Why Vista is great - and people need to stop looking for things...

[Justin]

But you can right?

So is this an extension of how YOU use more software then me? YOU use
better hardware then me?

Your ego is through the roof!

 

[Justin]

I see people do both on every single NG I've ever read. So once again, your
statistic came from you rear.

I agree, you probably aren't the only idiot that wouldn't take them
seriously over preference.

Only bottom posters cry like babies. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! I want the
internet MY WAY!!!!!!! I'm too closed minded to accept RESEARCH that proves
what we're doing in unproductive and I refuse to change!!!!
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

By all means, keep whining though! It's very entertaining.

 

[Leythos]

Keep in mind I'm making these comments because you make general statements.
You say there is "no ROI for business" instead of saying there is no ROI for
MY business.

If you actually used XP before Vista, and you were doing business, and XP
was meeting the need, then you can't possibly justify upgrading to vista
on ROI, Vista doesn't give any of your existing apps anything they didn't
already have.

 

[Bill Sharpe]

Well THAT is what you do when you top-post you dork. The answer to the
question is written ABOVE the question. What a dumbass.

Most people like to read the question (or whatever you are replying to and
THEN read the answer or reply to it underneath, not the other way round.

Doh!

But if I'm following a thread, I've ALREADY read the question and don't
need to see it again....

Bill
(note the bottom post to be consistent with most of the replies here)

 

[Justin]

OMG, you are nothing but a broken record.

Look fool, if you've installed Vista on a couple of your machines and you
notice nothing in speed gains then good for you.

There is more to ROI then the SPEED of an OS. If you are too stupid to
realize the productivity gains and enhancement gains for a mass installation
then I guess ignorance is bliss in your case.

I never said anything about Vista enhancing existing apps. Who said
anything about that? Because you have nothing else to cry about and you
have no way of disproving any of the practices I've talked about you feel
the need to interject with an opinion that has nothing to do with what we've
been talking about?

Yet again, another one of your BS comments proves you know nothing of what
you speak:

"XP was meeting the need, then you can't possibly justify upgrading to
vista"

So just because your business processes "work" to the best of your knowledge
then there's never any need to do better?

Once again, you FAIL!

I already explained to you just ONE of the reasons I was able to justify
Vista and I have documented proof of my tests.

You can believe me or not. I don't care.

People will come to this NG and read your posts and they'll read mine. Then
they'll decide they need to decide for themselves. That is the exact reason
I challenge all negativity. If all people saw was your BS then people would
be misguided.

When people come to this NG with an issue and it happens to be a driver
problem then we (I) tell them they have a driver problem.

When someone comes to this NG and wants to know why Windows Mail constantly
drop all their IMAP mail and it needs to resync much too often, we (I) tell
them Windows Mail has a serious bug and needs to be fixed by MS.

So all your BS about how I say Vista is perfect only attests to this fantasy
world I claim is in your head.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

It's also the default behaviour of Outlook Express, which can't be
changed except by a Registry hack.........

It can also be changed by the use of a third-party program like the
excellent OE-Quotefix.

Personally, I don't care very much where OE (or any E-mail client or
newsreader) puts the cursor for replies. Most of my replies are in-line
anyway, and no software is going to know where I want the cursor to be. So I
simply move it myself.

 

[Adam Albright]

Who is Jack Nickelson?
Did he say that too, or are you referring to Jack Nicholson?
If you don't know, you could take the 2 seconds to look up the movie...
http://imdb.com/title/tt0104257/

Typo police. How much lower can you sink?

 

[Leythos]

But if I'm following a thread, I've ALREADY read the question and don't
need to see it again....

But this is Usenet, not email, not a small web board with limited access,
this is GLOBAL, and people don't have all the same level of access.

Many people have small Usenet servers to provide access and many of those
expire articles based on number/size, etc... As an example, a group that
gets 1000 posts per day may only have a couple days retention (or years).

Snipping and posting below the part you snip has always been the proper
method and only really became abused when MS found out about the internet
and made it easy for people to access it with an email client, and a
broken email client at that. Even the current vista Mail client doesn't
properly work with Usenet.

 

[Leythos]

There is more to ROI then the SPEED of an OS. If you are too stupid to
realize the productivity gains and enhancement gains for a mass installation
then I guess ignorance is bliss in your case.

Ok kiddo - please give the ROI for your belief based on the following:

Small shop, 50 users.

