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larry moe 'n curly
UCLAN said:
I wouldn't doubt Jonny Guru (www.jonnyguru.com) or the photo somebody
else took of a Seasonic-made PCP&C.
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I wouldn't doubt Jonny Guru (www.jonnyguru.com) or the photo somebody
else took of a Seasonic-made PCP&C.
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UCLAN
Garrot said:PCPC don't make PSU's. They design PSU's. They get the parts from other PSU
manufaturer's. WinTact makes the Turbocools and Seasonic makes the Silencer
series, unles that has changed recently. I've been told that at both the
HardOCP and NCIX forums.
Interesting info, since up until 2000 (at least), Silencer models were
*the identical* PSU as was the Turbo Cool, only derated and with a
quiet fan. The Silencer 270 was a reworked Turbo Cool 300, the Silencer
350 was a reworked Turbo Cool 400, etc. Same manufacturer, same PSU.
Sometimes they didn't even bother to adjust to over current settings.
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UCLAN
Garrot said:Do your own research and then get back to us.
Live eight miles from the plant. Been there. On first name basis
with the owner, GM, chief engineer, VP of sales (until he retired.}
You?
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UCLAN
larry said:I wouldn't doubt Jonny Guru (www.jonnyguru.com) or the photo somebody
else took of a Seasonic-made PCP&C.
Do you have a URL where one can see this photo?
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Doc
UCLAN said:Do you have a URL where one can see this photo?
The tech I talked to advised me that some of their units are rebadged, but
others, such as the Silencer series are made on premises.
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kony
Interesting info, since up until 2000 (at least), Silencer models were
*the identical* PSU as was the Turbo Cool, only derated and with a
quiet fan. The Silencer 270 was a reworked Turbo Cool 300, the Silencer
350 was a reworked Turbo Cool 400, etc. Same manufacturer, same PSU.
Sometimes they didn't even bother to adjust to over current settings.
Fast forwarding to today, things have changed. Turbocool
475 is a significantly better PSU than Silencer 410. The
Silencer line has gone downhill and is a poor choice today.
For the same $ a better PSU comes from the other top tier
manufacturers.
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UCLAN
Doc said:The tech I talked to advised me that some of their units are rebadged, but
others, such as the Silencer series are made on premises.
Well, none of their products are 100% "made" on the premises. Some are
assembled from "guts" (pc boards, etc.) built elsewhere, and some are
built to their specification elsewhere. But *all* of their products get
some sort of final assembly, final inspection, final test, at their
Carlsbad, California, plant.
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UCLAN
kony said:Fast forwarding to today, things have changed. Turbocool
475 is a significantly better PSU than Silencer 410. The
Silencer line has gone downhill and is a poor choice today.
For the same $ a better PSU comes from the other top tier
manufacturers.
Gee, but I read here that Silencers are nothing more than
rebadged Seasonics. I thought Seasonic was quality PSU. <g>
[If you're going to "fast forward to today", you best use
today's products. The Silencer 410 has not been sold for
some time.] <g>
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Garrot
Live eight miles from the plant. Been there. On first name basis
with the owner, GM, chief engineer, VP of sales (until he retired.}
You?
Then you must know it is not a PSU manufaturing plant. There are no
American PSU manufacturing plants.
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Garrot
The tech I talked to advised me that some of their units are rebadged, but
others, such as the Silencer series are made on premises.
BS, they design them but they don't actully make the PSU's from scratch.
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JAD
Garrot said:Then you must know it is not a PSU manufaturing plant. There are no
American PSU manufacturing plants.
http://www.usstuff.com/comppwrs.htm
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Garrot
Yes, just as I said. Quoted from the url you provided.
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larry moe 'n curly
UCLAN said:Do you have a URL where one can see this photo?
No, but it may have shown up at BadCaps.net, Overclockers.com,
Overclockers.com.au, HardOCP.com, or a place that reviews PSUs and
opens them up.
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larry moe 'n curly
The tech I talked to advised me that some of their units are rebadged, but
others, such as the Silencer series are made on premises.
Exactly what do they mean by "made" on premises? Do they stuff
completely bare circuit boards there, or do they buy ready-made boards
and add cables and put them into cases?
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UCLAN
Garrot said:Then you must know it is not a PSU manufaturing plant. There are no
American PSU manufacturing plants.
Your point?
