Program Information Pages

[dszady]

omega wrote:

[..]
Approach One. This list is freeware. It is less strictly freeware than
(what should be) high standards of PL; but more strictly freeware than
what gets discussed in ACF.

Approach Two. This is mostly freeware. Also included is this type of
exception: PCMag ware; former PLs turned pay; xxx. And there will be
a symbol or a color to demark these...

Approach Three. (?)

3. This list is freeware according to the strict standards of the
majority(?) of posters to alt.comp.freeware unless duly noted.

(I hate those last three words.) If they were used in the front - "Unless
duly noted, this.. - I would hate them there also.

What are the standards BTW?

 

[Susan Bugher]

First, Tubonavigator is currently listed on your P page with download

IMO v 1.47 should not be recommended. [...]

Thanks for the info, appreciated!

Thanks for bringing it up - I added a note: v 1.47 is not recommended

That's the kind of information I think it's helpful to have in the
Program Information pages - easy to lose track of it otherwise.

Couple more items for the FM category:

muCommander <http://freshmeat.net/projects/mucommander/> **
"muCommander is a cross-platform file manager. It features a
Norton Commander-style interface and runs on any OS that has
support for the Java 2 Platform, Standard Edition."

Some File-Manager addons from: <http://www.winability.com/fmutils/>
Formerly shareware - now free.
FM StepUp for Windows 3.1x/95/98 (16-bit version) FREE!
FM StepUp NT for Windows NT 3.5x/4.0 (32-bit version) FREE!
FM Toolbar for Windows 3.1x/95/98 (16-bit version) FREE!
FM Guardfor Windows 3.1x/95/98 (16-bit version) FREE!


Some Explorer addons from <http://www.baxbex.com/products.html>
Free for use at home [separat downloads]
OpenExpert - Open With submenu for explorer's menu
FolderBox - displays additional folders
in the lower part of Explorer
bxNewFolder - Use a hotkey to create a folder

Notice, of the latter three you already have
FolderBox -> FILE UTILITIES
Folder box -> FILE UTILITIES
but not AFAIK: bxNewFolder

Thank you for the additional info.

Susan

 

[omega]

What are the standards BTW?

FREE CLIPART.

 

[omega]

FREE CLIPART.

Aw, come on, Dszady, I expected a smack for that one - but not the
killfile. Let me back out (it's dark in here).

 

[Susan Bugher]

omega wrote:

[..]

Approach One. This list is freeware. It is less strictly freeware than
(what should be) high standards of PL; but more strictly freeware than
what gets discussed in ACF.

Approach Two. This is mostly freeware. Also included is this type of
exception: PCMag ware; former PLs turned pay; xxx. And there will be
a symbol or a color to demark these...

Approach Three. (?)

3. This list is freeware according to the strict standards of the
majority(?) of posters to alt.comp.freeware unless duly noted.

(I hate those last three words.) If they were used in the front - "Unless
duly noted, this.. - I would hate them there also.

What are the standards BTW?

4. Programs that have been mentioned in ACF posts (not a complete list).

I'll fill in the Ware info *when* someone volunteers it - IMO that
column will always be incomplete. . . so ISTM the *general* statement
about the programs is simply "mentioned in ACF posts".

The list is a source of information. Perhaps we need to define a list of
the questions it attempts to answer?

1. What programs are available for zzz?
2. What is the last freeware version of xxx?
3. Is yyy still freeware?
4. Is xyz Spyware?
5. What programs are no-install?
6. Are there other programs by the same author?
7.
8.
9.


Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

Susan Bugher <[email protected]>:

[ http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/programs/P_ProgramIndex.php ]

I'm wondering if it would be a reasonable idea to post a list of the prog
entries that need URLs. For people to post any applicable URLs that they
know. Would it make a mess, or could it help? A list in some variation of
this form...

If someone sorts the Program Index page on the URL column they can see
which
ones are missing . . .

Information would be appreciated. FYI note - I'm showing the *home page*
URLs whenever possible - that's less likely to change than a URL to a
program description page - also works better for grouping programs by
author etc. etc. Some programs have a DL link - I'm revising those when
I can find a description to link to. . .

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

[ http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/programs/P_ProgramIndex.php ]

Any use for a few author entries into the data? Or would it be too
impractical, too get data of this form entered in?

Easy to enter - thanks. I already have some Company info in my file -
can show it as a separate column or combined with the author column. Any
preference?

Susan

 

[omega]

4. Programs that have been mentioned in ACF posts (not a complete list).

Do you mean "Freeware programs that have been mentioned in ACF posts"
Or do you mean "Any programs that have been mentioned in ACF posts"
Or "Programs of Ware types xx yy & zz that have been mentioned in ACF posts"

1. What programs are available for zzz?

Similar question here...

 

[omega]

[ http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/programs/P_ProgramIndex.php ]

Any use for a few author entries into the data? Or would it be too
impractical, too get data of this form entered in?

Easy to enter - thanks. I already have some Company info in my file -
can show it as a separate column or combined with the author column. Any
preference?

Same column. My most precise preference would be that when there are two
entries, it's company first in the column.

