Program Information Pages

[Susan Bugher]

Yes, totally the winner: P_CategoryIndex.php


My pref would be close to the above, but with URL at the end. CAT PROG &
AUTH are all what I'd sort by; where URL would be an action I'd take.

Good points. I use the PL2004 Program Index page as a quick way to go to
the program description. I'm working on the assumption that *this* page
will be used mainly to:

1) find a URL for the program
2) sort programs by author
3) see if a program is listed (or should be added)

Agree/ disagree? The page sorts initially on the first column. ISTM that
most people would want to see the page in alphabetical order to start
with.

Changing the order of the columns is simple. I'll try PROG - CAT -
AUTHOR - URL next . . . see what the feedback is . . .

I'm not sure what upper limit on size is desireable. I hate slow loading
pages - perhaps others are more tolerant. Any thoughts on that?

ATM I don't envision adding direct links to the program pages - that
would increase the page size significantly. ATM - the alphabetical page
is 131 KB. The .PHP page is 390 KB when saved as a HTML file.

The sort mode is ASCII - program names are all upper case so they will
sort in alphabetical order. I could do that "invisibly" but it would
increase the page size dramatically. I also used "link" instead of
showing the URL to keep the page size down. The links do sort in
alphabetical order - not much help if you can't see it . . . could be
changed or a company column could be added . . .

Bjorn - I will change the Author sort so that blanks go to the bottom (I
can do that with little or no increase in page size). Thanks for the
suggestion.

Please keep the comments coming.

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

I'd sort of had the notion of having Httrack do its query for updates approx
once a week. Do you think that the PL2004.chm should be more timely than that,
for reflecting updates at the site?

How often will people *download* the updates - especially casual
visitors to the site? ISTM that many will only download it *once*.

FWIW I usually update the program descriptions once or twice a month.
Maybe update the CHM once a month so the ACF "regulars" can get the
updated info?

Seems it makes more sense that I send to an email address of yours. Only,
I first have to get around to using email again (I quit a couple years ago,
strange as that sounds). So until I normalize to SMTP instead of FTP, will
you bear with me?

I ran an update mirror tonight (04 March).
For transfer to your server:
http://www.mailandfiles.com/users/omega/PL2004.chm

Got it. Either way works fine for me - just let me know when there's
a new version.

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

Perhaps you should investigate CSS as It would, in my humble opinion,
make your job easier as you would only have to design your page once.
Adding extra details then becomes easy.

I think it's already on my endless todo list . . . somewhere . . .
along with PHP . . .

Susan

 

[Bjorn Simonsen]

I'm working on the assumption that *this* page
will be used mainly to:

1) find a URL for the program
2) sort programs by author
3) see if a program is listed (or should be added)

Disagree, me thinks *most* visitors will stop by that list to see

1) what programs are listed in category X outside of those already
on the PL and that I know of? (few if any reads everything in a.c.f
2) what other fine apps did this author write?
3) is my favorite or any other goodies I know missing from this nice
list?

- in that order.

URLs relevant in all cases, but not the first most people will look
for. If program name is known, or author -> google. Only the dedicate
few will come to your list for URLs only. Only my guess of course.
(I hope we are talking about the same list, the extended - programs
mentioned in group but not on PL one? - it's been a long day

Changing the order of the columns is simple. I'll try PROG - CAT -
AUTHOR - URL next . . . see what the feedback is . . .

Sounds good.

Bjorn - I will change the Author sort so that blanks go to the bottom (I
can do that with little or no increase in page size). Thanks for the
suggestion.

Nice, thank you very much.

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen

 

[Susan Bugher]

Disagree, me thinks *most* visitors will stop by that list to see

1) what programs are listed in category X outside of those already
on the PL and that I know of? (few if any reads everything in a.c.f

I don't think I can list *subcategories* on that page - it would get too
big and. . .

the Internet page (for example) has 400 programs. I *wish* I could put
everything on one page - IMO that would be the best arrangement . . .

2) what other fine apps did this author write?
3) is my favorite or any other goodies I know missing from this nice
list?

- in that order.

URLs relevant in all cases, but not the first most people will look
for. If program name is known, or author -> google. Only the dedicate
few will come to your list for URLs only. Only my guess of course.
(I hope we are talking about the same list, the extended - programs
mentioned in group but not on PL one? - it's been a long day

same list - yes

Sounds good.




Nice, thank you very much.

Revised pages are up if you want to take a look:

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/programs/P_ProgramIndex.php

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen

Susan

 

[omega]

Nice, thank you very much.

Me too!

I always wanted that sort-order of blanks last. (It was just one of those
/few/ times when I didn't think to raise up my bowl and ask.)

 

[Susan Bugher]

I always wanted that sort-order of blanks last. (It was just one of those
/few/ times when I didn't think to raise up my bowl and ask.)

Anything else? ask away, now's a good time to *shape* the pages . . .

Sort thing is done, pages have been "bleached", rearranged Program Index
page, Text Editor Review link added to the text page, info for some
programs added as separate files . . .

have a look around. . .

