pricelessware Infighting

[Garrett]

Indeed.

I do hope you are not falling into the trap of looking for consistency
in Garrett's recent posting history.

I'd like for you or anyone else here point out anything that's contrary
to what I have said so far.

I'd like for someone to show me where I did wrong recently to anyone in
this group.

I'd like for someone to show me where I treated anyone injustly,
wronged anyone, attacked anyone, called anyone names, demanded anything
from anyone, said anything bad about anyone in this group, been unfair
or dishonest.

What have I done to deserve this BS from Ben or anyone else? Ben has
an issue which he's taking out on me, and the fellow doesn't even know
who I am. I was polite and told him that I'd confirm with him before
the next update. Now he's all up in my schnoozle here with Susan
coming along for the ride, by quoting things I said, which aren't even
relevant to the subject.

And now you, whom again, I have no clue who you are, and I don't think
you know me either, and you're questioning the consistancy of my
posting history recently? I've consistantly tried to keep things
honest and fair here, I've consistantly been respectful of everyone
here, and I've consistantly been dogged by a certain group of people
here.


And my freeware pick for this post is:

WebCoder
http://www.webcoder.kiev.ua/
And neat little html editor with syntax highlighting
and a preview window that is independant of MSIE or Moz.

...End freeware pick

Best regards,
-Garrett

 

[jo]

And the above is relative how?

I could be persuaded to offer an interpretation of Susan's 'hmmmmmm',
Garrett, if your 'R' word above had been 'relevant'.

As it is, you chose 'relative' and thereby rendered your post
meaningless in my eyes.

Probably my bad, eh?

I still wish you would stfu about politics and do the webmaster thing
in an honest and non divisive fashion.

Not your way though, is it?

 

[Son Of Spy]

Garrett wrote:




I could be persuaded to offer an interpretation of Susan's 'hmmmmmm',
Garrett, if your 'R' word above had been 'relevant'.

As it is, you chose 'relative' and thereby rendered your post
meaningless in my eyes.

Probably my bad, eh?

Yes, your "bad".

Learning english as a second language are you?

Relative
1. Having pertinence or relevance; connected or related.
2. Considered in comparison with something else: the relative quiet of
the suburbs.
3. Dependent on or interconnected with something else; not absolute. See
synonyms at dependent.

Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English
Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic
version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and
distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States.
All rights reserved.

Try and keep up with your language studies won't you?

Son Of Spy
--

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http://sonofspy3.spymac.net/index.html
http://www.sover.net/~wysiwygx/index.html

. --- . . - - - - - - - - - - - -
/ SOS \ __ / Freeware - - - - - -
/ / \ ( ) / - - - - -
/ / / / / / / \/ \ - - - -
/ / / / / / / : : - - -
/ / / / / ' ' - -
/ / //..\\
=====UU==UU=====
'///||\\\'
' '' '

 

[jo]

Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English
Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic
version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and
distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States.
All rights reserved.

Try and keep up with your language studies won't you?

Your source appears to be American... a strange variant of English at
the best of times, let alone on usenet.

 

[Rod]

I'd like for you or anyone else here point out anything that's
contrary to what I have said so far.

Sorry, I can't.

I'd like for someone to show me where I did wrong recently to anyone
in this group.

Sorry again, still can't do it.

I'd like for someone to show me where I treated anyone injustly,
wronged anyone, attacked anyone, called anyone names, demanded
anything from anyone, said anything bad about anyone in this group,
been unfair or dishonest.

I searched and I searched, but...I can't.

What have I done to deserve this BS from Ben or anyone else? Ben has
an issue which he's taking out on me, and the fellow doesn't even know
who I am. I was polite and told him that I'd confirm with him before
the next update. Now he's all up in my schnoozle here with Susan
coming along for the ride, by quoting things I said, which aren't even
relevant to the subject.

It's the new 'people-reading-things-between-lines-that-aren't-there-issue'
in this newsgroup, be careful, it's contagious.

And now you, whom again, I have no clue who you are, and I don't think
you know me either, and you're questioning the consistancy of my
posting history recently? I've consistantly tried to keep things
honest and fair here, I've consistantly been respectful of everyone
here, and I've consistantly been dogged by a certain group of people
here.

