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Jon said:
Supposedly that's been changed, retroactively.
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Guest
You're not living in the REAL world pal. Lets say you fry your motherboard
twice, according to the revamped Eula you must shell out more $$$ to M$ for a
whole new OS. Sorry. Or, your PC is revaged by spyware, whatever. The
previous license states: this EULA implicitly allows any user to continually
move a single copy of Windows XP from machine to machine as often as they'd
like. You may move [Windows XP] to a different Workstation Computer. After
the transfer, you must completely remove [Windows XP] from the former
Workstation Computer." [emphasis added] Microsoft has decided to put a new
'spin' on it. It is called GREED. They want people to have to pay pay pay.
twice, according to the revamped Eula you must shell out more $$$ to M$ for a
whole new OS. Sorry. Or, your PC is revaged by spyware, whatever. The
previous license states: this EULA implicitly allows any user to continually
move a single copy of Windows XP from machine to machine as often as they'd
like. You may move [Windows XP] to a different Workstation Computer. After
the transfer, you must completely remove [Windows XP] from the former
Workstation Computer." [emphasis added] Microsoft has decided to put a new
'spin' on it. It is called GREED. They want people to have to pay pay pay.
C
Clark
You guys might want to start comparing which version of the retail EULA you
are referring to. It seems to have changed over the years.
Clark
are referring to. It seems to have changed over the years.
Clark
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Dave Burns
About 200 Dell OptiPlex GX520s, GX270s, GX250s - warranted by the
manufacturer. Parts are replaced under OEM warranty, when necessary. OEM
warranties are extended prior to end of year 3 for additional 2 years, and
the business operator gets 5 years out of these computers. Consistently.
My own computers have been self-built or have been Dell Precision
Workstation 220s. The latter came with Windows 2000 and were upgraded to
XP - both of them are still running today (one is in use by a friend, still
with the original XP upgrade, the other running as a personal web server).
The self-built PCs still run either Windows Server 2003 web server edition
or Server 2003 SBS as an upgrade over XP. My personal-use PC is WinXP SP2,
which was installed in 2003 on an AMD Athlon (I think) 1.0 GHz w/1 GB RAM
and a video upgrade in 2005 to an ATI All-iIn-Wonder board (for cable TV).
-- Dave
manufacturer. Parts are replaced under OEM warranty, when necessary. OEM
warranties are extended prior to end of year 3 for additional 2 years, and
the business operator gets 5 years out of these computers. Consistently.
My own computers have been self-built or have been Dell Precision
Workstation 220s. The latter came with Windows 2000 and were upgraded to
XP - both of them are still running today (one is in use by a friend, still
with the original XP upgrade, the other running as a personal web server).
The self-built PCs still run either Windows Server 2003 web server edition
or Server 2003 SBS as an upgrade over XP. My personal-use PC is WinXP SP2,
which was installed in 2003 on an AMD Athlon (I think) 1.0 GHz w/1 GB RAM
and a video upgrade in 2005 to an ATI All-iIn-Wonder board (for cable TV).
-- Dave
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Dave Burns
Actually, Jon, we were talking about upgrades. Of course you can transfer
and install on a new PC (unless it's an OEM license, in which case you can
not). That was't the issue.
-- Dave
and install on a new PC (unless it's an OEM license, in which case you can
not). That was't the issue.
-- Dave
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Guest
Jerry Jerry Jerry-how little imagination do some people have..I am a gamer,
geek, upgrader who lives in front of his PC. My friend I have built no less
that 7-9 new PCs for myself in the last 5 years. I LOVE to upgrade. My
games demand the latest memory, video card everything. I ALWAYS do a new
install of XP Pro when I install a new motherboard. According to Microsoft's
new 'Spin' on the Eula, I would have to shell out $$$ to M$ for a new OS.
This is wrong: the Xp Eula states: You may move the Product to a different
Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the
Product from the former Workstation Computer. So, formatting my HD,
reinstalling contitutes this.
geek, upgrader who lives in front of his PC. My friend I have built no less
that 7-9 new PCs for myself in the last 5 years. I LOVE to upgrade. My
games demand the latest memory, video card everything. I ALWAYS do a new
install of XP Pro when I install a new motherboard. According to Microsoft's
new 'Spin' on the Eula, I would have to shell out $$$ to M$ for a new OS.
This is wrong: the Xp Eula states: You may move the Product to a different
Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the
Product from the former Workstation Computer. So, formatting my HD,
reinstalling contitutes this.
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MICHAEL
Steve de Mena said:Microsoft interprets their EULA for Windows XP as only allowing one transfer also.
Regardless of what imaginary text Microsoft would have you
believe is in the XP EULA, or their revisionist interpretation
of the EULA- practically anyone with any sense knows that
the accepted practice was; install it as many times as you wanted
on the same machine and/or you could install your copy on another
machine so long as it was removed from the previous one.
