Why Vista is great - and people need to stop looking for things...

[Alias]

Did you go to your MOBO's web site and check for issues with your
particular product before upgrading? did you read any FAQ's that may
be out there on your products? Did you read reviews of how your MOBO
performed under Vista? etc etc etc.

Did you even read my prior posts?

VUA is just a simple starting point and you can't always rely on a
logo. You must make an effort and research each and every piece of
equipment in your system prior or upgrading. Or just wait for a
flawless OS to be released and hardware manufactures to make solid
drivers for everything they make.

People will have issues as I said there is always an exception....but
the more you research the less chance for an issue to arise.

If you can't find any information on any hardware that is in your
system.....then don't upgrade! simple

So, what, a dozen hardware configurations work with Vista and all others
don't? Heh. I'd say wait until all the parties concerned get their
compatibilities worked out and the jury's in on whether Vista is the Me
of NT, the jury being, natch, the guinea pigs like Justin who can't buy
enough Vista licenses and gets a h@rdon when a new driver beta is released.

Alias

 

[Charles W Davis]

What part of consumer law that producers of products have a legal
responsibility to do what they claim don't you understand? You need to
get it out of your head that companies that develop software are
entitled to some special exclusions or some half-ass excuses, like all
software is buggy or oh, thanks for telling us about those bugs, maybe
we'll fix them later to wiggle out of their obligations. THEY ARE NOT
SPECIAL under the law.

OK already, I'll stop pounding you over the head with facts. If you
want to pretend you won the argument, please pretend.

Everyone likes to bash the programmer. I started programming in 1957. After
months of testing a, for instance, utility billing system with 20,000 lines
of code, might still contain bugs that didn't appear until certain external
situations occurred that were not anticipated. Think of the task of writing
testing 45,000,000 lines of code. In the case of the MOBO that you were
referring to. How many different disk drives attached to it during test is
enough? 5 different brands with two models each? 10 different brands with 5
different models each? How many of the legacy models must be tested. Should
they set up a test case for a model that only sold 5,000 units back in
1999? The external situations probably exceed the lines of code.

A fact: I have had to move an old scanner to my Windows XP Pro system, but
other than that my Windows Vista Ultimate system has performed as asked.
That doesn't mean that I have tried and used all aspects of the system. I
never will. After I probably never used most of the routines and features of
the Windows XP Pro system that was replaced by the Vista system (not an
upgrade).

I am a "happy camper."

 

[Justin]

So, what, a dozen hardware configurations work with Vista and all others
don't?

More lies from alias. Please provide links to back up your numbers. Or did
you pull these from where the sun don't shine once again?

Heh. I'd say wait until all the parties concerned get their
compatibilities worked out

So no one should buy Vista until:

1. You say so? I think not.
2. Everyone is 100% compatible? So don't buy any other OS either then
right? I think not.

and the jury's in on whether Vista is the Me of NT

The Jury is in, where have you been?

Justin who can't buy enough Vista licenses and gets a h@rdon when a new
driver beta is released.

More lies from alias. Is that all you are capable of? Lying? I have
enough Vista licenses for now as for your perverted comment, grow up little
boy.

 

[Justin]

What part of consumer law that producers of products have a legal
responsibility to do what they claim don't you understand?

Does your mainboard run Vista? Yes. Case closed again.

You have a feature that is not working. You have a few options:

1. Deal with it.
2. Return the mainboard as it does not adhere to your expectations.
3. Wait for a driver update to fix the problematic feature.

4. You could always talk to a lawyer. But I'm guessing you'll get nowhere
with that one and for good reason.

Just because something passes logo certification does make the product free
from defect. Logo certification is not perfect. That's why we have
warranties and satisfaction guarantees. If you bought your mainboard long
before you could get your hands on Vista and are now outside of your
warranty/guarantee then...your bad. That wasn't very smart.

 

[Peter Foldes]

Doesn't take much to get you going Justin. LOL

 

[Adam Albright]

Everyone likes to bash the programmer. I started programming in 1957. After
months of testing a, for instance, utility billing system with 20,000 lines
of code, might still contain bugs that didn't appear until certain external
situations occurred that were not anticipated.

Being a programmer myself, I don't do that. I blame Microsoft for
rushing Vista out the door unfinished and not really tested for the
most basic of reasons: GREED.

Think of the task of writing
testing 45,000,000 lines of code.

You being a programmer got to known that is a big part of the problem.
One single programmer couldn't possibly write or know how 45,000,000
lines of code would react with each other under every possible
situation in the real world. Windows is bloated. It took maybe a few
hundred thousand lines of code to PUT MEN ON THE MOON and get them
back safely, why should it takes tens of millions of lines of code to
control a text document or play a damn video without stumbling?

In the case of the MOBO that you were
referring to. How many different disk drives attached to it during test is
enough? 5 different brands with two models each? 10 different brands with 5
different models each? How many of the legacy models must be tested. Should
they set up a test case for a model that only sold 5,000 units back in
1999? The external situations probably exceed the lines of code.

You missed the point. The MB was Vista Certifed. Either that statement
is bogus or the process that certifies Vista runs properly on it is
useless. Take your pick.

I am a "happy camper."

Good. I'm happy too. I'm happy I'm not a easily tricked fan boy. I
much rather be seen as a old grump that speaks frankly then some phony
that worships at the Microsoft throne. Just so it is clear, I'm not
referring to you. Rather the fan boys that remain blind to reality and
infest this newsgroup that rather blindly cheer then be objective.