(I assume developers prefer to have their company name displayed, when it
exists. But I like to be able to see author name, too, when available.)

 

[omega]

Do you mean "Freeware programs that have been mentioned in ACF posts"


Similar question here...

Before waiting an answer, let me add that which is my initial
(uncontemplated) reaction.

(a)
If you modify to "Freeware programs that have been mentioned in ACF posts"
and "What freeware programs are available for zzz?", that's the camp I'm
comfortable in. Freeware fills the playground so very fully all by itself.
To take on addressing payware et al, that'd be stepping into an other field.

Not that payware has been unleashed on the list so far. But there is not
yet clarity on what is definitively excluded.

(b)
Not that I don't have some tiny glint of a purpose that you might be
outlining. A master reference list, useful for the context of ACF
conversations as they actually happen. Reminds me of how AUE liked
to define two types of grammars. Descriptive and Prescriptive.

... (unfinished glint)

 

[dszady]

Aw, come on, Dszady, I expected a smack for that one - but not the
killfile. Let me back out (it's dark in here).

Been watching the baseball game: Red Sox - Yankees (Yankees Suck!).
The word "Clipart" is more profane than some of the posts I've written.
(Ya! Right!)
Out of the dungeon with you, Maiden. Go forth, spread the word and tell
your minions, "Clipart Sucks!".
And so it shall be written and so it shall be done.

 

[omega]

The list is a source of information. Perhaps we need to define a list of
the questions it attempts to answer?

1. What programs are available for zzz?
2. What is the last freeware version of xxx?
3. Is yyy still freeware?
4. Is xyz Spyware?

Would there be a major logistics problem to design two lists? One for free
and benign programs. And one for the other: PCMag ware, PL turned-payware,
free nagware, etc.

 

[omega]

Out of the dungeon with you, Maiden.

Noble sir, I thank you.

Go forth, spread the word and tell
your minions, "Clipart Sucks!".
And so it shall be written and so it shall be done.

I shall enscribe your FAQ onto the very thickest of parchment, hard as
treebark, and make every FREE CLIPART barbarian swallow it down whole,
until they beg to purge themselves of their foul past, and prove ready
to enter the pure lands of freeware.

Will that help?

 

[Susan Bugher]

Do you mean "Freeware programs that have been mentioned in ACF posts"
Or do you mean "Any programs that have been mentioned in ACF posts"
Or "Programs of Ware types xx yy & zz that have been mentioned in ACF posts"

I meant programs that the group considers okay for discusssion. That
definition is pretty loose - different people have different standards.
.. . ISTM that we *can't* do much more than that. . . it was difficult to
get Ware info for programs nominated for PL2004 (never did get it for
some nominations). IMO not much point in setting a different standard if
you can't tell if it's being met . . .

Similar question here...

IMO this should be determined as we go along. IOW when the group reviews
programs that are available for zzz the group can decide which programs
should be added or dropped on the Program Information pages.

ISTM that the list will depend on the topic being discussed. IMO not
much point in trying to list *all* Freeware browsers or HTML editors. . .

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

Would there be a major logistics problem to design two lists? One for free
and benign programs. And one for the other: PCMag ware, PL turned-payware,
free nagware, etc.

ISTM that most people would rather look for info on *one* list - two
lists would make it harder to find. JMHO.

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

CodePad

another payware that crept itself in

looks like freeware from here:

http://shicola.d2.cz/codepad/faq.php

Q: Can I get CodePad source files?
A: CodePad is freeware, not OpenSource.

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

ISTM that most people would rather look for info on *one* list - two
lists would make it harder to find. JMHO.

trying to come up with a good way to do this. . .

I added another column to the Program Index page with this information:

Abbreviations: Column 2:
NR = not recommended (search the ACF archives for more information)
$ = no longer freeware.

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/programs/P_ProgramIndex.php

If that looks like a plan I'll add the same column and explanation to
the other pages.

Comments?

Susan

 

[dszady]

Noble sir, I thank you.


I shall enscribe your FAQ onto the very thickest of parchment, hard as
treebark, and make every FREE CLIPART barbarian swallow it down whole,
until they beg to purge themselves of their foul past, and prove ready
to enter the pure lands of freeware.

Will that help?

Ah... Ya... That's the ticket.
Where are these pure lands that you dare speaketh of?
In a long ago dark dank post of freeware that history hath lost except made
possible by the spoken word of mouth? The word of "truth"?
But what is "truth"?
It ain't Clipart.

 

[Susan Bugher]

[ http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/programs/P_ProgramIndex.php ]

Any use for a few author entries into the data? Or would it be too
impractical, too get data of this form entered in?

That was a big help Karen - a couple of things:

Capture AnalogX

Different program with the same name - by NestSoft

Calypso Micro Computer Systems

now owned by Rose City Software

Susan

 

[omega]

looks like freeware from here:

http://shicola.d2.cz/codepad/faq.php

I was thinking of a different one. Looking on the web now, also clears up
the matter of name collision. The payware's full name is Trellian CodePad.
The freeware CodePad, by ShiCola, which you have listed and linked...well,
that's one that had escaped by collections. So I got to stop everything
now, and download it right away.