Can I get rid of InCD?


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Dudley Henriques

Question;
I have two CDRW's that were formatted in InCD and used to store data
files./ Assuming I want to get rid of InCD for good and begin using the
built in XP CD program to transfer and store my data files to a CD, can
I transfer what's on the InCD formatted CDRW's to my desktop in a
folder, then uninstall InCD completely from the computer in add remove
programs, then, using XP's built in program, insert a new blank CDRW
into the drive and put my data on the new disk?
Thanks much.
Dudley
 
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Kenny S

InCD is superior since its packet writing leting you use the cdrom (RW) as a
floppy or hard drive.
 
D

Dudley Henriques

This is what I don't understand Kenny. If all I want to do is store data
and transfer folders back and forth without adding or subtracting from
them, what does packet writing do for me that the XP program can't do?
I'm really in the dark about this answer and could really use a simple
explanation if you will be kind enough to throw one my way :)
The only thing I store on my CD's are data files that don't need to be
changed or altered, written material I've downloaded from the net, a web
page or two, and some programs that are executable files that I can use
to reinstall something in case I have a problem.
Won't the XP burning program do this for me without packet writing?
Thanks
Dudley
 
K

Kevin

Packet writing enables you to use the CD as a 700 MB floppy disk that you
can add or delete files on as often as you wish. You can't do that with the
Windows XP burning software. You can only write files to the disk. You
can't then rewrite more files next week and still more next month then erase
some of them next year and write more and so on and so on. If you only wish
to write files to a disk the XP software will work for you.

I use InCD and I love it. I also keep total updates on disks in ISO format,
finalizing the disk after writing to it and storing it for future recovery
using Nero.
 
M

Michael Stevens

Dudley said:
Question;
I have two CDRW's that were formatted in InCD and used to store data
files./ Assuming I want to get rid of InCD for good and begin using
the built in XP CD program to transfer and store my data files to a
CD, can I transfer what's on the InCD formatted CDRW's to my desktop
in a folder, then uninstall InCD completely from the computer in add
remove programs, then, using XP's built in program, insert a new
blank CDRW into the drive and put my data on the new disk?
Thanks much.
Dudley

You can use both and Nero too. No need to uninstall InCD. Right click on the
file and select Send To, then select what you want to use to burn the file.
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Harry Ohrn

Yes. You can copy the files to your Hard Drive. Uninstall InCD, insert new
CD-R/W and copy the files to then using XP's built in software. Just check
to ensure you have enabled XP recording software through the Properties Tab
for your CD burners after you've uninstalled InCD as I believe it disables
XP's software when it is installed.
 
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Dudley Henriques

Thank you Harry, and everyone else who posted advice. I've been having
trouble using blank CDRW's. For example, I wanted to transfer some data
on a CDRW and give it to someone else. I realized that if I burned it on
an InCD formatted disk, my recipient wouldn't be able to open the data
without having InCD on his system, so I tried to take a brand new CDRW
and put the data on that with XP. As soon as the drive door closed, I
got a "drive not accessible; incorrect function".
I just discovered something tonight. On my recording tab for my D drive
properties, I have had the allow CD burning on this drive unchecked
because Nero advised that to prevent conflicts with InCD. I've always
been using the InCD for my data backups.
I assumed about an hour ago that the reason I was getting the not
accessible intercept with a blank CDRW insertion was that the blank
wasn't formatted in InCD, and XP wasn't picking it up because the box
was unchecked.
I went in and checked the box and reinserted the unformatted disk again.
It worked perfectly this time. I transferred my data using XP instead of
InCD.
Some simple followup questions; all the files are read only and I assume
can't be changed on the CD using XP as the transfer program.BUT>>>>>
Is there a procedure where I can either use explorer or transfer a file
back to the desktop and uncheck the read only box, make a change to the
file, then put it back changed again on the XP CD? And can I store a
program that is an executable on the XP CD and execute it if I need to
reinstall that program for some reason? Most of all, will there be
conflicts if I leave the recording box checked for XP burning and have
InCD installed at the same time?
Thanks you very much for your help. I really appreciate you folks!!!
Dudley

Harry Ohrn said:
Yes. You can copy the files to your Hard Drive. Uninstall InCD, insert
new CD-R/W and copy the files to then using XP's built in software.
Just check to ensure you have enabled XP recording software through
the Properties Tab for your CD burners after you've uninstalled InCD
as I believe it disables XP's software when it is installed.
--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Dudley Henriques said:
Question;
I have two CDRW's that were formatted in InCD and used to store data
files./ Assuming I want to get rid of InCD for good and begin using
the built in XP CD program to transfer and store my data files to a
CD, can I transfer what's on the InCD formatted CDRW's to my desktop
in a folder, then uninstall InCD completely from the computer in add
remove programs, then, using XP's built in program, insert a new
blank CDRW into the drive and put my data on the new disk?
Thanks much.
Dudley
 
H

Harry Ohrn

Hi. I believe the answer to your questions is "yes" for each one.

You are correct in that a file burned to CD has the Read only attribute set
but when you copy the file back to the hard drive the file is no longer read
only. You can modify it as you wish then burn it back. If you were still
using InCD the file would actually replace the older version however with
XPs native software a multi-session burn will take place. The old file will
still be there but it will be hidden and won't be accessible (without
special software). So don't worry about having to change the files
properties as XP will handle that for you. Other version of Windows though
will require you to right click the file once it is copies to the hard
drive. From there you select Properties and uncheck the Read only box.

Yes you can store and executable on a CD and run it from there.

Yes there could well be conflicts between InCD and XP's built in software.
Having said that though you will find that there are people who do not
report any conflicts and others do. To be on the safe side Nero recommends
disabling XP if you use InCD or Nero for that matter.

