Why Vista is great - and people need to stop looking for things...

[Guest]

to complain about!

Wow, do you people love to complain about great products. Go ahead, stop
your crying if you don't like Vista. Nobody is forcing you to buy it. Go use
a "wonderful" Mac, or use Linux and see where you get.

I'm sick of ignorant people bashing a great product. WHY? Because you've 1)
probably never used it, and have heard some kid who probably tried to pirate
a copy complain about something 2) think that YOU should obtain main years of
hard work in the form of software - FREE (go use Linux, you'll see the
quality of programming and level of hardware and software support for that
OS... it has NO place on a Home Desktop system -- web server? Sure) 3) You
just like looking for things to complain about and are afraid of change.

Get over yourselves! Vista by FAR is the best OS to date, bar none. There
are no hugely glaring issues, and hopefully IT WILL force people with dated
hardwar eto upgrade... its good for the industry and consumer as a whole
incase some of you cannot see the larger picture here instead of your "right
here, right now" crying nonsense.

Get with the program. Either enjoy the best OS created to date, or get lost
and use whatever else you want. Go cry somewhere else... for the rest of the
people also who might actually ENJOY Vista, don't ruin it for them with your
BS and 'cause Microsoft to lose out on a sale because you're talking from
your nether regions.

Get real... Vista is awesome.

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[John C Harris]

Well said

 

[Zim Babwe]

Your Psychiatrist called. He said you need to come back to the asylum by
late afternoon or else they would send out a search party.

Vista is full of holes, very frustrating to use (used since November) and I
can see why most people want to throw it in the trash. I do have some
problems with it and I much prefer XP.

 

[Alias]

Well said

But did the OP have to say it three times?

Alias

 

[Richard Urban]

Attach the install key before you throw it in the trash please. Oh, and post
where you live.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Alias]

Attach the install key before you throw it in the trash please. Oh, and
post where you live.

I thought you were Internet savvy. He lives in Calabasas, California, USA.

Alias

 

[Justin]

Vista is "frustrating" to unreasonable people. The rest get by fine. I
wouldn't worry about the few knuckleheads in this NG that complain about
Vista. They're what? .000000001% of the population? They are literally
and mathematically NOTHING.

 

[Saucy]

I thought you were Internet savvy. He lives in Calabasas, California, USA.

Alias

But not necessarily at 26565 AGOURA Rd.

 

[Leythos]

Get over yourselves! Vista by FAR is the best OS to date, bar none. There
are no hugely glaring issues, and hopefully IT WILL force people with dated
hardwar eto upgrade... its good for the industry and consumer as a whole
incase some of you cannot see the larger picture here instead of your "right
here, right now" crying nonsense.

You've not used vista if you believe that.

I run an IT company, we provide services for small to large business all
across the US. I can assure you that none of those clients will be
moving their production machines to Vista any time soon.

While almost ever computer we/they have purchased in the last year has
been a 1GB, P4/3.2ghz hyper threaded or Dual Core, machine, there is no
reason to move to Vista at this time.

Vista over XP provides more memory use than XP, more CPU use than XP,
and that all before you do anything. Vista on the same hardware (and I'm
talking 1GB or more RAM, P4 3.2ghz CPU, 512MB Video card, is just slow
when sitting side by side with XP Prof on the EXACT SAME HARDWARE.

It's not complaining, it's a fact.

It's not some review by someone that isn't using Vista, heck, I'm typing
this with Vista sitting here running my Usenet client, and it's an older
clients, and Vista is using 811MB RAM, and both CPU's are showing 4-17%
CPU load, while I'm typing text.

Oh, yea, lets not forget applications. All of them run slower, and that
means Office 2003 Prof, and I won't even go into Office 2007.

GuildWars plays so laggy that I can't play it reasonably, but, on teh
EXACT same hardware (swap drives) it runs fast under XP.

So, tell me, and be specific, what makes Vista the BEST OS EVER?

 

[n00k]

You've not used vista if you believe that.

I run an IT company, we provide services for small to large business all
across the US. I can assure you that none of those clients will be
moving their production machines to Vista any time soon.

While almost ever computer we/they have purchased in the last year has
been a 1GB, P4/3.2ghz hyper threaded or Dual Core, machine, there is no
reason to move to Vista at this time.

Vista over XP provides more memory use than XP, more CPU use than XP,
and that all before you do anything. Vista on the same hardware (and I'm
talking 1GB or more RAM, P4 3.2ghz CPU, 512MB Video card, is just slow
when sitting side by side with XP Prof on the EXACT SAME HARDWARE.

It's not complaining, it's a fact.