Server - SBS 2003 Premium

Workstations, typical 1 year old machines, designed/spec'd for business
use that includes Accounting, Desktop publishing using MS Office 2003 Prof
and MS Publisher, also includes Adobe Acrobat 7 Professional, includes
Photoshop CS on some machines, includes Visual Studio 2005 on one system
(the network admins system), various tools for the firewall appliance,
various tools for managing SQL 2000 and 2005 for the applications. Oh, and
a typical business application (we'll leave it unnamed) that supports
projects, bids, invoices, production costs and estimates), or, if you feel
more comforatable, a medical application that tracks all PT information.

All machines run XP without flaws, no faults, have P4 3.2ghz CPU, 512MB
RAM, 2 or 3 have 1GB, have basic business video (128MB AGP or PCIx), 120
to 250GB SATA drives, a couple have 2 DVI screens.

They have 6 workgroup printers (lets use HP 4250n as they are very common)
and 1 machine that has a HP Scanner.

Now, show me how their business can benefit from Vista.

 

[Adam Albright]

Because using TWO apps instead of one is much more productive! You say the
dumbest things...

I think we already established you don't have a clue what you're
talking about.

Go to Task Manager, then the processes tab. Oh look, for me, right now
82 processes are happly running, each in their own memory space and
Windows says, hey no problem, you're using just 7% of CPU resources.

Lets just look at a few...

1. agent.exe, that's my newsreader
2. avgcc.exe, my anti-virus
3. BBlauncher, my automated BounceBack backup
4. DUMeter.exe, a network download monitor
5. explorer.exe, windows explorer
6. rundll.32.exe, a windows host process

Opening two applicaton or 20 is not problem, its called
multitasking,or the ability of a computer's OS to do more than one
thing at a time, as long as there is enough memory and CPU resources
to run them in.

It makes no difference to the OS if you use multiple features of
Windows that are built-in, often called applets, or open other
applications, all the same to the OS, its just another PROCESS.

I'm not going to waste my time trying to educate somebody that refuses
to listen. Just really quick, your computer's master controller or
brain is the CPU. Within each cycle many things happen. A cycle is the
period of time the CPU needs to execute some instruction in its
memory. Today CPU's "cycle" very fast controlled by a "clock" which is
really a crystal that vibrates at a set rate. Learn more here:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1988795,00.asp

So you claiming using two apps instead of one, "is slower" is just
Justin shooting the breeze and not having a clue. Glad I'm slowly
helping you understand how Windows works. Got any questions?

 

[Adam Albright]

But you can right?

So is this an extension of how YOU use more software then me? YOU use
better hardware then me?

It is probably factual I use way more complex hardware and software
compared to you, but no, that isn't the point. The point is you can't
learn and don't even want to listen. Too bad.

 

[Justin]

I think we already established you don't have a clue what you're
talking about.

No you haven't. But keep stroking yourself and see what happens. It's good
though that you start each post like this. It means your emotionally
involved and this is your defense mechanism.

Go to Task Manager, then the processes tab. Oh look, for me, right now
82 processes are happly running, each in their own memory space and
Windows says, hey no problem, you're using just 7% of CPU resources.

Um...good for you?

Opening two applicaton or 20 is not problem, its called
multitasking

Very good! You are now at a Jr High School level! Multitasking is a
wonderful thing. But remember, just because you CAN run 100 programs on
your task bar doesn't mean you SHOULD! If you can use fewer apps then
you'll be more productive.

But then again, I expect nothing more from you.

Let's take this one step further!!!! Using Vista I can use the build in
search and search the NGs within the MS software. Can you do the same with
your NG reader? NOPE! I can search it instantly, can you? NOPE!

Put your thumb back in your mouth!

 

[Justin]

There's a difference between a typo and being wrong.

We all know that wasn't a typo. I'm sure his name is typically spelled
incorrectly.

The problem here is you'd never admit it. Which makes you an ass.

 

[Justin]

I can write as you've noticed. Also, I am usually right. <wink>

Who the hell said anything about write? Oh I'm sorry, did I forget a comma?
I sure did! Here's let me fix that for you so you can understand it:

But you can, right?

Your jokes are lame.

It is probably factual I use way more complex hardware and software
compared to you, but no, that isn't the point. The point is you can't
learn and don't even want to listen. Too bad.

I will never listen to your BS and neither should anyone else. I will
however listen to the other respectable sources in this NG as I have many
times.