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Dudley Henriques said:
Thank you Harry, and everyone else who posted advice. I've been having
trouble using blank CDRW's. For example, I wanted to transfer some data on
a CDRW and give it to someone else. I realized that if I burned it on an
InCD formatted disk, my recipient wouldn't be able to open the data
without having InCD on his system, so I tried to take a brand new CDRW and
put the data on that with XP. As soon as the drive door closed, I got a
"drive not accessible; incorrect function".
I just discovered something tonight. On my recording tab for my D drive
properties, I have had the allow CD burning on this drive unchecked
because Nero advised that to prevent conflicts with InCD. I've always been
using the InCD for my data backups.
I assumed about an hour ago that the reason I was getting the not
accessible intercept with a blank CDRW insertion was that the blank wasn't
formatted in InCD, and XP wasn't picking it up because the box was
unchecked.
I went in and checked the box and reinserted the unformatted disk again.
It worked perfectly this time. I transferred my data using XP instead of
InCD.
Some simple followup questions; all the files are read only and I assume
can't be changed on the CD using XP as the transfer program.BUT>>>>>
Is there a procedure where I can either use explorer or transfer a file
back to the desktop and uncheck the read only box, make a change to the
file, then put it back changed again on the XP CD? And can I store a
program that is an executable on the XP CD and execute it if I need to
reinstall that program for some reason? Most of all, will there be
conflicts if I leave the recording box checked for XP burning and have
InCD installed at the same time?
Thanks you very much for your help. I really appreciate you folks!!!
Dudley

Harry Ohrn said:
Yes. You can copy the files to your Hard Drive. Uninstall InCD, insert
new CD-R/W and copy the files to then using XP's built in software. Just
check to ensure you have enabled XP recording software through the
Properties Tab for your CD burners after you've uninstalled InCD as I
believe it disables XP's software when it is installed.
--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Dudley Henriques said:
Question;
I have two CDRW's that were formatted in InCD and used to store data
files./ Assuming I want to get rid of InCD for good and begin using the
built in XP CD program to transfer and store my data files to a CD, can
I transfer what's on the InCD formatted CDRW's to my desktop in a
folder, then uninstall InCD completely from the computer in add remove
programs, then, using XP's built in program, insert a new blank CDRW
into the drive and put my data on the new disk?
Thanks much.
Dudley
 
D

Dudley Henriques

Thanks Harry for taking the time. I think I understand it a lot better
now.
If I decide to get rid of InCD, which I'm leaning hard on doing, I only
have one additional question...and it's a cliff hanger for me :))
I have all my backed up data on 2 CDRW's that were formatted in InCD and
have been used exclusively in InCD back and forth for some time now. If
I decide to go to the XP program, can I transfer all that data from the
two CDRW's back into a folder on my desktop....then uninstall InCD from
add remove programs....then enable the box in the recording tab for
XP....THEN be able to transfer all this data onto fresh unformatted
CDRW's using the XP burn program without issues??? This is extremely
important for me to know before I actually attempt this.
Thanks
Dudley


Harry Ohrn said:
Hi. I believe the answer to your questions is "yes" for each one.

You are correct in that a file burned to CD has the Read only
attribute set but when you copy the file back to the hard drive the
file is no longer read only. You can modify it as you wish then burn
it back. If you were still using InCD the file would actually replace
the older version however with XPs native software a multi-session
burn will take place. The old file will still be there but it will be
hidden and won't be accessible (without special software). So don't
worry about having to change the files properties as XP will handle
that for you. Other version of Windows though will require you to
right click the file once it is copies to the hard drive. From there
you select Properties and uncheck the Read only box.

Yes you can store and executable on a CD and run it from there.

Yes there could well be conflicts between InCD and XP's built in
software. Having said that though you will find that there are people
who do not report any conflicts and others do. To be on the safe side
Nero recommends disabling XP if you use InCD or Nero for that matter.

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Dudley Henriques said:
Thank you Harry, and everyone else who posted advice. I've been
having trouble using blank CDRW's. For example, I wanted to transfer
some data on a CDRW and give it to someone else. I realized that if I
burned it on an InCD formatted disk, my recipient wouldn't be able to
open the data without having InCD on his system, so I tried to take a
brand new CDRW and put the data on that with XP. As soon as the drive
door closed, I got a "drive not accessible; incorrect function".
I just discovered something tonight. On my recording tab for my D
drive properties, I have had the allow CD burning on this drive
unchecked because Nero advised that to prevent conflicts with InCD.
I've always been using the InCD for my data backups.
I assumed about an hour ago that the reason I was getting the not
accessible intercept with a blank CDRW insertion was that the blank
wasn't formatted in InCD, and XP wasn't picking it up because the box
was unchecked.
I went in and checked the box and reinserted the unformatted disk
again. It worked perfectly this time. I transferred my data using XP
instead of InCD.
Some simple followup questions; all the files are read only and I
assume can't be changed on the CD using XP as the transfer
program.BUT>>>>>
Is there a procedure where I can either use explorer or transfer a
file back to the desktop and uncheck the read only box, make a change
to the file, then put it back changed again on the XP CD? And can I
store a program that is an executable on the XP CD and execute it if
I need to reinstall that program for some reason? Most of all, will
there be conflicts if I leave the recording box checked for XP
burning and have InCD installed at the same time?
Thanks you very much for your help. I really appreciate you folks!!!
Dudley

Harry Ohrn said:
Yes. You can copy the files to your Hard Drive. Uninstall InCD,
insert new CD-R/W and copy the files to then using XP's built in
software. Just check to ensure you have enabled XP recording
software through the Properties Tab for your CD burners after you've
uninstalled InCD as I believe it disables XP's software when it is
installed.
--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Question;
I have two CDRW's that were formatted in InCD and used to store
data files./ Assuming I want to get rid of InCD for good and begin
using the built in XP CD program to transfer and store my data
files to a CD, can I transfer what's on the InCD formatted CDRW's
to my desktop in a folder, then uninstall InCD completely from the
computer in add remove programs, then, using XP's built in program,
insert a new blank CDRW into the drive and put my data on the new
disk?
Thanks much.
Dudley
 
