Any opinions on this PSU?

J

job

PCP&C are considered among the best,if not number one in PC power supplies.
The prices definitely refect that.
If you can afford the bst,buy it.
 
R

Rick Thompson

Doc said:
I see good things about PCPC, they have an excellent resellerratings.com
rating. A friend referred me to their site. Anyone have hands on experience
with this unit? So far haven't found a reveiw about it. From what I
understand, a lot of their units are rebadged?

http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/viewproduct.php?show=S47ATX

I had one and returned it. First of all, "Silencer" is a crock of shit.
The thing was noisy. And it quite literally stunk. I waited more
than a week for the burnt insulation smell to go away. It didn't.
I called the company and they claimed it was "normal". I said
fine, if this is normal you can have your supply back.

Also, 26A on the +12V rail is not much for today's systems. It's
probably why it only has one PCI-E connector. For a little more
money I opted for a Fortron Epsilon (sold by OCZ as their
GameXStream 600 and 700). MUCH quieter than the Silencer,
runs cooler, no stink, 46A capacity on the +12V rail, and rock
solid voltages even under massive load changes (which was also
true with the Silencer 470.
 
D

Doc

I had one and returned it. First of all, "Silencer" is a crock of shit.
The thing was noisy.

Hmm. I wonder if yours was a problem unit? The one user review I've found
thought it was super quiet.

"I've been running the power supply for about 4-6 hours now and no problems.
The fan is dead silent. I had to check and see if the fan was running
because it is inaudible."

Didn't say anything about smell. I see the review was pretty recent - just 4
months ago. Maybe you were experiencing something they've since addressed?

I guess I'll see when it gets here.
Also, 26A on the +12V rail is not much for today's systems. It's
probably why it only has one PCI-E connector. For a little more
money I opted for a Fortron Epsilon (sold by OCZ as their
GameXStream 600 and 700). MUCH quieter than the Silencer,
runs cooler, no stink, 46A capacity on the +12V rail, and rock
solid voltages even under massive load changes (which was also
true with the Silencer 470.

The system it's going into is relatively modest by today's standards - 2.4
gig P4 board, 1 SATA and 1 IDE drive, case fan, NVidia GeForce FX 5200,
sound card, video capture card, modem, 1 or 2 gigs ram at most, going to use
it for video work. Might play a few older games on it like NovaLogic Mig 29
Fulcrum/F-16. Think that 470 watt Silencer should be more than up to it?
Their PS selector actually recommended a 360 watt unit but I opted for what
I hoped would be a bit of overkill.

Btw, I did find out that this line of PS's are built in their facility, not
rebadged.
 
B

BC

Doc said:
I see good things about PCPC, they have an excellent resellerratings.com
rating. A friend referred me to their site. Anyone have hands on experience
with this unit? So far haven't found a reveiw about it. From what I
understand, a lot of their units are rebadged?

http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/viewproduct.php?show=S47ATX

Yes, that is an excellent unit.

Friend put one in, finally, after his (second) OCZ "600" blew up. Runs
quiet, cool, and puts out plenty of power. (Note: be sure to tailor it
to your system, i.e. if you are running SLI, etc, you might need to go
up in power.)

Rebadged: could be, not sure....Asus makes Mac portables, lots of their
motherboards I think...rebadged. Lots of stuff out there rebadged, like
a lot of GM cars...not necessarily good or bad. But, you get great
service from them, a long warranty, and, based on my experience with
multiple units, and that of a friend who owns a computer service company
and recommends nothing else, I think it is a safe buy.

HTH,

BC
 
K

kony

Hmm. I wonder if yours was a problem unit? The one user review I've found
thought it was super quiet.

Doubtful, the noise is typically directly corresponding to
the ambient temp and system load. Power hungry systems will
result in higher fan RPM -> noise.

"I've been running the power supply for about 4-6 hours now and no problems.
The fan is dead silent. I had to check and see if the fan was running
because it is inaudible."


They are quieter than some, and not bad, but not as good a
value as a $100 Fortron either.


His described PSU is complete overkill for any system with
less than a half dozen HDDs and/or SLI'd high end gaming
video cards.


The system it's going into is relatively modest by today's standards - 2.4
gig P4 board, 1 SATA and 1 IDE drive, case fan, NVidia GeForce FX 5200,
sound card, video capture card, modem, 1 or 2 gigs ram at most, going to use
it for video work. Might play a few older games on it like NovaLogic Mig 29
Fulcrum/F-16. Think that 470 watt Silencer should be more than up to it?
Their PS selector actually recommended a 360 watt unit but I opted for what
I hoped would be a bit of overkill.

Btw, I did find out that this line of PS's are built in their facility, not
rebadged.

There's nothing wrong with rebadged PSU if it's a good one,
actually most of the so-called "PC" product brands are
rebadged PSU. Thermaltake, Antec, Zalman, OCZ, etc, etc,
don't make their own PSU.

Your system should run fine with a PSU having 18A on 12V
rail, give or take... actually less amperage from a HQ unit
but 18A is a common amount to spec and can be found in many
name-brands around the $50 price point. So for this use,
the PC Power & Cooling model would be fine yet overkill and
premium priced overkill at that. It would however be more
suitable for reuse in the next system or system-wide upgrade
than if only buying the bare minimum per this system's
needs.
 
G

Guest

Doc said:
From what I understand, a lot of their units are rebadged?

http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/viewproduct.php?show=S47ATX

The core units come from manufacturers like Fortron-Source, WinTact,
and Seasonic, all very good companies. Notice the powr rating of this
470W supply is specified at 50C, meaning if rated at the more common
25C it would be approximately 550W. But for less money you can buy a
550W Seasonic or Seasonic-made Antec Neo that's also rated at 50C.
 
