Program Information Pages

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Susan Bugher

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/programs/P_CategoryIndex.php

I have *almost* finished adding programs that I have information about
to this group of pages (about 2600 programs are listed).

ISTM the pages could be an ongoing effort by the group - subcategories
could be reviewed/ revised and new subcategories/ programs/ information
added when there is interest in doing so. (For example a thread about
file managers could include a review and update of the programs included
in the Program Information pages.)

Do you think these pages would be a *useful* permanent addition to the
Pricelessware site? If so what suggestions do you have about content,
format etc. etc.?

Let's have a *full* and *frank* discussion - please don't hold back - I
don't bruise easily. ;)

Susan
 
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Sharon Page

Susan Bugher said:
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http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/proposal-CD.htm
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/programs/P_CategoryIndex.php
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One recommendation. I save pages as bookmarks as does many.
Daily, I am asked if I know of such and such that could be used
to do such and such.

The automatic title that goes with the bookmark

i.e. ><HEAD> <TITLE> Category Index</TITLE>

would be more useful to me if it contained a reference to your homepage.

i.e. ><HEAD> <TITLE> Category Index -- pricelessware.org </TITLE>
i.e. ><HEAD> <TITLE> pricelessware.org -- Category Index </TITLE>

in doing so it would allow me to know quickly (by name) that it is your
'maintained' site.

Looks really good to me!

SLP
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http://www.best-page.us
 
G

GeorgeD

Susan said:
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/programs/P_CategoryIndex.php

I have *almost* finished adding programs that I have information about
to this group of pages (about 2600 programs are listed).

ISTM the pages could be an ongoing effort by the group - subcategories
could be reviewed/ revised and new subcategories/ programs/ information
added when there is interest in doing so. (For example a thread about
file managers could include a review and update of the programs included
in the Program Information pages.)

Do you think these pages would be a *useful* permanent addition to the
Pricelessware site? If so what suggestions do you have about content,
format etc. etc.?

Let's have a *full* and *frank* discussion - please don't hold back - I
don't bruise easily. ;)

Susan
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Looks wonderful.

While we are complicating your life, how about doing something similar
for linux? There seems to be increasing interest. Actually I don’t
mean ‘you’ personally, but ‘us’ somehow.

You have put in tremendous effort and I appreciate your work. Thank
you for everything.
 
S

Susan Bugher

Sharon said:
One recommendation. I save pages as bookmarks as does many.
Daily, I am asked if I know of such and such that could be used
to do such and such.

The automatic title that goes with the bookmark

i.e. ><HEAD> <TITLE> Category Index</TITLE>

would be more useful to me if it contained a reference to your homepage.

i.e. ><HEAD> <TITLE> Category Index -- pricelessware.org </TITLE>
i.e. ><HEAD> <TITLE> pricelessware.org -- Category Index </TITLE>

in doing so it would allow me to know quickly (by name) that it is your
'maintained' site.
Click to expand...

Good idea - added to the todo list - may take a little while. . .
Looks really good to me!
Click to expand...

Thanks. :)

Susan
 
S

Susan Bugher

Looks wonderful.

While we are complicating your life, how about doing something similar
for linux? There seems to be increasing interest. Actually I don’t
mean ‘you’ personally, but ‘us’ somehow.
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IMO it would be good to include some Linux info - don't know how much. I
believe there are *already* some fairly comprehensive pages on the web.
Perhaps add a limited number of programs and maybe some URLs (*if* the
consensus is in favor of having Program Information Pages).

*Somehow* could be: anyone who was interested could start a thread and
compile a list of the suggested Linux apps and URLs - which I could then
add to the web pages.
You have put in tremendous effort and I appreciate your work. Thank
you for everything.
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Thanks. :) The only *extra* work was minor - creating the web pages -
the rest I was going to do anyway - now I'm quite curious to see if the
group wants to keep the web pages up. . .

Susan
 
B

Bebop & Rocksteady

Let's have a *full* and *frank* discussion - please don't hold back - I
don't bruise easily. ;)

Susan
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Lookin good...

can't think of any thing yet... but am sure I will later unless some one else
beats me to it.. which usually happens so I keep my trap shut :)

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If you truly want to contact me click the link
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R

REM

I have *almost* finished adding programs that I have information about
to this group of pages (about 2600 programs are listed).
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Man, you're incredible!

I see the Categories and Subcategories. The programs I can't find.

The "sub-cat" doesn't sort. Maybe it's the hyphen?
ISTM the pages could be an ongoing effort by the group - subcategories
could be reviewed/ revised and new subcategories/ programs/ information
added when there is interest in doing so. (For example a thread about
file managers could include a review and update of the programs included
in the Program Information pages.)
Click to expand...

