No Virtual PC for Vista Home Premium

[Guest]

I picked up a new laptop from HP with Vista Home Premium pre-installed. I
have found the new OS compatibility issues with my investment of hundreds of
dollars in software to be a huge problem, so I considered using Windows XP
running in a Virtual PC to handle those situations. Turns out there is no
such product. To get to run software which I rely on, not only do I get the
privilege of purchasing another copy of XP (which I would do out of
necessity), I also have to pay $160 to upgrade my copy of Vista to a version
which will run Virtual PC.

I did not realistically have a choice in the OS installed on my laptop. I'm
not willing to pay for three versions of a Microsoft OS on a single PC to fix
compatibility issues introduced by the same. At the very least, Virtual PC
should run on Vista Home Premium to allow people to transition to Vista
without losing their previous software investment and without necessitating a
huge additional cash outlay.


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[Jeffrey S. Sparks]

Did you try downloading and running Virtual PC from Microsoft? From what I
understand Virtual PC will run on any version of Vista. Even with it
installed you still need a licensed copy of the OS (say xp?) for each
virtual machine you intend to run.

Jeff

 

[Mike Brannigan]

Did you try downloading and running Virtual PC from Microsoft? From what
I understand Virtual PC will run on any version of Vista. Even with it
installed you still need a licensed copy of the OS (say xp?) for each
virtual machine you intend to run.

Jeff

Jeff,

Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 has the following system requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/virtualpc/sysreq.mspx
Host operating system: Windows Vista Business, Windows Vista Enterprise,
Windows Vista Ultimate, Windows XP Professional, or Windows XP Tablet PC
Edition

So the original poster may not use this product.

 

[Jeffrey S. Sparks]

Do you know happen to know the reason they limited what versions it can run
on?

Jeff

 

[Mike Brannigan]

Do you know happen to know the reason they limited what versions it can
run on?

Jeff

Only those products allow the installation of that product in a Virtual
Machine environment (look at the end of the EULA where there are specifics
about VM use of the operating systems covered by name).
So this limit on running Virtual PC removes ambiguity where some users would
install it on Home Premium and then think they can install Home Premium as a
VM.
It is also a "free" product so can be seen as a value add to the higher end
products and was originally going to be bundled with Enterprise Edition,
but time lines did not match up and "Virtual PC Express" was canned.
There is nothing to stop the original poster using other VM products such as
those from VMWare.
It should also be noted that the previous originally charged for product
Virtual PC 2004 also did not run on Home system only Windows XP Professional
and its supersets

 

[mikeyhsd]

if you got a REAL DVD for vista with your computer, consider running XP as host then install VPC then install vista into VPC.

(e-mail address removed)@sport.rr.com

I picked up a new laptop from HP with Vista Home Premium pre-installed. I
have found the new OS compatibility issues with my investment of hundreds of
dollars in software to be a huge problem, so I considered using Windows XP
running in a Virtual PC to handle those situations. Turns out there is no
such product. To get to run software which I rely on, not only do I get the
privilege of purchasing another copy of XP (which I would do out of
necessity), I also have to pay $160 to upgrade my copy of Vista to a version
which will run Virtual PC.

I did not realistically have a choice in the OS installed on my laptop. I'm
not willing to pay for three versions of a Microsoft OS on a single PC to fix
compatibility issues introduced by the same. At the very least, Virtual PC
should run on Vista Home Premium to allow people to transition to Vista
without losing their previous software investment and without necessitating a
huge additional cash outlay.


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[Jeffrey S. Sparks]

The problem with that scenario is you don't get all the goodies like Aero.

Jeff

if you got a REAL DVD for vista with your computer, consider running XP as host then install VPC then install vista into VPC.

(e-mail address removed)@sport.rr.com

I picked up a new laptop from HP with Vista Home Premium pre-installed. I
have found the new OS compatibility issues with my investment of hundreds of
dollars in software to be a huge problem, so I considered using Windows XP
running in a Virtual PC to handle those situations. Turns out there is no
such product. To get to run software which I rely on, not only do I get the
privilege of purchasing another copy of XP (which I would do out of
necessity), I also have to pay $160 to upgrade my copy of Vista to a version
which will run Virtual PC.