R

Rick Thompson

BC said:
Yes, that is an excellent unit.

Friend put one in, finally, after his (second) OCZ "600" blew up.

Troll. Either that or he's confusing their GameXStream line
(which has been out only a few weeks) with their previous
ModStream or PowerStream lines.
 
B

BC

Rick said:
Troll. Either that or he's confusing their GameXStream line
(which has been out only a few weeks) with their previous
ModStream or PowerStream lines.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/07/11/stress_test/page21.html

OCZ unit failed test.

We had problems with testing our first sample and are working with the
manufacturer on the reasons why. In the meantime, OCZ representatives
have told us the following:

*"We are proactively working with the editors at Toms Hardware Guide to
*understand what happened to the PowerStream test units during the "Live
*Stress Test." These units were tested under full load in our facility
*for 48 hours prior to being sent to Germany. We have also not witnessed
*any of these anomalies with customers in the field. To proactively
*address the issue the power supplies are being sent back to our labs in
*the United States for a complete diagnosis. OCZ remains committed to
*the design and manufacture of high end power supplies that address the
*unique needs of gamers, high power users, and enthusiasts."

"Not witnessed...with customers in the field"....this is not true. Two
went belly up, quickly, in a fairly standard system: A8N-E, single
6600GT, 2 x 512, etc.

The rest of that paragraph, apparently written by a publicist or
attorney: I see "bullshit bingo" terms such as "proactively" and
"committed" "unique"...

http://www.bullshitbingo.net/cards/bullshit/

Test results:

OZC PowerStream (600 watts)

Test Phase 1

Increase load from 20% to 100% of nominal load limit

*Failed*

OZC PowerStream (600 watts)

Test Phase 2

Steady load at 100% nominal load 600 watts

*Failed*

Note from PC Power/Cooling CEO:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/07/11/stress_test/page23.html

Statement From PC Power & Cooling

We would like to take the opportunity of including a statement from CEO
of PC Power & Cooling that we just received.

An honest power supply rating is for CONTINUOUS operation at FULL LOAD.
24 hours is a very short test. There should be no complaints! A PSU
should actually run at full load for weeks and months with no problems.

The voltages and output ripple should be within ATX specs at full load.
The tests are NOT too tough. In fact, they're easy, because they are run
at nominal input line voltage and room temperature. I suggest that tests
be conducted at low line voltage and high line voltage using a variac.
These tests would demonstrate the PSU's input operating range and
whether or not the PSU could withstand the sags and surges in today's
world at full load.

Another legitimate test condition is to run the PSUs at full load with
the ambient temperature elevated about 15C to represent the real-life
condition in the computer, rather than the condition on the test bench
(many power supplies have exaggerated wattage claims based on low
ambient temperature assumptions). One more important test would be a
dynamic load test (instantaneous pulse of the +12V output). This would
demonstrate a PSU's ability to handle multiple hard drive access
(servers) or quick changes in CPU and video power loads (gaming PCs,
especially SLI).

In conclusion, the stress tests being conducted by Tom's Hardware are
more than fair. Products that do not pass should be redesigned or
de-rated to realistic power levels.

Doug Dodson, CEO, PC Power & Cooling


In the above from PCPC, I see some product design/engineering comments,
but no "we have not witnessed any problems in the field" "proactive"
bullshit. No hardware manufacturer has a zero percent defect
rate...certainly not OCZ, based on my direct observation.

HTH,

BC


PS: despite their "proactive" work, OCZ did not follow up on what the
problem with their units was, the solution, etc....
 
D

Doc

The Silencer series are actually made by Seasonic. Might as well buy a
Seasonic S12-600 instead.

I asked specifically if it was a rebadged Seasonic. According to the tech I
spoke with, this line is assembled by PCPC on premises, says the main board
has PCPC's name on it. She could be fibbing I suppose.
 
K

kony

I asked specifically if it was a rebadged Seasonic. According to the tech I
spoke with, this line is assembled by PCPC on premises, says the main board
has PCPC's name on it. She could be fibbing I suppose.


It's rather trivial to put a name on the silkscreen pattern,
and it doesn't really matter if it's made on-premises or
only spec'd by PC P&C and made by someone else.

Any remotely modern manufacturer (even those making the low
end generics) "could" make a high quality PSU. These are
not difficult things to build and quite often aren't even
double-sided boards. If PC P&C had someone else built it
that alone would not be a cause for concern, so long as the
result wasn't something made with inferior parts to save $$.
 
L

larry moe 'n curly

Doc said:
I asked specifically if it was a rebadged Seasonic. According to the tech I
spoke with, this line is assembled by PCPC on premises, says the main board
has PCPC's name on it. She could be fibbing I suppose.

Or she didn't really know because I once asked PCP&C if their PSUs were
designed to shut down safely if they overheated, and I was told that
they did not contain the circuitry to do this. I asked again soon
afterward and was told the opposite.

PCP&C models are based on designs from Zippy-Emacs, Fortron-Source,
Win-Tact, and Seasonic. I don't know who made the guts for that
particular PCP&C PSU, but I have seen one that had the double-S
Seasonic insignia printed on one of its transformers, and JonnyGuru.com
has mentioned that Seasonic is a PCP&C supplier.
 
G

Garrot

I asked specifically if it was a rebadged Seasonic. According to the tech I
spoke with, this line is assembled by PCPC on premises, says the main board
has PCPC's name on it. She could be fibbing I suppose.

PCPC don't make PSU's. They design PSU's. They get the parts from other PSU
manufaturer's. WinTact makes the Turbocools and Seasonic makes the Silencer
series, unles that has changed recently. I've been told that at both the
HardOCP and NCIX forums.
 

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