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Harry Ohrn

Dudley the answer is Yes. I understand your are concerned about the safety
of your data but why are you worried that you won't be able to save the
files from your hard drive to another disc? Once you copy the files off the
InCD formatted CD-R/Ws to your hard drive you can then copy them to another
disc using XP's burning engine or any other third party CD writing software.
The files will be on your hard drive to do with as you will. Are you afraid
that some how these files have been changed by InCD in some way and will not
longer be accessible to you? If so don't be alarmed. All InCD does is
preformat your CD-R/W media. It does not alter your files.

Your concern about the safety of your data is one good reason to dump InCD.
Packet formatted disc are notorious for becoming corrupted.

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Dudley Henriques said:
Thanks Harry for taking the time. I think I understand it a lot better
now.
If I decide to get rid of InCD, which I'm leaning hard on doing, I only
have one additional question...and it's a cliff hanger for me :))
I have all my backed up data on 2 CDRW's that were formatted in InCD and
have been used exclusively in InCD back and forth for some time now. If I
decide to go to the XP program, can I transfer all that data from the two
CDRW's back into a folder on my desktop....then uninstall InCD from add
remove programs....then enable the box in the recording tab for XP....THEN
be able to transfer all this data onto fresh unformatted CDRW's using the
XP burn program without issues??? This is extremely important for me to
know before I actually attempt this.
Thanks
Dudley


Harry Ohrn said:
Hi. I believe the answer to your questions is "yes" for each one.

You are correct in that a file burned to CD has the Read only attribute
set but when you copy the file back to the hard drive the file is no
longer read only. You can modify it as you wish then burn it back. If you
were still using InCD the file would actually replace the older version
however with XPs native software a multi-session burn will take place.
The old file will still be there but it will be hidden and won't be
accessible (without special software). So don't worry about having to
change the files properties as XP will handle that for you. Other version
of Windows though will require you to right click the file once it is
copies to the hard drive. From there you select Properties and uncheck
the Read only box.

Yes you can store and executable on a CD and run it from there.

Yes there could well be conflicts between InCD and XP's built in
software. Having said that though you will find that there are people who
do not report any conflicts and others do. To be on the safe side Nero
recommends disabling XP if you use InCD or Nero for that matter.

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Dudley Henriques said:
Thank you Harry, and everyone else who posted advice. I've been having
trouble using blank CDRW's. For example, I wanted to transfer some data
on a CDRW and give it to someone else. I realized that if I burned it on
an InCD formatted disk, my recipient wouldn't be able to open the data
without having InCD on his system, so I tried to take a brand new CDRW
and put the data on that with XP. As soon as the drive door closed, I
got a "drive not accessible; incorrect function".
I just discovered something tonight. On my recording tab for my D drive
properties, I have had the allow CD burning on this drive unchecked
because Nero advised that to prevent conflicts with InCD. I've always
been using the InCD for my data backups.
I assumed about an hour ago that the reason I was getting the not
accessible intercept with a blank CDRW insertion was that the blank
wasn't formatted in InCD, and XP wasn't picking it up because the box
was unchecked.
I went in and checked the box and reinserted the unformatted disk again.
It worked perfectly this time. I transferred my data using XP instead of
InCD.
Some simple followup questions; all the files are read only and I assume
can't be changed on the CD using XP as the transfer program.BUT>>>>>
Is there a procedure where I can either use explorer or transfer a file
back to the desktop and uncheck the read only box, make a change to the
file, then put it back changed again on the XP CD? And can I store a
program that is an executable on the XP CD and execute it if I need to
reinstall that program for some reason? Most of all, will there be
conflicts if I leave the recording box checked for XP burning and have
InCD installed at the same time?
Thanks you very much for your help. I really appreciate you folks!!!
Dudley

Yes. You can copy the files to your Hard Drive. Uninstall InCD, insert
new CD-R/W and copy the files to then using XP's built in software.
Just check to ensure you have enabled XP recording software through the
Properties Tab for your CD burners after you've uninstalled InCD as I
believe it disables XP's software when it is installed.
--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Question;
I have two CDRW's that were formatted in InCD and used to store data
files./ Assuming I want to get rid of InCD for good and begin using
the built in XP CD program to transfer and store my data files to a
CD, can I transfer what's on the InCD formatted CDRW's to my desktop
in a folder, then uninstall InCD completely from the computer in add
remove programs, then, using XP's built in program, insert a new blank
CDRW into the drive and put my data on the new disk?
Thanks much.
Dudley
 
D

Dudley Henriques

Thanks Harry. That was EXACTLY my concern. I really don't know much
about what actually happens during the InCD format, and was worried that
the data itself might have been somehow made proprietary to InCD and
that once I uninstalled, the data might be damaged or lost.
What you have taught me tonight was much needed and greatly appreciated.
I think I have a much better handle on it at this point. I still don't
know much about the internals, but that's not necessary really for my
basic level of use.
Thanks again for everything, and a great holiday to you and everybody
else on the group as well.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/CFI Retired
for email; take out the trash

Harry Ohrn said:
Dudley the answer is Yes. I understand your are concerned about the
safety of your data but why are you worried that you won't be able to
save the files from your hard drive to another disc? Once you copy the
files off the InCD formatted CD-R/Ws to your hard drive you can then
copy them to another disc using XP's burning engine or any other third
party CD writing software. The files will be on your hard drive to do
with as you will. Are you afraid that some how these files have been
changed by InCD in some way and will not longer be accessible to you?
If so don't be alarmed. All InCD does is preformat your CD-R/W media.
It does not alter your files.