Almost everyone seems to understand this, I've seen MVP's
state this as fact over the years, most everyone has always
believed this. What Microsoft is doing is trying to get folks to
believe that was never the case, so the changes they have made
with the Vista EULA aren't really changes- it's always been that
way. That is nothing but bullcraps. Plain and simple.
-Michael
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ML
MS considers a VOLUNTARY motherboard replacement (not due to hardware
failures) a NEW COMPUTER. It is stated in Licensing FAQ for system builders
for XP on MS website. And their interpretation of this has not changed or
at least not written anywhere in their website.
So in short, yes, MS does consider a motherboard replacement not due to
hardware failures (which we call upgrade) a new machine.
failures) a NEW COMPUTER. It is stated in Licensing FAQ for system builders
for XP on MS website. And their interpretation of this has not changed or
at least not written anywhere in their website.
So in short, yes, MS does consider a motherboard replacement not due to
hardware failures (which we call upgrade) a new machine.
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Alias~-
ML said:MS considers a VOLUNTARY motherboard replacement (not due to hardware
failures) a NEW COMPUTER. It is stated in Licensing FAQ for system builders
for XP on MS website. And their interpretation of this has not changed or
at least not written anywhere in their website.
So in short, yes, MS does consider a motherboard replacement not due to
hardware failures (which we call upgrade) a new machine.
My generic OEM EULA doesn't mention a motherboard. I am not a systems
builder. Ergo, I can upgrade my motherboard to my heart's content.
Alias
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Juergen Heckel
Hi,Steve said:I haven't got time to look it up now, but I'm pretty sure that a new, HDD,
M/B and Video Card, constitutes a new PC.
a new HDD (an image in the same PC) requires another activation (in RC1
and RC2).
K
Kevin Young
Or Dave you can simply acquire a commercial distribution of Linux such as
Suse and insert the DVD into your drive like XP or Vista and then have Suse
install Linux, drivers and most of the software the typical user will ever
need. Updates are handled automatically, security is improved, a package
manager allows you to install or remove applications at will.
Oh, did I forget to mention that you will not need to worry about
activation - there is no such thing. Oh did you want to move the
distribution to another computer - feel free, in fact leave it on the first
computer and add it to the second computer or a third or a fourth. Oh, and
my new Linux install will have better security and be even be more stable.
What you mean I no longer need to purchase expensive Office suites and I'll
still have compatibility for word processing and spreadsheets. I no longer
need to activate my office suite you say? Oh, I can choose from several
different distributions and find the one or a company that suites me.
I am a long term supporter of Microsoft operating systems and products, in
fact I moved to Microsoft products years ago because it seemed to offer
greater flexibility while other products at the time were adding layers of
copy protection that constantly created problems for legitimate and legal
users of software products. At the time Microsoft was not playing that
game. Now it seems Microsoft has moved in that same direction and so
perhaps for some of us it is time to change platforms once again.
Having tried Linux distributions of Suse and Linspire I would suggest that
your post is very misleading. Using commercial distributions of Linux like
the two I mentioned are no more difficult for the typical user than XP or
Vista. In fact I would argue that they are simpler because with Windows you
first install your operating system followed by your office suite, internet
security suite, etc. With Suse and Linspire these applications are
installed when you install the operating system. With Linux there are no
activation headaches and all kinds of flexibility in terms of moving things
to different hardware platforms. With Linspire, installing new applications
are simply a matter of click and run.. All this complexity you talk about
exists under the hood for the Power User to play with and explore but the
typical user doesn't even need to know it is there.
While I may have to live in MS at the office due to corporate standards, I
am seriously considering a move to Linux on the home front. I do not hate
Microsoft or their products but they have consistently made things more and
more inconvienent with activation, now phoning home and such and I just
don't need the headaches. I want reliability, security and flexibility and
from what I can see Linux seems to offer all that. This message isn't
intended to bash Microsoft, I have nothing against their products and will
likely continue to use them in some capacity but Linux is starting to look
pretty good for a number of reasons I have stated.
Suse and insert the DVD into your drive like XP or Vista and then have Suse
install Linux, drivers and most of the software the typical user will ever
need. Updates are handled automatically, security is improved, a package
manager allows you to install or remove applications at will.
Oh, did I forget to mention that you will not need to worry about
activation - there is no such thing. Oh did you want to move the
distribution to another computer - feel free, in fact leave it on the first
computer and add it to the second computer or a third or a fourth. Oh, and
my new Linux install will have better security and be even be more stable.
What you mean I no longer need to purchase expensive Office suites and I'll
still have compatibility for word processing and spreadsheets. I no longer
need to activate my office suite you say? Oh, I can choose from several
different distributions and find the one or a company that suites me.
I am a long term supporter of Microsoft operating systems and products, in
fact I moved to Microsoft products years ago because it seemed to offer
greater flexibility while other products at the time were adding layers of
copy protection that constantly created problems for legitimate and legal
users of software products. At the time Microsoft was not playing that
game. Now it seems Microsoft has moved in that same direction and so
perhaps for some of us it is time to change platforms once again.