It's not some review by someone that isn't using Vista, heck, I'm typing
this with Vista sitting here running my Usenet client, and it's an older
clients, and Vista is using 811MB RAM, and both CPU's are showing 4-17%
CPU load, while I'm typing text.

Oh, yea, lets not forget applications. All of them run slower, and that
means Office 2003 Prof, and I won't even go into Office 2007.

GuildWars plays so laggy that I can't play it reasonably, but, on teh
EXACT same hardware (swap drives) it runs fast under XP.

So, tell me, and be specific, what makes Vista the BEST OS EVER?

I have Vista installed and don't see NEAR the CPU/Memory loads your
getting, there MUST be something quarky going on. I'm on an ASUS A8N-SLI
Deluxe, Athlon X2 64 4800+ CPU, 3gigs OCZ DDR RAM, Radeon X1300 512meg
video card. Not sure if it would make a difference, but I did a clean
install. You've got something going on there man. Not just Vista.

 

[Justin]

is just slow when sitting side by side with XP Prof on the EXACT SAME
HARDWARE.
It's not complaining, it's a fact.

My machine runs FASTER with Vista on it versus XP. That's EXACT SAME
HARDWARE. So there is something very wrong with your non-factual fact. You
should have purchased better hardware for your customers. Also as an IT
company "runner" you should know better then this. Obviously the rest of
the world doesn't share your piss poor driver issues. While some do, that
doesn't mean you should throw around bogus non-factual claims. YOUR
experience is not everyone's experience. YOUR inability to put together a
decent Vista machine is no ones problem but your own.

If you expect non-updated apps to run perfect on a new OS then please
provide your IT company info so the world can steer clear of you.

 

[Leythos]

I have Vista installed and don't see NEAR the CPU/Memory loads your
getting, there MUST be something quarky going on. I'm on an ASUS A8N-SLI
Deluxe, Athlon X2 64 4800+ CPU, 3gigs OCZ DDR RAM, Radeon X1300 512meg
video card. Not sure if it would make a difference, but I did a clean
install. You've got something going on there man. Not just Vista.

Shows the same on 3 different computers.

 

[Leythos]

My machine runs FASTER with Vista on it versus XP. That's EXACT SAME
HARDWARE. So there is something very wrong with your non-factual fact. You
should have purchased better hardware for your customers.

Better hardware, not really available, we always purchase the top Intel
boards and CPU and RAM for machines, so in your limited experience
you've found something that works, while my larger experience base shows
that Vista is a resource hog.

Also as an IT
company "runner" you should know better then this. Obviously the rest of
the world doesn't share your piss poor driver issues. While some do, that
doesn't mean you should throw around bogus non-factual claims.

"The rest of the world doesn't..." then you say "Some do..."

Well, it's a fact that Vista uses more resources that XP, even MS can
tell you this. And it's another fact that many apps that run under XP
have problems running under Vista (but we expect that), and it's another
fact that many modern devices don't have vista drivers or have badly
implemented vista drivers - but we expect that.

YOUR
experience is not everyone's experience. YOUR inability to put together a
decent Vista machine is no ones problem but your own.

Ah, but you are mistaken. Your being lucky enough to have a machine that
runs Vista quickly is not the norm, it's the exception currently. Unless
the computer (and notice that I said purchased in the last year, P4
3.2Ghz - or Dual Core, 1GB+ RAM, 512MB Video as a typical machine) your
running has never run XP then you don't really know what the heck you
are talking about.

My experience with many vista conversions, from a wiped drive, leaves me
to believe we should stick with XP until there is a requirement to
change to Vista, which will also mean a minimum of a Core 2 Duo CPU.

If you expect non-updated apps to run perfect on a new OS then please
provide your IT company info so the world can steer clear of you.

Non-Updated apps? What the heck are you talking about? MS Office 2003 is
not old, and office 2007 has only been out a very short time.

Stop taking it personally, it's been this way with every new OS that MS
has produced, each one is slower than the OS it replaces, only the
hardware catches up to make it faster.

 

[Alias]

Better hardware, not really available, we always purchase the top Intel
boards and CPU and RAM for machines, so in your limited experience
you've found something that works, while my larger experience base shows
that Vista is a resource hog.


"The rest of the world doesn't..." then you say "Some do..."

Well, it's a fact that Vista uses more resources that XP, even MS can
tell you this. And it's another fact that many apps that run under XP
have problems running under Vista (but we expect that), and it's another
fact that many modern devices don't have vista drivers or have badly
implemented vista drivers - but we expect that.


Ah, but you are mistaken. Your being lucky enough to have a machine that
runs Vista quickly is not the norm, it's the exception currently. Unless
the computer (and notice that I said purchased in the last year, P4
3.2Ghz - or Dual Core, 1GB+ RAM, 512MB Video as a typical machine) your
running has never run XP then you don't really know what the heck you
are talking about.

