I copied all of my C: drive to the second partition, D: drive.
D: drive will be where I do a sort of post mortem for use in maybe reconstructing some >programs that I did not have a backup for.
Then I reinstalled XP on C: drive.
Then I made a disk image my c: drive.

The hard part will probably be in salvaging those programs.

Well Andy that will work

But I was trying to get you to move All C partition to D partition..
For get XP up and running on D partition as a working OS..

You know you can reinstalled XP to D partition right..

If you install a new OS on D partition,
it will write and install Boot Files on C partition,
Yes on and in your XP

Now Andy We need Info..
Your Hard Drive is a ?
Western WD???
Seagate
IBM
we need to know,
to get you the right DOS software for that Hard Drive,
to put a partition in a partition..

and how big is partitions of C & D ?
 
A

Andy

Drive C: has two partitions with XP on the primary partition.



Can I install another O.S. on the second without affecting the primary partition.



Thanks,

Andy

Manufacturer Fujitsu
Model FUJITSU MJA2250BH G2
Size 250.0 GB
 
J

John Smith

Andy said:
Manufacturer Fujitsu
Model FUJITSU MJA2250BH G2
Size 250.0 GB

MaxBlast 4 to Copy All from;
partition to partition
C to D
on FUJITSU
Do-not use to make new partitions.
with out more Info first....


You can use Maxtor MaxBlast 4
Bootable CD .ISO Image File
Windows 98-98Se-Me-2000-XP
59.3Mb on a FUJITSU Hard Disk

Home > Search for Maxtor
< http://www.helpdrivers.com/disks/Maxtor/ >
Rightside of webpage Click
Select a category: HD Controller & Removable drive
Maxtor Select Model: Maxtor MaxBlast 4 Bootable CD .ISO Image File
Download
Download
/H2ONLHJFSTN2005/mxblst4cd.zip

Just to keep you not use


you have to Burn the .ISO for a CD.
Here Software for you DeepBurner Free "if you need one",
< http://www.deepburner.com/download/DeepBurner1.exe >

Just to keep you not use until you give more Info..
We need to know how big is your partitions Size on that
250.0 GB.........................................




Information

Fujitsu Limited
October 1, 2009

Fujitsu Limited has transferred its hard disk drive (HDD)
business to Toshiba Corporation on October 1st, 2009.
Please click here for Toshiba Web Site to see past
Fujitsu hard disk drive OEM products.

And Toshiba Web Site Sucks......

@< http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=MJA2250BH-G2-DT>
Main Specifications
Product Description

FUJITSU Mobile MJA2250BH
- hard drive
- 250 GB
- SATA-300
Type Hard drive
- internal
Form Factor 2.5" x 1/8H
Dimensions (WxDxH) 2.8 in x 3.9 in x 0.4 in
Weight 3.6 oz
Capacity 250 GB
Interface Type Serial ATA-300
Average Seek Time 12 ms
Spindle Speed 5400 rpm
Buffer Size 8 MB
Microsoft Certification Compatible with Windows 7
Manufacturer Warranty 3 years warranty
 
A

Andy

Drive C: has two partitions with XP on the primary partition.



Can I install another O.S. oPOn the second without affecting the primary partition.



Thanks,

Andy

I have my system going fine now.

I copied most of my c: drive to the 2nd partition(D:)

I was able to do that using Linux Puppy on a pen drive.

Then I reinstalled XP onto c:.

I also have been making disk images and storing them on d:

C: drive is 156 Gb capacity with 32 Gb in use.
D: is 57 Gb capacity.

I would like to put Linux Mint on D: but a little wary on that idea.
I don't feel like it's worth the risk.
 
J

John Smith

Andy said:
I have my system going fine now.

That good..
I copied most of my c: drive to the 2nd partition(D:)
I was able to do that using Linux Puppy on a pen drive.


Then I reinstalled XP onto c:.

I also have been making disk images and storing them on d:

C: drive is 156 Gb capacity with 32 Gb in use.
D: is 57 Gb capacity.

C 156 Gb was your old OS
D 57 Gb was your old Computer_RECOVERY
that 213 out of 250.. you have 32Gb more
to add to 57 = 93gb

What kind of computer you have,
and Type it is?

Like HP_510a or a Dell 9000 Desktop...
I would like to put Linux Mint on D: but a little wary on that idea.
I don't feel like it's worth the risk.

And it will Format D: and all your work will be lost...


Go to XP
Start >
Settings >
Control Panel >

in Control Panel
on the life side,
Click
Switch to Classic View
Click
Administrative Tools
Click
Computer Management
Click
Disk Management

look for that lost 32Gb
make it a E: and put Linux Mint on E:

Then C and D will be ok..
 

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