Sure. If everyone will write a review or two it would be nice to see
what people think of the various programs.
Do you think these pages would be a *useful* permanent addition to the
Pricelessware site? If so what suggestions do you have about content,
format etc. etc.?
Sure.

Let's have a *full* and *frank* discussion - please don't hold back - I
don't bruise easily. ;)
Click to expand...

Wham! Pow! Blonk! Great job Susan.
 
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Susan Bugher

REM said:
I see the Categories and Subcategories. The programs I can't find.
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Use the page links at the top: Business-Hobby, Desktop etc. to navigate.
The "sub-cat" doesn't sort. Maybe it's the hyphen?
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Good catch. It *is* sorting - *but* - on the *real* subcategory name
which includes a hidden number at the beginning (View page source to see
what I mean). . . revisions to follow. . .
Sure. If everyone will write a review or two it would be nice to see
what people think of the various programs.
Click to expand...

If the group wants to add review info each program name can easily be
hyperlinked to a separate web page (added as needed).
Wham! Pow! Blonk! Great job Susan.
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ouch! ouch! ouch! thanks! ;)

Susan
 
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Susan Bugher

Susan said:
REM wrote:

Good catch. It *is* sorting - *but* - on the *real* subcategory name
which includes a hidden number at the beginning (View page source to see
what I mean). . . revisions to follow. . .
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Done. On the Category Index page the *category* column now now sorts by
the category *and* alpha-numeric subcategory (the order shown on the
other web pages). The *subcategory* column sorts by the alphabetical
name of the subcategory.

I haven't changed the other web pages (they have the same problem) The
numbers are used to group program subcategories . . . I think I'll just
*show* the alpha-numeric name of each subcategory. . .

The pages (loosely) follow the PL2004 category/ subcategory organization
- they would be a good place to work out improvements for PL2005 -
suggestions are welcome . . .

Susan
 
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Sharon Page

to my request to include web addy on title header for bookmark
purposes at :
Done.
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Nice going. You moved faster than I expected.
Now a couple of things to put on a list when you
really are wanting to just play....:)

Two things... maybe a hot jump link to back to the top of the
page(s) located at certain intervals on page(s). Which would
get a person back to the top category sub topics without scrolling.
You jump us down...but not back up. First page... give us
one at the bottom of the page so we can get to the top menu?

Next...Waiting for the hot links on the text on the opening page
for anything in caps within a paragraph....It would make it really
nice to navigate to what you were talking about. (I know the
links are at the top on the menu...but what can I say... I get soooo
very lazy when it comes to checking something out. Sometimes
I don't want to have to hunt for the referenced links locations.
Just thinking of those I refer to the site.
You really are doing a good job maintaining it.

:)

SLP
*****
http://www.best-page.us
 
S

Susan Bugher

Sharon said:
Now a couple of things to put on a list when you
really are wanting to just play....:)

Two things... maybe a hot jump link to back to the top of the
page(s) located at certain intervals on page(s). Which would
get a person back to the top category sub topics without scrolling.
You jump us down...but not back up. First page... give us
one at the bottom of the page so we can get to the top menu?
Click to expand...

Adding a link at the bottom of a page to take you to the top is
straightforward - adding links in the middle of most pages is not . . .

Are you discussing the PL2004 pages? Those are the only ones with
subcategory links at the top - or is it a difference in terminology? I
think of Graphics, Desktop etc. as categories - IOW each *category* has
its own page - the further subdivisions within a page are the
*subcategories*.

I'll add *TOP* links at the bottom of the various web pages when I have
the strength - it's a good idea. . . IMO though that's *not* play -
it's just grunt work :(
Next...Waiting for the hot links on the text on the opening page
for anything in caps within a paragraph....It would make it really
nice to navigate to what you were talking about. (I know the
links are at the top on the menu...but what can I say... I get soooo
very lazy when it comes to checking something out. Sometimes
I don't want to have to hunt for the referenced links locations.
Just thinking of those I refer to the site.
Click to expand...

I haven't hyperlinked on the Program Info Category Index page because
that would add another layer of complexity to the process - and another
way to go wrong. . . *after* the subcategories are in good shape . . .

Susan
 
O

omega

Susan Bugher said:
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/programs/P_CategoryIndex.php

I have *almost* finished adding programs that I have information about
to this group of pages (about 2600 programs are listed).