I did not realistically have a choice in the OS installed on my laptop. I'm
not willing to pay for three versions of a Microsoft OS on a single PC to fix
compatibility issues introduced by the same. At the very least, Virtual PC
should run on Vista Home Premium to allow people to transition to Vista
without losing their previous software investment and without necessitating a
huge additional cash outlay.


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[Mike Brannigan]

if you got a REAL DVD for vista with your computer, consider running XP as
host then install VPC then install vista into VPC.

In addition to Jeff's point - you may also NOT run Windows Vista Home
Premium in a VM as per the EULA.
4. Use with Virtualization Technologies. You may not use the software
installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated)
hardware system.

--
Mike Brannigan



if you got a REAL DVD for vista with your computer, consider running XP as
host then install VPC then install vista into VPC.

(e-mail address removed)@sport.rr.com
I picked up a new laptop from HP with Vista Home Premium pre-installed. I
have found the new OS compatibility issues with my investment of hundreds of
dollars in software to be a huge problem, so I considered using Windows XP
running in a Virtual PC to handle those situations. Turns out there is no
such product. To get to run software which I rely on, not only do I get the
privilege of purchasing another copy of XP (which I would do out of
necessity), I also have to pay $160 to upgrade my copy of Vista to a version
which will run Virtual PC.

I did not realistically have a choice in the OS installed on my laptop. I'm
not willing to pay for three versions of a Microsoft OS on a single PC to
fix
compatibility issues introduced by the same. At the very least, Virtual PC
should run on Vista Home Premium to allow people to transition to Vista
without losing their previous software investment and without necessitating
a
huge additional cash outlay.


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[MICHAEL]

In addition to Jeff's point - you may also NOT run Windows Vista Home Premium in a VM as per
the EULA.
4. Use with Virtualization Technologies. You may not use the software installed on the
licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system.

That is just so fuktarded.


-Michael

 

[Mike Brannigan]

That is just so fuktarded.


-Michael

If you do wish to run a version of Windows Vista in a VM then you can use
one of the none Home user focused SKUs such as Ultimate.

 

[Guest]

If you do wish to run a version of Windows Vista in a VM then you can use
one of the none Home user focused SKUs such as Ultimate.

You do realize that it's increasingly difficult to purchase an off-the-shelf
computer that does not come with Vista preinstalled, right? So unless I want
to throw away the license I ALREADY PAID FOR for with my new laptop, it costs
$160 to upgrade from Home Premium to Ultimate You don't even provide an
upgrade path to Vista Business. This only gives me the privilege of forking
out the cash for another copy of XP pro to fix issues in the OS that rendered
previously perfectly good applications utterly useless. And your response
is, "Boo, hoo?"

I'm a software developer myself, so I'm not completely unsympathetic to
necessary changes in the OS that ripple down to legacy code. But your
policies are seemingly geared towards maximizing both profit and customer
dissatisfaction in helping fix the problems you introduced.

What you should be warned of is that you are guaranteeing that people will
be exceedingly reluctant to consider Vista as a viable alternative to XP. I
have four other computers with licensed XP software which, in light of what
I've learned here, will most assuredly NOT be getting upgrades to Vista.

All becuase of a marketing decision to not allow users of any of the Home
versions, even those who previously owned and used XP Pro, to run VirtualPC.

 

[Kevin Young]

That is just so fuktarded.


-Michael

Since there are no technical limitations preventing these lower cost
versions of Vista from running in a VM it appears this was simply a MS
decision to charge customers more to run Vista in a VM. I personally
think this is just another example of MS being so focused on the mighty
buck that they have lost touch with the customer. Activation, WGA,
WGA-N are a few more examples. Not to mention having 6 different
versions of Vista. While MS is busy trying to get every last dollar out
of their customers I suspect there will be customers that simply say
enough is enough and move to another platform.