Your concern about the safety of your data is one good reason to dump
InCD. Packet formatted disc are notorious for becoming corrupted.

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Dudley Henriques said:
Thanks Harry for taking the time. I think I understand it a lot
better now.
If I decide to get rid of InCD, which I'm leaning hard on doing, I
only have one additional question...and it's a cliff hanger for me
:))
I have all my backed up data on 2 CDRW's that were formatted in InCD
and have been used exclusively in InCD back and forth for some time
now. If I decide to go to the XP program, can I transfer all that
data from the two CDRW's back into a folder on my desktop....then
uninstall InCD from add remove programs....then enable the box in the
recording tab for XP....THEN be able to transfer all this data onto
fresh unformatted CDRW's using the XP burn program without issues???
This is extremely important for me to know before I actually attempt
this.
Thanks
Dudley


Harry Ohrn said:
Hi. I believe the answer to your questions is "yes" for each one.

You are correct in that a file burned to CD has the Read only
attribute set but when you copy the file back to the hard drive the
file is no longer read only. You can modify it as you wish then burn
it back. If you were still using InCD the file would actually
replace the older version however with XPs native software a
multi-session burn will take place. The old file will still be there
but it will be hidden and won't be accessible (without special
software). So don't worry about having to change the files
properties as XP will handle that for you. Other version of Windows
though will require you to right click the file once it is copies to
the hard drive. From there you select Properties and uncheck the
Read only box.

Yes you can store and executable on a CD and run it from there.

Yes there could well be conflicts between InCD and XP's built in
software. Having said that though you will find that there are
people who do not report any conflicts and others do. To be on the
safe side Nero recommends disabling XP if you use InCD or Nero for
that matter.

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Thank you Harry, and everyone else who posted advice. I've been
having trouble using blank CDRW's. For example, I wanted to
transfer some data on a CDRW and give it to someone else. I
realized that if I burned it on an InCD formatted disk, my
recipient wouldn't be able to open the data without having InCD on
his system, so I tried to take a brand new CDRW and put the data on
that with XP. As soon as the drive door closed, I got a "drive not
accessible; incorrect function".
I just discovered something tonight. On my recording tab for my D
drive properties, I have had the allow CD burning on this drive
unchecked because Nero advised that to prevent conflicts with InCD.
I've always been using the InCD for my data backups.
I assumed about an hour ago that the reason I was getting the not
accessible intercept with a blank CDRW insertion was that the blank
wasn't formatted in InCD, and XP wasn't picking it up because the
box was unchecked.
I went in and checked the box and reinserted the unformatted disk
again. It worked perfectly this time. I transferred my data using
XP instead of InCD.
Some simple followup questions; all the files are read only and I
assume can't be changed on the CD using XP as the transfer
program.BUT>>>>>
Is there a procedure where I can either use explorer or transfer a
file back to the desktop and uncheck the read only box, make a
change to the file, then put it back changed again on the XP CD?
And can I store a program that is an executable on the XP CD and
execute it if I need to reinstall that program for some reason?
Most of all, will there be conflicts if I leave the recording box
checked for XP burning and have InCD installed at the same time?
Thanks you very much for your help. I really appreciate you
folks!!!
Dudley

Yes. You can copy the files to your Hard Drive. Uninstall InCD,
insert new CD-R/W and copy the files to then using XP's built in
software. Just check to ensure you have enabled XP recording
software through the Properties Tab for your CD burners after
you've uninstalled InCD as I believe it disables XP's software
when it is installed.
--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


message Question;
I have two CDRW's that were formatted in InCD and used to store
data files./ Assuming I want to get rid of InCD for good and
begin using the built in XP CD program to transfer and store my
data files to a CD, can I transfer what's on the InCD formatted
CDRW's to my desktop in a folder, then uninstall InCD completely
from the computer in add remove programs, then, using XP's built
in program, insert a new blank CDRW into the drive and put my
data on the new disk?
Thanks much.
Dudley
 
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_Vanguard_

Kevin said:
Packet writing enables you to use the CD as a 700 MB floppy disk that
you
can add or delete files on as often as you wish. You can't do that
with the
Windows XP burning software. You can only write files to the disk.
You
can't then rewrite more files next week and still more next month then
erase
some of them next year and write more and so on and so on. If you
only wish
to write files to a disk the XP software will work for you.

I use InCD and I love it. I also keep total updates on disks in ISO
format,
finalizing the disk after writing to it and storing it for future
recovery
using Nero.

Okay, now I'm confused. Deleting files from a CD-RW doesn't actually
delete the file. I thought it generated another session with an updated
table of contents which omitted the file so you couldn't access it
anymore. Not being able to access the file doesn't mean it isn't there.
Not until you choose to erase the rewritable media do you lose all the
sessions and start with a blank media again. You might have 700MB of
files on the CD-RW, delete 100MB, but then you won't be able to add
another 100MB because the omitted 100MB never really got physically
deleted (it's hidden, not deleted). Eventually you fill up the CD-RW.
Although you only have, say, 100MB of accessible files that you see on
the CD-RW disc, there is another 600MB of hidden deleted files so the
total capacity has been used up. You'll then have to erase the CD-RW
using the procedure described in Windows XP's own help, which is:

To erase files from a CD
1. Open My Computer.
2. Double-click the CD recording drive. Windows displays the files and
folders located on the CD.
3. Under CD Writing Tasks, click Erase this CD-RW. Windows displays the
CD Writing Wizard.
4. Follow the instructions in the wizard to delete the files on the
CD-RW.