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/programs/P_CategoryIndex.php

I'm off to bed . . .

Susan

 

[Bjorn Simonsen]

I don't think I can list *subcategories* on that page - it would get too
big and.

Not what I meant. Language barrier on this of the fence, sweedish
cheef syndrom perhaps. Retry:

1) what programs are listed in the broad and general category I'm
interested in, say System utilities for example, in addition to
the *programs* I have already seen listed on the main PL site and
that otherwise already know of?

Never ment to suggest you should list sub-categories on that page


All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen

 

[Bjorn Simonsen]

Sort thing is done, pages have been "bleached", rearranged Program Index
page, Text Editor Review link added to the text page, info for some
programs added as separate files . . .

have a look around. . .

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/programs/P_CategoryIndex.php

Wow! Very nice indeed! Nice and not mention helpful!

Since your asking for input... maybe you could to add some leading
text on top of first page - in addition to what is already there? I
mean just something so that people like my self understand we are
supposed to click the category links above the main Category Index
page - instead of simply staring stupid at that big table that we have
already sorted twice ways ...

Now how can I sort the file managers according to if they offer single
or dual pane? (kidding

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen

 

[Susan Bugher]

Wow! Very nice indeed! Nice and not mention helpful!

Since your asking for input... maybe you could to add some leading
text on top of first page - in addition to what is already there? I
mean just something so that people like my self understand we are
supposed to click the category links above the main Category Index
page - instead of simply staring stupid at that big table that we have
already sorted twice ways ...

Will do - there and on the Program Index page too.

Now how can I sort the file managers according to if they offer single
or dual pane? (kidding

Tell me which is which and I'll make two subcategories.

*or*

if you want to add *more* information than that. . .

Do a feature comparison of file managers and I'll link a web page with
the info to the File Utilities page. I used a simple format for the
program description files I added yesterday - other info can be added
the same way and shown as INFO if it's about more than one program. (see
the Multimedia page or the Text page for examples).

Here's a template:

-----------

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD> <TITLE> Prog. Info. (www.pricelessware.org)</TITLE>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</HEAD>
<BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFF4">
<blockquote><pre>


********[YOUR INFORMATION HERE]********


</pre></blockquote>
<hr width="80%">
<p><CENTER><b><A HREF="http://www.pricelessware.org">Pricelessware
Home</A></b></CENTER>
<BR><CENTER><B>© alt.comp.freeware 1999-2004</B></CENTER>
<BR><CENTER><B><A HREF="#TOP">TOP</A></B></CENTER><BR>
</html>

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next question?

Susan

 

[omega]

Anything else? ask away, now's a good time to *shape* the pages . . .

I've only now started reading... I'd be disappointed in myself if I could
not eventually come up with at least some kind of criticism/suggestion/
argument. But this is a big one, need time. So much there!

Sort thing is done, pages have been "bleached", rearranged Program Index
page, Text Editor Review link added to the text page, info for some
programs added as separate files . . .

Looking GREAT!

have a look around. . .

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/programs/P_CategoryIndex.php

Three hundred sizty-seven pages! Breathtaking. You must have secretly
enlisted all of Santa's elves to help you make this.

I'm off to bed . . .

And, now, it's AM. Go forth woman, get out that chisel and continue to
build that castle. <G>

 

[Bjorn Simonsen]

Tell me which is which and I'll make two subcategories.

*or*

if you want to add *more* information than that. . .

Heh...got me there. But think I have had just enough of File Managers
for a while. Thanks for the update though. What I will try do later
(if you haven't already is to see if any of the FMs/urls mentioned
in the last couple of threads needs to be added to your P page ....

All the best,
Born Simonsen

 

[dszady]

Anything else? ask away, now's a good time to *shape* the pages . . .

Sort thing is done, pages have been "bleached", rearranged Program Index
page, Text Editor Review link added to the text page, info for some
programs added as separate files . . .

have a look around. . .

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/programs/P_CategoryIndex.php

I'm off to bed . . .

Susan

Good job! I find the whole site makeover astonishing to say the least.

 

[Susan Bugher]

I've only now started reading... I'd be disappointed in myself if I could
not eventually come up with at least some kind of criticism/suggestion/
argument. But this is a big one, need time. So much there!

IIRC you thought back-up programs should be in FILE UTILITIES and had
other category changes you thought would be an improvement in PL2004.
Now's your chance.

I'd like to use the Program Information pages to work out categories/
subcategories for PL2005 and also to place programs into the most
appropriate subcategory. Then when PL nomination time rolls around again
anyone nominating a program will know its category and subcategory.

Looking GREAT!



Three hundred sizty-seven pages! Breathtaking. You must have secretly
enlisted all of Santa's elves to help you make this.

The program descriptions are taken from the PL2004 Nominations pages
(nom. - not selected) - thought it would be good to have them here. . .

And, now, it's AM. Go forth woman, get out that chisel and continue to
build that castle. <G>

I'm working! I'm working! - I added the note that Bjorn asked for - that
was a real toughie.