Having tried Linux distributions of Suse and Linspire I would suggest that
your post is very misleading. Using commercial distributions of Linux like
the two I mentioned are no more difficult for the typical user than XP or
Vista. In fact I would argue that they are simpler because with Windows you
first install your operating system followed by your office suite, internet
security suite, etc. With Suse and Linspire these applications are
installed when you install the operating system. With Linux there are no
activation headaches and all kinds of flexibility in terms of moving things
to different hardware platforms. With Linspire, installing new applications
are simply a matter of click and run.. All this complexity you talk about
exists under the hood for the Power User to play with and explore but the
typical user doesn't even need to know it is there.
While I may have to live in MS at the office due to corporate standards, I
am seriously considering a move to Linux on the home front. I do not hate
Microsoft or their products but they have consistently made things more and
more inconvienent with activation, now phoning home and such and I just
don't need the headaches. I want reliability, security and flexibility and
from what I can see Linux seems to offer all that. This message isn't
intended to bash Microsoft, I have nothing against their products and will
likely continue to use them in some capacity but Linux is starting to look
pretty good for a number of reasons I have stated.
G
Guest
This is what confuses me, I have three other computers in my house. So if I
want to upgrade all of them to Vista, I have to buy three copies of it?
want to upgrade all of them to Vista, I have to buy three copies of it?
J
John Barnes
One third party transfer. Unlimited internal transfers
J
John Barnes
Yes. You always have had to have 4 licenses for 4 computers.
J
John Barnes
MOBO yes, others may trigger activation.
Steve said:I haven't got time to look it up now, but I'm pretty sure that a new, HDD,
M/B and Video Card, constitutes a new PC.
As for Linux, keep your eyes on Novel Suse Linux over the next few years.
I think a lot of people may get a surprise.
stevek
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Guest
Too bad the loss of "writ of habeas corpus" does not generate this much ire.
J
Jeff
ahh,
that's cuz most people aren't considered "enemy combatants" by
MSFT.--yet.
lol
Jeff
read up on that-it's pretty specific-and it may or may not go to the Supreme
Court-we'll see
that's cuz most people aren't considered "enemy combatants" by
MSFT.--yet.
lol
Jeff
read up on that-it's pretty specific-and it may or may not go to the Supreme
Court-we'll see
R
Ray
I have 3 computers in different stages of evolution, one runs Ubuntu and the
other 2 run licensed versions of XP.
As one box becomes unusable (usually the old one) or new technology makes a
new box worthwhile, a new box is born and I'll transfer the OS's up the
line. So far this has worked well, these "births" being well outside the 120
day time period.
With Vista is this about to change? After one cycle, and that's without any
hardware failures, am I going to have to buy a new license each time? It's
beginning to look that way, and I don't like it.
other 2 run licensed versions of XP.
As one box becomes unusable (usually the old one) or new technology makes a
new box worthwhile, a new box is born and I'll transfer the OS's up the
line. So far this has worked well, these "births" being well outside the 120
day time period.
With Vista is this about to change? After one cycle, and that's without any
hardware failures, am I going to have to buy a new license each time? It's
beginning to look that way, and I don't like it.
J
jwardl
Dave Burns said:Those of us who use the OS to operate a functional computer system in
order to produce a constant flow of input and output from our computers do
not install our operating systems over and over on a multitude of PCs over
a few (3-5) years' time. We install it once and then use it until we
replace the computer (this is the vast majority or home and business users
who represent Microsoft's target market).
Those of us who test and install multiple times usually use the eval. or
the TechNet licenses, so that we don't worry about this issue. We are
generally well supported by newsgroups like this one, by all kinds of tech
sites, by Microsoft itself, etc.
Those of us who don't know what the hell we're doing technically and just
like loading and reloading Windows as a steady habit (and pretend we're
techies), onto all kinds of cheapo, off-brand hardware (and think of
ourselves as enthusiasts) are such an infinitesimally small grumbling
group that Microsoft probably doesn't give a damn what we think.
So flame on . . .
-- Dave
Personally, my computer is a home-brew, and I tinker with it -- constantly
upgrading here and there, so I never wind up with an outdated machine that I
can't pay people to take off my hands.
MS's new policy will limit my ability to do this, which just doesn't work
for me. I was personally planning to buy Vista when it came out, but unless
they change that policy, those plans have just come to a screeching halt.
I'm not paying for the same freaking program, to run on ONE machine, again
and again -- nor am I going to go back to having to stack old computers to
the ceiling and buying completely new ones every few years.
Personally, looks like I'll be sticking with XP, and learning Linux in the
meantime.
J
jwardl
Dave Burns said:Upgrading a computer does not qualify as a transfer of the license.
Please read the EULA more carefully.
Re-installing your operating system on a computer with a new mobo is not a
transfer of the license. > -- Dave
Really? So you're saying Vista won't react the same way XP does when the MLB
is changed? Then how will Vista interpret a transfer?
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