Windows XP's built-in CD burning (IMAPI; see http://snipurl.com/imapi)
does not generate UDF. Using UDF packet writing with InCD's or
DirectCD's may mean that the UDF-written CD-RW disc may not be readable
on the some older computers. I haven't kept track of InCD and DirectCD
to see if they merged onto the same UDF standard so that any computer
running a UDF reader could read the discs. You can get a free UDF
reader from Roxio (http://snipurl.com/5js7; well, it used to be free but
they got greedy - you can get the old Adaptec version at
http://snipurl.com/9lax) and from Nero
(http://www.nero.com/us/27603.html) could read your UDF-written disc;
however, Windows XP already has a built-in UDF reader
(http://snipurl.com/ms_udf) so you only need a UDF reader on older
versions of Windows to read UDF-formatted CDs. Since Windows XP has its
own UDF reader driver, you might try moving the files off the
UDF-formatted CD-RW (as a safety measure), uninstall InCD, and then see
if Windows XP can still read the UDF-formatted CDs.

I've never found Nero's InCD or Roxio's DirectCD to be stable, and this
was tested on prior versions of Windows on several hosts which didn't
include a UDF reader/writer (so it wasn't a conflict between two
installable file systems). They create too many blue screens for my
taste. They run as installable file systems (just like CDFS loads to
support CD-ROM drives); i.e., InCD, DirectCD, and Windows XP UDFS
(read-only) install as a file system during the load of Windows. That's
why you have to reboot when installing or uninstalling them.

See also http://support.microsoft.com/?id=321640.
 
J

johnf

Do what I do with Nero -

Copy all files already burned to CD using InCD to a folder somewhere on your
PC & throw out the original CDs after checking that you have correctly
copied everything, then pretend InCD doesn't exist on your PC.

Just use the normal Nero Burning ROM software to copy everything to new
blank CDs, using the Multisession option. If it's a CD you wish to add to
later, MAKE SURE you save the ISO (& note what it's called - e.g. CD4a) when
prompted.

Next time you want to add to that particular CD, select the 'ISO' tab, open
the particular ISO you saved, in this case - CD4a [which contains the info
on what already exists on that CD] and 'Continue Multisession'.

Once the CD is full, just select 'Close Session' & finalise the CD.


--

johnf
Thanks Harry. That was EXACTLY my concern. I really don't know much
about what actually happens during the InCD format, and was worried that
the data itself might have been somehow made proprietary to InCD and
that once I uninstalled, the data might be damaged or lost.
What you have taught me tonight was much needed and greatly appreciated.
I think I have a much better handle on it at this point. I still don't
know much about the internals, but that's not necessary really for my
basic level of use.
Thanks again for everything, and a great holiday to you and everybody
else on the group as well.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/CFI Retired
for email; take out the trash

Harry Ohrn said:
Dudley the answer is Yes. I understand your are concerned about the
safety of your data but why are you worried that you won't be able to
save the files from your hard drive to another disc? Once you copy the
files off the InCD formatted CD-R/Ws to your hard drive you can then
copy them to another disc using XP's burning engine or any other third
party CD writing software. The files will be on your hard drive to do
with as you will. Are you afraid that some how these files have been
changed by InCD in some way and will not longer be accessible to you?
If so don't be alarmed. All InCD does is preformat your CD-R/W media.
It does not alter your files.

Your concern about the safety of your data is one good reason to dump
InCD. Packet formatted disc are notorious for becoming corrupted.

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Dudley Henriques said:
Thanks Harry for taking the time. I think I understand it a lot
better now.
If I decide to get rid of InCD, which I'm leaning hard on doing, I
only have one additional question...and it's a cliff hanger for me
:))
I have all my backed up data on 2 CDRW's that were formatted in InCD
and have been used exclusively in InCD back and forth for some time
now. If I decide to go to the XP program, can I transfer all that
data from the two CDRW's back into a folder on my desktop....then
uninstall InCD from add remove programs....then enable the box in the
recording tab for XP....THEN be able to transfer all this data onto
fresh unformatted CDRW's using the XP burn program without issues???
This is extremely important for me to know before I actually attempt
this.
Thanks
Dudley


Hi. I believe the answer to your questions is "yes" for each one.

You are correct in that a file burned to CD has the Read only
attribute set but when you copy the file back to the hard drive the
file is no longer read only. You can modify it as you wish then burn
it back. If you were still using InCD the file would actually
replace the older version however with XPs native software a
multi-session burn will take place. The old file will still be there
but it will be hidden and won't be accessible (without special
software). So don't worry about having to change the files
properties as XP will handle that for you. Other version of Windows
though will require you to right click the file once it is copies to
the hard drive. From there you select Properties and uncheck the
Read only box.

Yes you can store and executable on a CD and run it from there.

Yes there could well be conflicts between InCD and XP's built in
software. Having said that though you will find that there are
people who do not report any conflicts and others do. To be on the
safe side Nero recommends disabling XP if you use InCD or Nero for
that matter.