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

Heh...got me there. But think I have had just enough of File Managers
for a while. Thanks for the update though.

hehe - just wanted you and others to know that it's *possible* to add
any info the group *wants* to add.

What I will try do later
(if you haven't already is to see if any of the FMs/urls mentioned
in the last couple of threads needs to be added to your P page ....

Thanks! That would be helpful.

Susan

 

[Bjorn Simonsen]

if any of the FMs/urls mentioned
in the last couple of threads needs to be added to your P page ....

Ok, File Manager links not on your pages (AFAIK), as promised:

First, Tubonavigator is currently listed on your P page with download
link to REMs page <http://woundedmoon.org/win32_freeware.html>
w/version 1.46 listed as last freeware. But someone (fan club,users?)
have put up a "hosting" site for TN, in the authors absence, offers
version 1.47 as last version: <http://turbonavigator.us/>
Site offers links to 5 diffent d/l locations for 1.47 and 4 for 1.46.

So to the other File Managers currently not listed on your pages.
Links mostly from the recent File Manager threads:

DLFiles <http://dlawlis.pair.com/>

DualXplorer <http://delphi.icm.edu.pl/authors/a0004178.htm>
d/l: <http://delphi.icm.edu.pl/ftp/tools/DualXplorer.zip>

F file manager <http://filemanager.free.fr/features.htm>

Fast Explorer <http://thesoftpro.tripod.com/downloads/fe/fe.zip>

Fileant <http://fileant.com/>

TriDComm <http://tridcomm.com/>

Windows File Explorer <http://freesoftlabs.com/>

MS WinFile.exe from WinNT 4.0 SP4, see line 71, right column on
<http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm>.

and xplorer2 <http://www.netez.com/2xExplorer/>
the new (alpha version) file manager from the 2xExplorer author.
d/l: <http://www.ps.ic.ac.uk/~umeca74/x2alpha.zip>

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen

 

[Susan Bugher]

Good job! I find the whole site makeover astonishing to say the least.

Thanks.

I'm especially hoping we can develop good lists for business and hobby
apps, apps for kids etc. etc. etc.

IMO the pages should make a good starting point - let us spend less time
discussing what's available, more time discussing what's *best*.

Susan

 

[Bjorn Simonsen]

MS WinFile.exe from WinNT 4.0 SP4, see line 71, right column on
<http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm>.

d/l link:
<http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs_edits/WINFILE.EXE>

But perhaps not appropriate on PL? Free as such, but not freeware. Or?

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen

 

[Susan Bugher]

Ok, File Manager links not on your pages (AFAIK), as promised:

First, Tubonavigator is currently listed on your P page with download
link to REMs page <http://woundedmoon.org/win32_freeware.html>
w/version 1.46 listed as last freeware. But someone (fan club,users?)
have put up a "hosting" site for TN, in the authors absence, offers
version 1.47 as last version: <http://turbonavigator.us/>
Site offers links to 5 diffent d/l locations for 1.47 and 4 for 1.46.

IMO v 1.47 should not be recommended. There's some sort of data-mining
in v1.47 - maybe harmless, maybe not (ACF archives have discussions
about this).

There is also a bug - saved this quote from the author's site:

There is a bug in v1.47 that prevents it to work correctly under Win9x
and WinME systems. It is due to some features designed exclusively for
NT platform (WinNT 4.0, Win2000, WinXP...) and on these systems TN works
without any problems. I'm working on the fix for the bug but in mean
time please use older version of Turbo Navigator if you are running
Win9x operating system. Both versions can be found on download page. I
am sorry for inconvenience.

So to the other File Managers currently not listed on your pages.
Links mostly from the recent File Manager threads:

DLFiles <http://dlawlis.pair.com/>

DualXplorer <http://delphi.icm.edu.pl/authors/a0004178.htm>
d/l: <http://delphi.icm.edu.pl/ftp/tools/DualXplorer.zip>

F file manager <http://filemanager.free.fr/features.htm>

Fast Explorer <http://thesoftpro.tripod.com/downloads/fe/fe.zip>

Fileant <http://fileant.com/>

TriDComm <http://tridcomm.com/>

Windows File Explorer <http://freesoftlabs.com/>

MS WinFile.exe from WinNT 4.0 SP4, see line 71, right column on
<http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm>.

and xplorer2 <http://www.netez.com/2xExplorer/>
the new (alpha version) file manager from the 2xExplorer author.
d/l: <http://www.ps.ic.ac.uk/~umeca74/x2alpha.zip>

Thank you.

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

d/l link:
<http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs_edits/WINFILE.EXE>

But perhaps not appropriate on PL? Free as such, but not freeware. Or?

Not quite sure what you are asking here. Is this a MS file -> legality
of DL from this site is dubious? If that's what you mean IMO the app
probably shouldn't be shown. . .

I listed some MS apps on the Prog. Info pages that are not freeware -
but are often suggested in ACF in response to requests. Free *if* you
have the OS. (Can't remember ATM but think I just said MS in the Ware
column.) ISTM that's sort of a gray area - something for the group to
decide - leave them in or take them out?

Susan