 

[Adam Albright]

Does your mainboard run Vista? Yes. Case closed again.

We established you were a fool weeks ago Justin. You're now saying if
any MB is able to boot into Vista, it passes the testing?

That reminds of my final physical exam before getting drafted way back
in 1965. Some crusty old DI said if you were able to walk into this
room, you passed your physical.

You have a feature that is not working. You have a few options:

1. Deal with it.
2. Return the mainboard as it does not adhere to your expectations.
3. Wait for a driver update to fix the problematic feature.
4. You could always talk to a lawyer. But I'm guessing you'll get nowhere
with that one and for good reason.

Your ignorance was also established weeks ago. But what the heck,
dance for us pretending you're also a expert on the law like you
pretend to be expert on everything else.

Just because something passes logo certification does make the product free
from defect. Logo certification is not perfect. That's why we have
warranties and satisfaction guarantees. If you bought your mainboard long
before you could get your hands on Vista and are now outside of your
warranty/guarantee then...your bad. That wasn't very smart.

Again trying to build a strawman. Heck, you can't even do that well.

 

[Justin]

You can put your usual crap spin on it all you want. You can draw all the
false conclusions you want. None of it will change the fact that your MB is
VISTA READY and you have NO legal actions to take on the vendor as you hint
to in your post regarding the LAW.

To answer your question though, NO adam that is NOT what I'm saying. But I
can see how YOU would come to such a conclusion.

So, unless you can draft a decent response to my post, all my comments still
stand:

What part of consumer law that producers of products have a legal
responsibility to do what they claim don't you understand?

Does your mainboard run Vista? Yes. Case closed again.

You have a feature that is not working. You have a few options:

1. Deal with it.
2. Return the mainboard as it does not adhere to your expectations.
3. Wait for a driver update to fix the problematic feature.

4. You could always talk to a lawyer. But I'm guessing you'll get nowhere
with that one and for good reason.

Just because something passes logo certification does make the product free
from defect. Logo certification is not perfect. That's why we have
warranties and satisfaction guarantees. If you bought your mainboard long
before you could get your hands on Vista and are now outside of your
warranty/guarantee then...your bad. That wasn't very smart.

 

[Adam Albright]

Doesn't take much to get you going Justin. LOL

Justin: http://www.energizerbunnystore.com/eng2/Elements/d182.JPG

 

[Adam Albright]

You can put your usual crap spin on it all you want.

As usual you serve as newsgroup mascot and provide some minimal
entertainment value.

You can draw all the false conclusions you want. None of it will change the fact that your MB is
VISTA READY and you have NO legal actions to take on the vendor as you hint
to in your post regarding the LAW.

You can't read very well can you. I made no mention of taking legal
action, I simply reminded people your lack of knowledge on the law is
equal to your lack of knowledge on everything else you insist on
posting about.

Have you considered a career change? You would make a mighty find used
car salesman. Spreading bullshit seems to come naturally to you.

 

[Jdr]

This is very interesting development...

"Users force Dell to resurrect XP
Customers have forced PC maker Dell to reverse a policy to stop installing
Windows XP on new machines."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6575089.stm

BTW... Windows IE 7 has very bad habit to create an error and closing
program.
I think by now it should have a FIX... but nothing on the horizon so
far...-

 

[David A. Spicer]

Users are not always correct, but since they are also consumers...the
customer is always right.

 

[Ashton Crusher]

Hello... Go to the Gigabyte web site, look at the pretty Vista
certified logo on the motherboard I bought

Which motherboard?


that claims the MB under

 

[Justin]

This is very interesting development...

"Users force Dell to resurrect XP
Customers have forced PC maker Dell to reverse a policy to stop installing
Windows XP on new machines."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6575089.stm

BTW... Windows IE 7 has very bad habit to create an error and closing
program.
I think by now it should have a FIX... but nothing on the horizon so
far...-

What error?

I can understand on one level that it would be cheaper to offer only Vista
versus both for a company however that cost would surly be justified with
the sales. I do not see why they discontinued XP as quickly as they did.
Even when XP was released they still offered 98 and 2000 for a while.

 

[Jdr]

What error?

I can understand on one level that it would be cheaper to offer only Vista
versus both for a company however that cost would surly be justified with
the sales. I do not see why they discontinued XP as quickly as they did.
Even when XP was released they still offered 98 and 2000 for a while.

Precisely... perhaps Dell didn't want to embarrass Microsoft?

As for error - it's not specified...

 

[Jdr]

....-

Users are not always correct, but since they are also consumers...the
customer is always right.

 

[Guest]

Many replie but i will had mine...

I am partially agree with you.

Where i have trouble i why after (supposly) 5 years, and near 2 millions
beta user we still lack of functionnality to mange our hardrive?

A simple rename tool will be a minimum.!!!!

why synchtoy is not part of the OS?

The indexing tool is great idea but it is really basic, The interface is poor.

The folder architecture work nice but could we have something that will give
us more flexibility.


I would love to have a clone where only the foler structure is copy not the
content.

The same clone will create the same folder structure but with shortcut to
original document has the content of the folder

Flat the folder structure

Save search result seem good idea but why the search need to research again
everytime i get back to my result. Files should be append to the search
result in real time.

The list could go on...

here another simple one

Duplicate files finder. Base on multiple criteria, file name size, content
etc....

Please R&D at Microsoft give use acess to those tools that you keep for our
yourself. Anyway we are use to serve has beta tester, it seem that is the
norm to let user test software before making final reales and make them paid
for that program even if they have done the testing for the developper.

This i another topic that i will reserve for later......