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Thank you Harry, and everyone else who posted advice. I've been
having trouble using blank CDRW's. For example, I wanted to
transfer some data on a CDRW and give it to someone else. I
realized that if I burned it on an InCD formatted disk, my
recipient wouldn't be able to open the data without having InCD on
his system, so I tried to take a brand new CDRW and put the data on
that with XP. As soon as the drive door closed, I got a "drive not
accessible; incorrect function".
I just discovered something tonight. On my recording tab for my D
drive properties, I have had the allow CD burning on this drive
unchecked because Nero advised that to prevent conflicts with InCD.
I've always been using the InCD for my data backups.
I assumed about an hour ago that the reason I was getting the not
accessible intercept with a blank CDRW insertion was that the blank
wasn't formatted in InCD, and XP wasn't picking it up because the
box was unchecked.
I went in and checked the box and reinserted the unformatted disk
again. It worked perfectly this time. I transferred my data using
XP instead of InCD.
Some simple followup questions; all the files are read only and I
assume can't be changed on the CD using XP as the transfer
program.BUT>>>>>
Is there a procedure where I can either use explorer or transfer a
file back to the desktop and uncheck the read only box, make a
change to the file, then put it back changed again on the XP CD?
And can I store a program that is an executable on the XP CD and
execute it if I need to reinstall that program for some reason?
Most of all, will there be conflicts if I leave the recording box
checked for XP burning and have InCD installed at the same time?
Thanks you very much for your help. I really appreciate you
folks!!!
Dudley

Yes. You can copy the files to your Hard Drive. Uninstall InCD,
insert new CD-R/W and copy the files to then using XP's built in
software. Just check to ensure you have enabled XP recording
software through the Properties Tab for your CD burners after
you've uninstalled InCD as I believe it disables XP's software
when it is installed.
--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


message Question;
I have two CDRW's that were formatted in InCD and used to store
data files./ Assuming I want to get rid of InCD for good and
begin using the built in XP CD program to transfer and store my
data files to a CD, can I transfer what's on the InCD formatted
CDRW's to my desktop in a folder, then uninstall InCD completely
from the computer in add remove programs, then, using XP's built
in program, insert a new blank CDRW into the drive and put my
data on the new disk?
Thanks much.
Dudley
 
H

Harry Ohrn

Dudley if you have the time and are so inclined you may wish to look through
this FAQ by Mike Richter. It discusses the UDF format used by programs like
InCD
http://www.mrichter.com/cdr/primer/udf.htm

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Dudley Henriques said:
Thanks Harry. That was EXACTLY my concern. I really don't know much about
what actually happens during the InCD format, and was worried that the
data itself might have been somehow made proprietary to InCD and that once
I uninstalled, the data might be damaged or lost.
What you have taught me tonight was much needed and greatly appreciated. I
think I have a much better handle on it at this point. I still don't know
much about the internals, but that's not necessary really for my basic
level of use.
Thanks again for everything, and a great holiday to you and everybody else
on the group as well.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/CFI Retired
for email; take out the trash

Harry Ohrn said:
Dudley the answer is Yes. I understand your are concerned about the
safety of your data but why are you worried that you won't be able to
save the files from your hard drive to another disc? Once you copy the
files off the InCD formatted CD-R/Ws to your hard drive you can then copy
them to another disc using XP's burning engine or any other third party
CD writing software. The files will be on your hard drive to do with as
you will. Are you afraid that some how these files have been changed by
InCD in some way and will not longer be accessible to you? If so don't be
alarmed. All InCD does is preformat your CD-R/W media. It does not alter
your files.

Your concern about the safety of your data is one good reason to dump
InCD. Packet formatted disc are notorious for becoming corrupted.

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Dudley Henriques said:
Thanks Harry for taking the time. I think I understand it a lot better
now.
If I decide to get rid of InCD, which I'm leaning hard on doing, I only
have one additional question...and it's a cliff hanger for me :))
I have all my backed up data on 2 CDRW's that were formatted in InCD and
have been used exclusively in InCD back and forth for some time now. If
I decide to go to the XP program, can I transfer all that data from the
two CDRW's back into a folder on my desktop....then uninstall InCD from
add remove programs....then enable the box in the recording tab for
XP....THEN be able to transfer all this data onto fresh unformatted
CDRW's using the XP burn program without issues??? This is extremely
important for me to know before I actually attempt this.
Thanks
Dudley


Hi. I believe the answer to your questions is "yes" for each one.

You are correct in that a file burned to CD has the Read only attribute
set but when you copy the file back to the hard drive the file is no
longer read only. You can modify it as you wish then burn it back. If
you were still using InCD the file would actually replace the older
version however with XPs native software a multi-session burn will take
place. The old file will still be there but it will be hidden and won't
be accessible (without special software). So don't worry about having
to change the files properties as XP will handle that for you. Other
version of Windows though will require you to right click the file
once it is copies to the hard drive. From there you select Properties
and uncheck the Read only box.

Yes you can store and executable on a CD and run it from there.

Yes there could well be conflicts between InCD and XP's built in
software. Having said that though you will find that there are people
who do not report any conflicts and others do. To be on the safe side
Nero recommends disabling XP if you use InCD or Nero for that matter.

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Thank you Harry, and everyone else who posted advice. I've been having
trouble using blank CDRW's. For example, I wanted to transfer some
data on a CDRW and give it to someone else. I realized that if I
burned it on an InCD formatted disk, my recipient wouldn't be able to
open the data without having InCD on his system, so I tried to take a
brand new CDRW and put the data on that with XP. As soon as the drive
door closed, I got a "drive not accessible; incorrect function".
I just discovered something tonight. On my recording tab for my D
drive properties, I have had the allow CD burning on this drive
unchecked because Nero advised that to prevent conflicts with InCD.
I've always been using the InCD for my data backups.
I assumed about an hour ago that the reason I was getting the not
accessible intercept with a blank CDRW insertion was that the blank
wasn't formatted in InCD, and XP wasn't picking it up because the box
was unchecked.
I went in and checked the box and reinserted the unformatted disk
again. It worked perfectly this time. I transferred my data using XP
instead of InCD.
Some simple followup questions; all the files are read only and I
assume can't be changed on the CD using XP as the transfer
program.BUT>>>>>
Is there a procedure where I can either use explorer or transfer a
file back to the desktop and uncheck the read only box, make a change
to the file, then put it back changed again on the XP CD? And can I
store a program that is an executable on the XP CD and execute it if I
need to reinstall that program for some reason? Most of all, will
there be conflicts if I leave the recording box checked for XP burning
and have InCD installed at the same time?
Thanks you very much for your help. I really appreciate you folks!!!
Dudley