My experience with many vista conversions, from a wiped drive, leaves me
to believe we should stick with XP until there is a requirement to
change to Vista, which will also mean a minimum of a Core 2 Duo CPU.


Non-Updated apps? What the heck are you talking about? MS Office 2003 is
not old, and office 2007 has only been out a very short time.

Stop taking it personally, it's been this way with every new OS that MS
has produced, each one is slower than the OS it replaces, only the
hardware catches up to make it faster.

Leythos, I agree with you 100%. Fortunately, there a millions who will
be the guinea pigs for the general release testing. Software and
hardware vendors will catch up, there will be a service pack, and it
will be time for Vista. One thing I predict will be altered is UAC so MS
can go back to being Big Brother instead of Big Mother.

Alias

 

[boe]

I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. I have a lot of clients actually
asking me to install Vista for them and although I could charge for the
time, I will NOT install it though. I may in a few months but right now I
get far too many complaints from the people who purchased new computers with
the OS already installed. I'm not saying Vista is a lost cause but right
now it is just isn't ready to be released. I think the boxed edition
available at the store is possibly a Beta 3 or at most RC1.

 

[Adam Albright]

Well said

Microsoft loves people like you and Cody because you've been
conditioned to accept 'good enough' as good as it gets. That's the
same business model that is bringing down Ford, General Motors and
Chrysler and why very soon Toyota will be the number two auto maker.

Sadly no other company that could is breathing down Microsoft's back
and giving them some competition so they have no motivation to produce
QUALITY software. So they give consumers a song and dance and many
seem perfectly happy to dance to that pipper's tune. I keep wondering
why.

 

[Adam Albright]

Vista is "frustrating" to unreasonable people. The rest get by fine. I
wouldn't worry about the few knuckleheads in this NG that complain about
Vista. They're what? .000000001% of the population? They are literally
and mathematically NOTHING.

Your heard mentality duly noted. Followers get by, leaders lead. If
nobody pointed out shortcomings you'd still be running DOS at some
dopey command prompt.

 

[n00k]

I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. I have a lot of clients actually
asking me to install Vista for them and although I could charge for the
time, I will NOT install it though. I may in a few months but right now I
get far too many complaints from the people who purchased new computers with
the OS already installed. I'm not saying Vista is a lost cause but right
now it is just isn't ready to be released. I think the boxed edition
available at the store is possibly a Beta 3 or at most RC1.

You've not used vista if you believe that.

I run an IT company, we provide services for small to large business all
across the US. I can assure you that none of those clients will be
moving their production machines to Vista any time soon.

While almost ever computer we/they have purchased in the last year has
been a 1GB, P4/3.2ghz hyper threaded or Dual Core, machine, there is no
reason to move to Vista at this time.

Vista over XP provides more memory use than XP, more CPU use than XP,
and that all before you do anything. Vista on the same hardware (and I'm
talking 1GB or more RAM, P4 3.2ghz CPU, 512MB Video card, is just slow
when sitting side by side with XP Prof on the EXACT SAME HARDWARE.

It's not complaining, it's a fact.

It's not some review by someone that isn't using Vista, heck, I'm typing
this with Vista sitting here running my Usenet client, and it's an older
clients, and Vista is using 811MB RAM, and both CPU's are showing 4-17%
CPU load, while I'm typing text.

Oh, yea, lets not forget applications. All of them run slower, and that
means Office 2003 Prof, and I won't even go into Office 2007.

GuildWars plays so laggy that I can't play it reasonably, but, on teh
EXACT same hardware (swap drives) it runs fast under XP.

So, tell me, and be specific, what makes Vista the BEST OS EVER?

Can anyone explain to me why the user experiences seem to be so widely
different. You have people installing who have nothing but trouble and
you have people, like me, who don't have any trouble. Not to say I WON'T
have any, but as it goes so far, it's running like a champ! What is the
factor that makes the user experience go this way? Hardware? Software?
Id10T Error?

 

[Saucy]

Quite trolling. Get a life.

 

[Jeffrey S. Sparks]

I would think that if Vista was as bad (and will admit I don't agree that it
is bad since i have been running it for awhile now on two different
machines) as some people in here say it is that you would be seeing a run on
all the stores that are selling it especially on the computers they are
selling it on... I haven't seen any articles of anything like that or that
masses of people are pissed off at their new computers...


I must say I find these posts going back and forth (vista is great or vista
is terrible) quite entertaining though. Expecially when both sides start
quoting the equipment they have. I remember the guys back in high school
doing something similar.


So please, don't stop!

Jeff