 

[Michael Cecil]

Jeff,

Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 has the following system requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/virtualpc/sysreq.mspx
Host operating system: Windows Vista Business, Windows Vista Enterprise,
Windows Vista Ultimate, Windows XP Professional, or Windows XP Tablet PC
Edition

So the original poster may not use this product.

So use Virtual PC 2005. It works with XP fine and I don't think it can
have any restrictions about Vista since it predates it.

Or use VMWare. It's faster anyhow.

 

[LaRoux]

If you want to get an off-the-shelf computer that can run VirtualPC, you can
get a system from any of the big OEMs with Vista Business pre-installed for
about the same cost as one with Home Premium.

You do realize that it's increasingly difficult to purchase an
off-the-shelf
computer that does not come with Vista preinstalled, right? So unless I
want
to throw away the license I ALREADY PAID FOR for with my new laptop, it
costs
$160 to upgrade from Home Premium to Ultimate You don't even provide an
upgrade path to Vista Business. This only gives me the privilege of
forking
out the cash for another copy of XP pro to fix issues in the OS that
rendered
previously perfectly good applications utterly useless. And your response
is, "Boo, hoo?"

XP Pro was never considered a "home" version. The stated direct upgrade from
XP Pro is Vista Business which will run VirtualPC.

 

[Michal Kawecki]

Innotek VirtualBox is free and run fine on any version of Vista.

 

[Ash]

This is not the case for me. I am currently trying to get Virtual PC to run
on a Vista Home Premium machine and I am having trouble with the network
functions.

I also disagree with whomever said I could get a machine for about the same
price with vista business edition on it. I have not seen a vista business
edition computer for as little as I paid for my current machine. Granted I
got a good deal on this machine, but I'm also not about to spend another $160
just to upgrade a brand new system. I was willing to switch to vista only
because I thought I'd be able to run Virtual PC to run my old programs. Now
I'm sorry I ever had to switch!!

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

But the license agreement clearly stated its not supported on Vista Home
Basic and Premium. If you need Virtualization functionality, try using an
alternative such as VMWare Workstation or upgrade to Vista Ultimate.

 

[Walter_Slipperman]

I feel your frustration.

When I was deciding what I wanted in my new computer to replace my five year
XP machine I thought I'd try Vista but wanted to be able to do run XP in a
VM just in case I had some apps that wouldn't run in Vista. I also wanted
VM for testing some apps, and maybe running some stuff very securely. So I
figured I would want lots of RAM. With 32 bit apps inability to address 4G
I selected the 64 bit version of Vista Home Premium and like you am finding
that Microsoft's Virtual PC does not support it. So I can either spend
another $250 to upgrade (and is that a smooth just pop the disk in upgrade?)
or buying VMware Workstation for $180. This was not expected.

\\\\Walter\\\\

 

[Bruce Chambers]

I feel your frustration.

When I was deciding what I wanted in my new computer to replace my five
year XP machine I thought I'd try Vista but wanted to be able to do run
XP in a VM just in case I had some apps that wouldn't run in Vista. I
also wanted VM for testing some apps, and maybe running some stuff very
securely. So I figured I would want lots of RAM. With 32 bit apps
inability to address 4G I selected the 64 bit version of Vista Home
Premium and like you am finding that Microsoft's Virtual PC does not
support it. So I can either spend another $250 to upgrade (and is that
a smooth just pop the disk in upgrade?) or buying VMware Workstation for
$180. This was not expected.

Why not download Innotek's VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/)?
It's free and works with Vista.


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Bruce Chambers

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[Kurt Herman]

Virtual PC runs fine on Vista Home Premium.

Being "not supported" just means MS won't help you if you have any problems
with it. If you just install it, and IGNORE the message about it not being
supported, it will install and run fine.

I am running it myself, and I have a VM for XP, 98se, Dos, AND PC Linux.
They all run fine.