 

[Justin]

More BS from the BS master:

But this is Usenet, not email, not a small web board with limited access,
this is GLOBAL, and people don't have all the same level of access.

But but but but...but nothing. What he said was perfectly viable. LEARN TO
LISTEN TO OTHERS!!! You now have multi people telling you the same thing
and you still refuse to accept anything being said.

I top post. Over the years I have accepted to inline post. You can learn
something new as well!

Snipping and posting below the part you snip has always been the proper
method and only really became abused when MS found out about the internet

The problem with this BS is you invalidate YOURSELF! If there are USENET
servers that only retain a couple days then people are screwed anyway! If
you snip things out then there is no history either in previous posts OR in
the posts themselves. So TOP OR BOTTOM doesn't matter! The existing
conversation is not there. There's nothing to follow and it wont matter in
a day anyway as it'll be gone as well.

 

[Justin]

Are you serious? You think just because you offer machine specs, someone
can determine if Vista features can enhance your BUSINESS PROCESSES?

Do you know what a business process is? Any clue at all? Well, you'll look
it up now, I'm sure.

"Hey everyone, I have x amount of computers, tell me how vista features will
help me."

The ONLY clue you gave me was the fact that you run some sort of medical
package. Which one? Having worked in the medical industry (mostly billing
and DME) I know of more then a handful. However I can't assume what it is
you DO, hence needing business processes.

The fact that you think ROI is feasible based on the crap you gave me tells
us a lot.

 

[Alias]

Because using TWO apps instead of one is much more productive! You say
the dumbest things...

You can use Thunder Bird for both email and newsgroups. It's free. OE
doesn't do well using both. I used to use OE for both but it slowed it
down and compacting was much more lengthy. Since I got rid of the
newsgroups in OE, it runs much better. Course, I now use Thunderbird and
in Linux and MS hasn't deigned to make a Linux version of OE.

Alias

 

[Adam Albright]

No you haven't. But keep stroking yourself and see what happens. It's good
though that you start each post like this. It means your emotionally
involved and this is your defense mechanism.

We've established the mere sight of me making a post is almost
guaranteed to make you say something foolish.

Very good! You are now at a Jr High School level! Multitasking is a
wonderful thing. But remember, just because you CAN run 100 programs on
your task bar doesn't mean you SHOULD! If you can use fewer apps then
you'll be more productive.

Funny, you already deleted the part of my last post that proved you
keep shooting blanks. Windows doesn't care about applications open, it
runs things as a 'process' regardless if you open a new application on
start up another applet in Windows. Geez man, pay attention. Your
productivety is determined by:

1. The tools you use.

2. The skill of the person using the tools.

3. Windows is called WINDOWS for a reason kid. Guess that zoomed over
your head. I'll whisper so nobody else hears. You should know that
you can have multiple windows all open at once arranged on your
desktop if you shrink them down in size a bit. That was one of
Billy's original concepts, ok Steve Jobs, but you seem to have
missed it. So again, your comment "If you can use fewer apps then
you'll be more producitve" is just you being foolish again.

But then again, I expect nothing more from you.

Let's take this one step further!!!! Using Vista I can use the build in
search and search the NGs within the MS software. Can you do the same with
your NG reader? NOPE! I can search it instantly, can you? NOPE!

Put your thumb back in your mouth!

You can't be over 14 years old. Isn't your mommy calling you again?

 

[Adam Albright]

There's a difference between a typo and being wrong.

We all know that wasn't a typo. I'm sure his name is typically spelled
incorrectly.

The problem here is you'd never admit it. Which makes you an ass.

Temper, temper little man.

 

[Leythos]

Are you serious? You think just because you offer machine specs, someone
can determine if Vista features can enhance your BUSINESS PROCESSES?

Do you know what a business process is? Any clue at all? Well, you'll look
it up now, I'm sure.

"Hey everyone, I have x amount of computers, tell me how vista features will
help me."

The ONLY clue you gave me was the fact that you run some sort of medical
package. Which one? Having worked in the medical industry (mostly billing
and DME) I know of more then a handful. However I can't assume what it is
you DO, hence needing business processes.

The fact that you think ROI is feasible based on the crap you gave me tells
us a lot.

Yea, it was a made up company, you could have included any details you
wanted, and you had a chance.

What this shows is that you don't have a clue and are just a troll.