ISTM the pages could be an ongoing effort by the group - subcategories
could be reviewed/ revised and new subcategories/ programs/ information
added when there is interest in doing so. (For example a thread about
file managers could include a review and update of the programs included
in the Program Information pages.)

Do you think these pages would be a *useful* permanent addition to the
Pricelessware site?
Click to expand...

Yes. (It addresses what some people were clamoring for not long ago.) Thank
you for the tremendous amount the work.
If so what suggestions do you have about content, format etc. etc.?

Let's have a *full* and *frank* discussion - please don't hold back - I
don't bruise easily. ;)
Click to expand...

Well, I'm not going to post merely to compliment, that's no thrill
for me. Instead, well, there is one thing here, that I think might
be good to solve...

It's this sitation. When I am browsing those pages, I have no strong
visual indicator where I am: that is, whether I am looking at the
PL2004 programs, or at the other section, the generalized programs
list.

The title "Program Information" does not convey to me which of the two
sections I am in. (The URL is along the same path, too, as the
PL2004 program listings. This more trivial of course, as I assume
it's the web page content/titles where most people look for such cues.)

Do you know what I mean? And of course I don't mean me, specifically;
I've read the PL2004 content thoroughly enough to recognize. But am
thinking about the perspective of a casual visitor to the site. If you
know what I mean, and might agree with it...then the next part...

What to use as good visual cue to have the visitor conscious where they
are. Distinguishing between the two sections: the PL2004 winners progam
information section v the lots-of-programs information section. For a
suggestion on what might work, I don't have any suggestion in mind. But
I figure that if I could get you to take my perspective, then you'd from
there be able to come up with a fitting title design

...?
 
O

omega

Susan Bugher said:
Sharon said:
Two things... maybe a hot jump link to back to the top of the
page(s) located at certain intervals on page(s). Which would
get a person back to the top category sub topics without scrolling.
You jump us down...but not back up. First page... give us
one at the bottom of the page so we can get to the top menu?
Click to expand...
[...]
Are you discussing the PL2004 pages? Those are the only ones with
subcategory links at the top - or is it a difference in terminology? I
think of Graphics, Desktop etc. as categories - IOW each *category* has
its own page - the further subdivisions within a page are the
*subcategories*.
Click to expand...

That's what I read here too, that she must be referring to the PL2004
pages. For viewing those pages, I find that the master Category page
provides excellent navigational convenience. Click on its subcategory
headings. Open New Window command. Else use FWD<>BACK.

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004CategoryIndex.htm
 
O

omega

Susan Bugher said:
I'll add *TOP* links at the bottom of the various web pages when I have
the strength - it's a good idea. . . IMO though that's *not* play -
it's just grunt work :(
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Speaking of the W word.

(What was the saying? "I love work, can stare at it for hours.")

Something that might well take a lot of labor, but still to possibly put
up for consideration eventually. It's an additional Sort-By category in
the Program Information pages. Both for PL listings, and this one.

A Sort-By category for supported OS.

Mainly, it would give Linux users a way quickly locate those programs that
run on their OS.


.. . .

(It would also help serve in a possible future scenario. One of these years,
it might become that some material number of the programs that make it to PL
do not run on 9x Windows, and just the later versions.)
 
O

omega

Susan Bugher said:
Adding a link at the bottom of a page to take you to the top is
straightforward - adding links in the middle of most pages is not . . . [...]
I'll add *TOP* links at the bottom of the various web pages when I have
the strength - it's a good idea. . .
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This is a tiny issue, but FWIW, I'd like to put in a vote against placing
"TOP" links. In my eyes, it inflicts clutter.

I have used a lot of browsers, and cannot think of a single one that
does not natively support going "Back to Top" already on such pages.

click one:
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004BUSINESS-HOME.htm
click two:
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004BUSINESS-HOME.htm#Spreadsheet
BACK command, provided by browser:
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004BUSINESS-HOME.htm

Even if for case where one landed from another link, where "click one" had
been to mid-page <http://...htm#Spreadsheet>, it seems unnatural to me that
one would divert one's attention looking for presence or absence of "Back
to Top" links. That need is addressed in our instinctive, automatic motion
with the scrollbar. The scrollbar is universal to almost all of our windows.
Always at hand. Why hunt for a special link to go to the top of a window?
 
C

Cousin Stanley

| This is a tiny issue, but FWIW,
| I'd like to put in a vote against placing "TOP" links.
| In my eyes, it inflicts clutter.
| ....

The TOP links are handy when ....

the cheese drips off the pizza
and clogs up the HOME key ....

the surfer refuses to relinquish
their death-grip on the mouse
to reach all the way over to the keyboard
for the HOME key ....
 

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