Yes. You can copy the files to your Hard Drive. Uninstall InCD,
insert new CD-R/W and copy the files to then using XP's built in
software. Just check to ensure you have enabled XP recording software
through the Properties Tab for your CD burners after you've
uninstalled InCD as I believe it disables XP's software when it is
installed.
--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Question;
I have two CDRW's that were formatted in InCD and used to store data
files./ Assuming I want to get rid of InCD for good and begin using
the built in XP CD program to transfer and store my data files to a
CD, can I transfer what's on the InCD formatted CDRW's to my desktop
in a folder, then uninstall InCD completely from the computer in add
remove programs, then, using XP's built in program, insert a new
blank CDRW into the drive and put my data on the new disk?
Thanks much.
Dudley
 
M

Michael Solomon \(MS-MVP\)

To clarify just a bit, packet writing allows you to drag and drop and save
from an application directly to the CD-R-RW or DVD-R-RW. The built-in XP CD
Writing function requires the files first by written to a temp folder and
copied to the CD. I'm not even sure if you can multisession and do multiple
individual saves using the XP writing capability.

Essentially, the difference is, XP's function works similar to the creation
of an audio CD, even if it can do separate writes in multiple sessions.
Second, you cannot selectively delete one file at a time from the CD. The
entire CD must be erased. Under packet writing, you can add one file at a
time and you can delete one file at a time.
 
K

Kenny S

You are incorrect. You are talking about CD-R and not CD-RW
With CD-RW you can erase files from the disk and space will be freed.
 
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Thomas Wendell

WinXp treats CD-RWs as CD-Rs . It doesn't natively know about RW, that's
what InCD is for..


--
Tumppi
Reply to group
=================================================
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Helsinki, Finland (remove _NOSPAM)
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=================================================



Dudley Henriques said:
Thanks Harry. That was EXACTLY my concern. I really don't know much
about what actually happens during the InCD format, and was worried that
the data itself might have been somehow made proprietary to InCD and
that once I uninstalled, the data might be damaged or lost.
What you have taught me tonight was much needed and greatly appreciated.
I think I have a much better handle on it at this point. I still don't
know much about the internals, but that's not necessary really for my
basic level of use.
Thanks again for everything, and a great holiday to you and everybody
else on the group as well.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/CFI Retired
for email; take out the trash

Harry Ohrn said:
Dudley the answer is Yes. I understand your are concerned about the
safety of your data but why are you worried that you won't be able to
save the files from your hard drive to another disc? Once you copy the
files off the InCD formatted CD-R/Ws to your hard drive you can then
copy them to another disc using XP's burning engine or any other third
party CD writing software. The files will be on your hard drive to do
with as you will. Are you afraid that some how these files have been
changed by InCD in some way and will not longer be accessible to you?
If so don't be alarmed. All InCD does is preformat your CD-R/W media.
It does not alter your files.

Your concern about the safety of your data is one good reason to dump
InCD. Packet formatted disc are notorious for becoming corrupted.

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Dudley Henriques said:
Thanks Harry for taking the time. I think I understand it a lot
better now.
If I decide to get rid of InCD, which I'm leaning hard on doing, I
only have one additional question...and it's a cliff hanger for me
:))
I have all my backed up data on 2 CDRW's that were formatted in InCD
and have been used exclusively in InCD back and forth for some time
now. If I decide to go to the XP program, can I transfer all that
data from the two CDRW's back into a folder on my desktop....then
uninstall InCD from add remove programs....then enable the box in the
recording tab for XP....THEN be able to transfer all this data onto
fresh unformatted CDRW's using the XP burn program without issues???
This is extremely important for me to know before I actually attempt
this.
Thanks
Dudley


Hi. I believe the answer to your questions is "yes" for each one.

You are correct in that a file burned to CD has the Read only
attribute set but when you copy the file back to the hard drive the
file is no longer read only. You can modify it as you wish then burn
it back. If you were still using InCD the file would actually
replace the older version however with XPs native software a
multi-session burn will take place. The old file will still be there
but it will be hidden and won't be accessible (without special
software). So don't worry about having to change the files
properties as XP will handle that for you. Other version of Windows
though will require you to right click the file once it is copies to
the hard drive. From there you select Properties and uncheck the
Read only box.

Yes you can store and executable on a CD and run it from there.

Yes there could well be conflicts between InCD and XP's built in
software. Having said that though you will find that there are
people who do not report any conflicts and others do. To be on the
safe side Nero recommends disabling XP if you use InCD or Nero for
that matter.

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Thank you Harry, and everyone else who posted advice. I've been
having trouble using blank CDRW's. For example, I wanted to
transfer some data on a CDRW and give it to someone else. I
realized that if I burned it on an InCD formatted disk, my
recipient wouldn't be able to open the data without having InCD on
his system, so I tried to take a brand new CDRW and put the data on
that with XP. As soon as the drive door closed, I got a "drive not
accessible; incorrect function".
I just discovered something tonight. On my recording tab for my D
drive properties, I have had the allow CD burning on this drive
unchecked because Nero advised that to prevent conflicts with InCD.
I've always been using the InCD for my data backups.
I assumed about an hour ago that the reason I was getting the not
accessible intercept with a blank CDRW insertion was that the blank
wasn't formatted in InCD, and XP wasn't picking it up because the
box was unchecked.
I went in and checked the box and reinserted the unformatted disk
again. It worked perfectly this time. I transferred my data using
XP instead of InCD.
Some simple followup questions; all the files are read only and I
assume can't be changed on the CD using XP as the transfer
program.BUT>>>>>
Is there a procedure where I can either use explorer or transfer a
file back to the desktop and uncheck the read only box, make a
change to the file, then put it back changed again on the XP CD?
And can I store a program that is an executable on the XP CD and
execute it if I need to reinstall that program for some reason?
Most of all, will there be conflicts if I leave the recording box
checked for XP burning and have InCD installed at the same time?
Thanks you very much for your help. I really appreciate you
folks!!!
Dudley