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UCLAN
larry said:Exactly what do they mean by "made" on premises? Do they stuff
completely bare circuit boards there, or do they buy ready-made boards
and add cables and put them into cases?
Some units are built from outsourced boards, and some units even
have the boards built into the chassis elsewhere. AFAIK, they have
NO PC board "stuffing" done on premises, but they modify a lot of
them in house. PC board inspection with solder touch-up is a major
value added benefit not occurring with other vendors.
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Garrot
Your point?
While they are good PSU's they are overpriced and no better than my
Seasonic S12-600. A company that actually makes PSU's from the ground up.
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kony
Gee, but I read here that Silencers are nothing more than
rebadged Seasonics. I thought Seasonic was quality PSU. <g>
Emphasis above should be on "For the same $".
They're reasonable quailty units, not junk by any stretch,
but overpriced relative to other alternatives.
[If you're going to "fast forward to today", you best use
today's products. The Silencer 410 has not been sold for
some time.] <g>
True, it hasn't been built for awhile (18 months?) but still
available. The 470 is essentially same thing... and here's
a pic of the 430W Seasonic version with the shorter 'sinks
and 120mm fan.
http://lp.pcmoddingmy.com/albums/userpics/10003/s1243020.jpg
and the 360, 410,
http://www.pcper.com/image.php?aid=51&img=Side-side1_big.jpg
and the silencer 470
http://www.pcpowerandcooling.com/products/assets/S47D/t_S47D_photo_02.jpg
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UCLAN
Garrot said:While they are good PSU's they are overpriced and no better than my
Seasonic S12-600. A company that actually makes PSU's from the ground up.
Which has nothing to do with your original comment. If a company sells
a better PSU, I care not if they don't make it from the ground up.
Nowhere previously were we discussing a 600w PSU.
My point, which you took exception to, was just because it said on
"JonnyGuru.com" that Seasonic was a PCP&C supplier, it is not
necessarily true. You replied: "Do your own research and then get
back to us.
What your Seasonic S12-600 has to do with this is beyond me. PCP&C
does not sell a "rebadged" S12-600 or anything resembling one.
The S12-600 sells for about the same price as the PCP&C Silencer 610
EPS12V (about $160.) Both are rated at 40 degrees C. Both have 100,000
hour MTBFs. Both have 3 year warranties. The PCP&C PSU has much more
12v power, while the Seasonic unit has much more 3.3v power. Both have
automatic input select, and both have .99 PFC. Both are 80%+ efficient.
So how is this PCP&C product (which has more power than your Seasonic
and is about the same price) overpriced?
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Garrot
Which has nothing to do with your original comment. If a company sells
a better PSU, I care not if they don't make it from the ground up.
Nowhere previously were we discussing a 600w PSU.
My point, which you took exception to, was just because it said on
"JonnyGuru.com" that Seasonic was a PCP&C supplier, it is not
necessarily true. You replied: "Do your own research and then get
back to us.
What your Seasonic S12-600 has to do with this is beyond me. PCP&C
does not sell a "rebadged" S12-600 or anything resembling one.
The S12-600 sells for about the same price as the PCP&C Silencer 610
EPS12V (about $160.) Both are rated at 40 degrees C. Both have 100,000
hour MTBFs. Both have 3 year warranties. The PCP&C PSU has much more
12v power, while the Seasonic unit has much more 3.3v power. Both have
automatic input select, and both have .99 PFC. Both are 80%+ efficient.
So how is this PCP&C product (which has more power than your Seasonic
and is about the same price) overpriced?
I shop in Canada and up here the PCP&C TC 510 Express is $227.61 CAD plus
they use 80mm fans. They don't carry the Silencer 610. They only have the
470 Silencer @$116.63 CAD. The Seasonic S12-600 is $168.99 and uses a 120mm
fan. I like 120mm fans as they are quieter and move more air. Using the
word Silencer and an 80mm fan doesn't jive either. As you can see the
Seasonic is the better buy for me.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?majorcatid=100&minorcatid=1066
Perhaps the Silencer series is not made by Seasonic but they are not made
by PCP&C either. Seeing as you have an inside line why don't you tell us
who makes them then? I was told Fortron used to make them and now Seasonic
does. BTW, this could have all been cleared up by PCP&C months ago because
I emailed them asking for more details on this exact issue. They chose to
ignore my email. Would you buy a PSU from a company that ignores your
email? I don't.
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