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Because we wouldn't want the truth interfering with your
ego?
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Again, you ignore the point.
And you wouldn't be mistaken or be untruthful, would you?
kony said:I ignore you misguided assumption that both units would have
to be available from the same source... because in fact they
DON'T have to be available from the same source.
All we need to get one at a lower price is a single place
selling it that we'd be willing to buy from.
When you build a system, is there ANY eStore that carries
ALL brands? If not, (and there isn't), can you really keep
a straight face and claim we can't compare prices? You're
out of your mind.
kony said:No, because I'm not a shill for PC P&C and haven't argued
illogically in favor of them as you have on SEVERAL
occasions.
On the other hand, the issue came up and you denied reality,
that one does cost more than the other the majority of the
time. Citing a single place you found one higher than
average is no evidence of the majority selling price.
Sigh...we're talking price comparison, not purchase.
If I were a "shill" I would have answered the OP's post with
a recommendation to buy the PCP&C PSU. I didn't. In fact, I
didn't enter the thread until "someone" claimed that all PCP&C
Silencers are made by Seasonic, the 14th post in this thread.
Nowhere in this thread have I recommended that a person buy a
PCP&C PSU. This makes me a shill.
kony said:LOL.
So a price would be relative to WHAT, if not purchase?
The distinction you are trying to draw is only important in
your own mind, not in any practical way.
kony said:Yes, because you still argue "pro-PCP&C" as if we need to
prove something to you that you didn't know already.
When you are in ignorance on a matter, the last reasonable
thing to do is insist someone needs prove something that you
have no evidence at all to counter, and you don't (have any
evidnece whatsoever that someone else made the Silencer
model in question).
Man, are you dense. YOU claimed that the PCP&C S610 was overpriced
when compared to the Seasonics S12-600.
For evidence, you *compared*
the RETAIL price of the S610 (about $160 USD)
to the DISCOUNTED
price of the S12-600 ($120??)
*YOU* made a COMPARISON, not a PURCHASE.
I simply asked you to COMPARE apples to apples (retail price to retail
price) or oranges to oranges (discounted price to discounted price)
instead of your apples to oranges comparison.
Are you really too dumb to comprehend this, or are you just trolling?
[rhetorical question.]
They don't even come close.
kony said:Yes, because it is.
I compared the SELLING PRICE.
Go ahead and find us a PCP&C for less.
If you can't find examples of the PC P&C
unit selling for under $140 then you must truely be an idiot
to argue there isn't a price difference.
Just about any product in the PC market has a so-called
"retail" price, but sells for a lower price. That lower
price is not a sale, or special, it can be found at many
vendors, at any point in time a simple search engine can
find the product at that price.
You asked for a contrived comparison because you don't like
that the facts disagree with you.
The MARKET PRICE is the valid price.
I'm sorry reality is too difficult for you.
kony said:So you can ignore anything then think making a vague
statement is sufficient without evidence, if YOU do it?
I've already gone the extra mile and linked several things.
You've just whined that you don't like (having no counter
argument, apparently).
So where's your evidence that they don't even come close?
You are so far behind the curve at this point that to be
seen as anything but an idiot shill you will have to
provide:
- Actual counters to the things I've already linked.
- Levels of evidence for your arguments that coincide to
the amount of evidence you claimed I needed for my argument.
I can get one for less than $140 from a registered dealer.
Yes. You've linked a lot of things. None of which, unfortunately,
have anything to due with the Silencer 610 or the Seasonics S12-600.
Well, my statement (which you cleverly snipped) was that THE PHOTOS
that you provided links to DON'T EVEN COME CLOSE to supporting your
claim that the PCP%C S610 is just a rebadged Seasonics S12-600.
Funny
how you attempted to change the meaning of what I wrote.
If you forgot:
I have not argued "pro-PCP&C" or "anti-PCP&C." I have
argued - correctly so - that your evidence does *NOT* support
your argument. For example, your pictures of the "350" and "410"
labeled PSUs, along with the "PC Modding Malaysia" and "S470"
PSUs do not support your claim that the PCP&C S610 is just a
rebadged Seasonic S12-600.
They don't even come close.
But yet,
you insist these photos prove your point. Pathetic, really.
Re-read the above.
Hey, these are as evidential as anything you've linked. Maybe more:
http://www.strangepersons.com/images/content/8531.jpg
Hmmm...that's a real tongue twister. What does it mean?
You have
provided NO evidence that the PCP&C S610 is just a rebadged Seasonics
S12-600, so I guess I don't need any.
But, I want to again hear your
explanation for the different output currents,
different chassis and
fan, different output harness.
Those things point to the possibility
that they are indeed totally different supplies.
Do you have that sinking feeling that you are wrong?
kony said:Provide the links.
Your reading comprehension problem surfaces again. A DEALER. A human
being. Someone who buys and gets DEALER pricing. One needs a link to
be a dealer? I think not. How did things get sold before the WWW?
kony said:I never claimed "rebadged". Reread it.
Nope, you're just a horribly confused person who doesn't
even know what "more expensive" or "made by" means.
Yes, you are trying to claim I need to prove something to
you. You can't even concede that the Seasonic costs less
which any gradeschool child can see, so obviously anything
more complex will only befuddle you.
Yes, they do come very close. Minor variations in chassis
to fit a different fan more than anything.
So what you're REALLY saying is, you have no evidence of
anything at all, and just feel like wasting everyone's time
because it doesn't even MATTER who made it, only what it
actually is, the final product.
I probably should have edited everything you wrote so it
read more like this:
"So you disagree, what do I care if you can't even provide
one single link".
So even when you're going to spend time on the thread, you
don't find evidence of any kind, you just act like a fool.
You're squirming now and we both know why.
You were making up nonsense and have no support at all for
what you wrote. I even offered to link more but you
couldn't even be bothered to provide EVEN ONE SINGLE LINK.
After all this typing you've done we have to assume you're
as dumb as a rock to continue whining as if it somehow
improves your position instead of providing ACTUAL LINKS.
Once you provide some, then I'll give you a few more.
You have to make the slightest bit of effort if you want to
be taken seriously.
Already showed how their output current couldn't be correct.
Do you have any idea how trivial it is to put a different
fan on? Did I ever write that they are exactly identical?
No.
Reread the above a few times because you seem a slow
thinker.
They are comparable PSU made by same company.
While the PC
P&C unit initially appears to have higher 12V rating, that
directly conflicts with the other data on the spec sheet
such that it can't be sustained in use, is not an equivalent
rating system.
You don't know beans about PSU do you?
OK. The photos that you provided links to HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
S610 OR S12-600, PERIOD, thus, do not support your claim that the
S610 is even built by Seasonic.
UCLAN said:Your reading comprehension problem surfaces again. A DEALER. A human
being. Someone who buys and gets DEALER pricing. One needs a link to
be a dealer? I think not. How did things get sold before the WWW?
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