Yes. You can copy the files to your Hard Drive. Uninstall InCD,
insert new CD-R/W and copy the files to then using XP's built in
software. Just check to ensure you have enabled XP recording
software through the Properties Tab for your CD burners after
you've uninstalled InCD as I believe it disables XP's software
when it is installed.
--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


message Question;
I have two CDRW's that were formatted in InCD and used to store
data files./ Assuming I want to get rid of InCD for good and
begin using the built in XP CD program to transfer and store my
data files to a CD, can I transfer what's on the InCD formatted
CDRW's to my desktop in a folder, then uninstall InCD completely
from the computer in add remove programs, then, using XP's built
in program, insert a new blank CDRW into the drive and put my
data on the new disk?
Thanks much.
Dudley
 
K

Ken Blake

In
Kenny S said:
You are incorrect. You are talking about CD-R and not CD-RW
With CD-RW you can erase files from the disk and space will be
freed.


He *is* correct. He's talking about the Windows XP burning
software, which doesn't distingush between CDR and CDRW.
 
V

_Vanguard_

Kenny S said:
You are incorrect. You are talking about CD-R and not CD-RW
With CD-RW you can erase files from the disk and space will be freed.

Windows XP's CD burning functionality uses IMAPI (Image Mastering API),
not packet writing. That is why writing files onto a CD-RW (I don't
think Microsoft's IMAPI supports CD-R) using the built-in IMAPI support
in Windows XP requires a "buffer" or holding area on the hard drive. I
already provided a link in my prior post to their web page for IMAPI
development. Under there you will find
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...ase/creating_discs_with_multiple_sessions.asp,
which notes that IMAPI will create multi-session discs. Well, that
means they write a new TOC that omits the "deleted" file so there is no
pointer anymore to it. The old and supposedly deleted file still
physically exists in the prior session, but the new session's TOC
doesn't have an index to that file so it LOOKS like it got deleted.
Because it is still physically occupying space on the CD-RW, you
eventually run out of space on it although you might have only a puny
amount of *accessible* files currently listed for that disc. You'll
see, say, only 100KB in files listed but you can't add any more files to
the 650MB CD-RW until you erase it and reformat it. See also
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpcd.php and
http://www.mrichter.com/cdr/primer/udf.htm.

If deleting a file really deleted it from the CD-RW then why is there a
function to ERASE the CD-RW disc? You could do that by simply deleting
all the files on it instead of waiting the horrendously longer time
needed to erase it. Deleting files won't work so you need to erase the
CD-RW to open space on it again. That's how mastering (IMAPI) works
with multi-session CDs. It's like editing your document in a word
processor by using a cross-out line to "delete" a paragraph rather than
actually cutting it out: the bytes are still there for the crossed out
portion.

Packet writing (my guess) overwrites the existing TOC on CD-RW (because
you can write, read and erase individual fixed-length packets). A fixed
amount of the CD-RW's capacity gets allocated for the TOC (or VAT or
whatever it is called). The space used by the deleted file becomes
*available* again (I don't know if they do the erasure at the time of
deletion or when a new file wants to reuse that unallocated space), and
so it behaves similar to a floppy diskette. Packet writing reduces a
650MB CD-RW to 550MB because of the space needed to save the rewritable
TOC.

Unlike your claim, CD-Rs *can* also use packet writing but because the
same space cannot be reused (i.e., rewritten), another TOC needs to be
created that supplants the earlier TOC. I haven't investigated if the
requirement for multiple TOCs on a CD-R means multi-sessions must be
used or somehow only the latest or newest TOC written gets used.
Perhaps packet writing never caught on for CD-Rs because of the wasted
space for the multiple TOCs, and why most users believe a UDF writer is
only used on CD-RWs (mostly because that's what their UDF writer
restricts them to). The UDF spec (which is used by InCD and DirectCD)
from version 1.5 and later (e.g.,
http://www.osta.org/specs/pdf/udf250.pdf) notes the use of UDF (packet
writing) to CD-R media but it quickly exhausts my expertise in
understanding it.

Be aware the CD-RWs support only a limited number of erasures. I
believe the manufacturer stated max is usually 1000 erasures. So even
if you use UDF for packet writing with CD-RWs, eventually you'll get a
flaky disc. I don't think there is any ceiling function used to keep
track of a count (on the CD-RW itself) as to when any particular packet
has reached the manufacturer's recommended maximum erasure count, so the
CD-RW become flaky without notice and without blocking further erasures.
I could be wrong but I have yet to hear of something that bars you from
rewriting to a CD-RW more than 1000 times. So UDF packet writing to
CD-RWs is not all that users might believe it is cracked up to be since
its use is self-terminating. Remember that packet writing will incur
fragmentation and writing a single new file may end up reusing hundreds
of old but smaller spaces that are no longer allocated (i.e., you get
lots of erasures for just 1 file write) so you could end up with a flaky
CD-RW long before you wrote a total of 1000 files onto the CD-RW. You
do NOT want to use UDF and CD-RW for your backup media unless it is
treated as permanent never-rewritten backup media, but then why waste
the extra money for CD-RW media instead of using cheaper CD-R media?
 
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R

Raymond J. Johnson Jr.

| WinXp treats CD-RWs as CD-Rs . It doesn't natively know about RW, that's
| what InCD is for..
|
|
| --
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| Reply to group
| =================================================
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Except that a CD-RW can be erased using XP's burning facility.
 

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