Why Vista is great - and people need to stop looking for things...

K

Ken Blake, MVP

Adam said:
The proable reason many MVP's top post is it is marginally faster,
(saves a second or two) often they aren't actually reading the post


The reason many MVPs top post is because they think it's the better to way
to post, just as the reason many non-MVPs top-post is because they think
it's the better way to post.

The reason many other MVPs bottom-post (or inline post), as I do, is because
we think it's the better way to post, just as the reason many non-MVPs
bottom-post or inline post is because they think it's the better way to
post.

People are different and have different points of views on things. That's
true with MVPs, who are an extremely varied bunch of people, just as it is
with everyone else. I have my own strong feelings on how to post, but that
doesn't mean that I feel it necessary to work to convince others that they
have to do it my way.
 
J

Justin

Gordon said:
But chapter one comes BEFORE chapter 2.

Wow. You seriously can't follow this can you? Chapter 1 comes before
chapter 2 because the question is in the PRIOR POST! When you open a new
thread what do you do? Go to the very last post and expect everything to be
there? Read the previous posts!

Post 1 - Chapter 1 - Question
Post 2 - Chapter 2 - Answer

Think think think!
Um no, READ THE PREVIOUS POST.
Um no, READ THE PREVIOUS POST.
It goes
Question
Answer
Very good, skippy! That exactly what top posting gets you only without
having to use the mouse scroll wheel!
NOT
Answer
Question
Neither form of posting get's you this. Think think think!

Which is what happens when you top post.
If you can't understand anything that simple then you must be VERY simple
yourself. As in moronic.

Which is NOT happens when you top post. If you can't understand anything
that simple then you must be VERY simple yourself. As in moronic.
 
J

Justin

Adam Albright said:
You clueless idiot how can anybody with even just two active brain
cells pretend what you ADDED to the top of the thread should be read
before what was there earlier?

Simple, had you had two active brain cells then you would have read the
prior posts and not ASSumed that the entire thread was archived which is a
HUMONGOUS WASTE OF SPACE.

The rest of your post was just gibberish.
 
E

Eric

Adam Albright said:
What dumbass rereads what he's already read?

The reason 99% of people all across Usenet bottom post is IF they are
following a thread they simply pick up where they left off. To make a
analogy where you're reading a 300 page book, you stop at some point,
then when you start reading again you CONTINUE where you left off, be
that on page 50 or page 200. Every book I've ever picked up has page
50 AHEAD of page 200. Not the other way around.

You're half-ass idea implies people return to page one (the top) or
start of a book or thread, which is looney if they've already read
earlier posts in a newsgroup thread as well. Only fools try to justify
such nonsense.
If you're responding to something that only applies to part of a post, you
clip off what doesn't apply, so someone who hasn't read every other post in
the thread just before reading that post won't bother reading something that
has nothing to do with your post. If someone already knows what you're
talking about they'll scroll past it. If they don't and you top post,
they'd have to scroll down through and read that, then scroll back up and
read or re-read what you wrote so it makes sense.

If you're reading a 300 page book and stop on page 200, and start reading
again 2 months later, you'll probably want to re-read or skim some of the
book before the point where you left off. If that top poster starts reading
a 300 page book, he tears off each page after reading it...
 
J

Justin

Leythos said:
Top posting in Usenet is nothing like email - in email you are working
with a known person(s) and they already understand your thread.

Ha! Another prime example of your real world experience. Email's can
contain MANY active participants. Try again.
In usenet many people don't get all the parts of a thread, don't start at
the first post as it could have expired on their server...

This was already explained. Go back and read.
 
J

Justin

Adam Albright said:
The reason 99% of people all across Usenet bottom post is IF they are

Please link us to that statistic you just pull out of your rear.
following a thread they simply pick up where they left off. To make a
analogy where you're reading a 300 page book, you stop at some point,
then when you start reading again you CONTINUE where you left off, be
that on page 50 or page 200. Every book I've ever picked up has page
50 AHEAD of page 200. Not the other way around.

Very good, idiot. You stop at the POST in which you stop then start again
on the next POST. ASSuming everyone is archiving the entire thread is
ignorance.
You're half-ass idea implies people return to page one (the top) or

Half assed? Did you even bother to read the provided link?


As usually, the rest of your post was gibberish that was already discussed
OVER AND OVER AND OVER.....again.
 
L

Leythos

Ha! Another prime example of your real world experience. Email's can
contain MANY active participants. Try again.

Ha, another prime example of you not understanding anything except
trolling and Zealotry.

What part of "known person(s)" did you not understand - notice the (s),
that's a standard method of saying persons.
This was already explained. Go back and read.

Then why reply.
 
J

Justin

Eric said:
If that top poster starts reading a 300 page book, he tears off each page
after reading it...

That's not true at all. If this 2 month old post still exists then so do
all the other posts. Read all the posts in order.

This again goes towards preference. Either way, BOTH methods work just
fine. I have no problem reading this thread and neither do you. Obviously!
We are all doing both and we can all understand the entire thread!

Based on that fact, there's no problem other then bottom posters do nothing
but cry like babies while top posters doesn't care what people do!

I guess that makes bottom posters children and top posters adults.
Generally speaking of course.

http://unbreakable-blog.blogspot.com/2006/04/top-posting-vs-bottom-posting-case.html


Or maybe you would like more proof? Let's take eric's, adam's, leythos's
and gordon's posts for example. None of their posts mean ANYTHING to anyone
without first having to read all the previous posts. None of you retain ALL
the information from a thread in each post so you ABSOLUTELY MUST go back
and read the entire thread form the beginning. So your main argument is
null and void.
 
C

caver1

Gordon said:
Well THAT is what you do when you top-post you dork. The answer to the
question is written ABOVE the question. What a dumbass.

Most people like to read the question (or whatever you are replying to and
THEN read the answer or reply to it underneath, not the other way round.

Doh!


Some think they are on Jeopardy. :)
 
J

Justin

Leythos said:
Ha, another prime example of you not understanding anything except
trolling and Zealotry.

Wow, good one. Here's a pat on the back for you.
What part of "known person(s)" did you not understand - notice the (s),
that's a standard method of saying persons.

You are correct. I missed your (s). Another difference between us. I can
admit when wrong. However now that I see your (s), you are full of it for
another reason. You assume in a business setting that everyone knows
everyone else? That's ridiculous! That is not always the case.
Then why reply.

You're the one that made a comment that was already proven false. Quit
wasting server space!
 
A

Adam Albright

It's also the default behaviour of Outlook Express, which can't be changed
except by a Registry hack.........

Anybody that uses Outlook Express to access newsgroups isn't being
very smart or realistic considering how many vastly superior feature
rich alternatives there are, including several good free ones.

Hint: Outlook Express was not originally designed to be a newsreader
which may explain why it doesn't work very well. It seems MVP loyalty
extends to ridicilous levels. Why anyone that wants to be known as
"professional" insists on using crude outdated tools, beats me.
 
J

Justin

Leythos said:
Justin, you appear to just be a zealot and don't seem to believe that
Vista could present proplems that are Vista and not other OS problems.

That couldn't be farther from the truth. I know very specific problems of
which Vista is at fault. However that has absolutely nothing to do with
your lame test. Attempting to put Vista on "faster" hardware and not
noticing an increase in performance is a lame, uncontrolled and pointless
test. If you think for one second that your test proves anything then you
absolutely do not:
I probably know hardware better then you and certainly know systems better
than you
At least you used the word probably. Otherwise you would be making a rather
bonehead ASSumption that usually gets people in trouble.
I still can't see a justification for Vista, certainly there
is no ROI for business.

Of course you don't. I doubt your ability to put real numbers together.
You probably don't even know what Vista Business actually costs businesses.
If you say $199 or $299, while you'd be correct, you would also most
definitely be on the bottom of the totem pole. According to my supplier
businesses can expect to pay between $87 to $285 for Vista Business in VL
scenarios.

Keep in mind I'm making these comments because you make general statements.
You say there is "no ROI for business" instead of saying there is no ROI for
MY business. Please explain to us how you are in constant communications
with ALL business, ALL the time. As for your "justification", I already
gave you plenty of that in another post.
 
E

Eric

Adam Albright said:
Anybody that uses Outlook Express to access newsgroups isn't being
very smart or realistic considering how many vastly superior feature
rich alternatives there are, including several good free ones.

Hint: Outlook Express was not originally designed to be a newsreader
which may explain why it doesn't work very well. It seems MVP loyalty
extends to ridicilous levels. Why anyone that wants to be known as
"professional" insists on using crude outdated tools, beats me.
I use OE and I am smart and realistic.
I just don't care if there is a better reader out there because this one
came with Windows.
I'm too lazy to search for a better reader, and too cheap to pay for one.
 
A

Adam Albright

The reason many MVPs top post is because they think it's the better to way
to post, just as the reason many non-MVPs top-post is because they think
it's the better way to post.

If so many MVP's are this ignorant and/or rude on long established
posting etiquette practiced in tens of thousands of non Microsoft
newsgroups, why should anyone accept their creditability on what
they're commenting on? Perhaps you noticed, I don't take them too
seriously. I bet I'm not the only one. <wink>

The point I've made and others too that have long experience posting
to Usenet, not just some little backwater Microsoft hangout like this,
is we know full well what's practiced here is the EXCEPTION. You go
outside the tiny little Microsoft world of newsgroups, the exact
opposite is the norm. People posting to the wider Usenet universe
quickly get labeled as boneheads when they top post and for good
reason.

The point that zooms far over the head of top posers here is you are
paddling upsteam. If the purpose of groups like this is to simply
enage in endless praise of Microsoft and for MVP's to pat each other
on the back trying to sell everybody on how clever they are then you
miss the reason WHY Microsoft set up these newsgroups in the first
place.

Hint: For their CUSTOMERS! Not for self-absorbed blowhards which sadly
in groups such as this is often overrun with. So if the purpose of
groups like this is to help users of Windows, why start off
antagonizing so many of us by doing things that serve YOU as opposed
to helping the people you're suppose to be here for?
 
A

Adam Albright

I'm too lazy to search for a better reader, and too cheap to pay for one.

Well, as long as you admit it. Me too with Agent, I'm several versions
behind. LOL!
 
J

Justin

Adam Albright said:
Anybody that uses Outlook Express to access newsgroups isn't being
very smart or realistic considering how many vastly superior feature
rich alternatives there are, including several good free ones.

Because using TWO apps instead of one is much more productive! You say the
dumbest things...

Just because you wouldn't doesn't mean others shouldn't.
 

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