It's the 'them-against-us-issue' in this newsgroup, again be careful, this
seems to be even more contagious then the'p-r-t-b-l-t-a-t-issue' as
described above.

And my freeware pick for this post is:

WebCoder
http://www.webcoder.kiev.ua/
And neat little html editor with syntax highlighting
and a preview window that is independant of MSIE or Moz.

...End freeware pick

Best regards,
-Garrett

I hope and I'm sure you do a great job on the Pricelessware.org-site, as
well as I hope and I'm sure Susan will do on the Pricelesswarehome.org-site,
I'll be watching both of them, as I will watch other great freeware-sites.

Rod

 

[REM]

"Garrett" <[email protected]> wrote:

I'd like for you or anyone else here point out anything that's contrary
to what I have said so far.

Contrary or contrite?

Ben asked to be removed from the list you are working on...

The gist of your response:

" Now here's the kicker Ben... I don't have to remove your name if I
don't want to. You don't have the right to make me do so. "

Do you in any wat consider this constructive to the alt.comp.freeware
Pricelessware list?

I'd like for someone to show me where I did wrong recently to anyone in
this group.

Look upwards ace.

I'd like for someone to show me where I treated anyone injustly,
wronged anyone, attacked anyone, called anyone names, demanded anything
from anyone, said anything bad about anyone in this group, been unfair
or dishonest.

An ego trip not withstanding?

What have I done to deserve this BS from Ben or anyone else? Ben has
an issue which he's taking out on me, and the fellow doesn't even know
who I am. I was polite and told him that I'd confirm with him before
the next update.

" Now here's the kicker Ben... I don't have to remove your name if I
don't want to. You don't have the right to make me do so. "

Now he's all up in my schnoozle here with Susan
coming along for the ride, by quoting things I said, which aren't even
relevant to the subject.

" Now here's the kicker Ben... I don't have to remove your name if I
don't want to. You don't have the right to make me do so. "

And now you, whom again, I have no clue who you are, and I don't think
you know me either, and you're questioning the consistancy of my
posting history recently? I've consistantly tried to keep things
honest and fair here, I've consistantly been respectful of everyone
here, and I've consistantly been dogged by a certain group of people
here.

" Now here's the kicker Ben... I don't have to remove your name if I
don't want to. You don't have the right to make me do so. "

And my freeware pick for this post is:

Ads?

No thanks.

 

[R. L.]

"Garrett" <[email protected]> says in

[all fighting snipped]

Hi, Garrett, don't response to this thread anymore. That is
the objective of the troll who post this thread to start with
(look at the title, doesn't it sound obvious), to stir things
up and start the fight.

And, Ben seems to not understand that people have life other
than just a website; and you already promised that his name
would be removed and he has no right to be so rude.

However, just a suggestion, if he keep giving you inappropiate
personal attacks and verbal abuses, just took his name out and
kill file him will do. I wonder who is the troll who post
this thread in the beginning and give him what he wish for.
What ever it was, there are trolls watching this group and
want this group to die (remember the "this group is no more
good" post? about the flood? I suspect it is from the same
gang).




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results and information:
http://www.pricelessware.org,
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org, http://www.earths-
ocular.com/mirror/www.pricelesswarehome.org/

 

[Garrett]

I could be persuaded to offer an interpretation of Susan's 'hmmmmmm',
Garrett, if your 'R' word above had been 'relevant'.

As it is, you chose 'relative' and thereby rendered your post
meaningless in my eyes.

Then you are blind to reality and truth.

Probably my bad, eh?

I still wish you would stfu about politics and do the webmaster thing
in an honest and non divisive fashion.

Not your way though, is it?

You just don't have a clue, do you? The funny thing is, that you have
not provided any information here to show everyone what a bad person I
am. So far, you've only come in here making claims that I'm a bad
person in a sense, and now you're off on something about politics.

Basically, put up or shut up already. If you've got something on me,
then by all means, post it. I've got nothing to hide here, I've done
nothing wrong to anyone here, but you and a few others continue to drag
this on and continue to try and invoke me into some sort of little
childish argument over nothing at all. I think you should open your
eyes now...


And my freeware pick for this post is:

Want to make faces at people in your posts?? ;-)

WinFace (X-Face GUI for Windows)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~walterln/winface/
Allows you to convert bmp's to X-Face's for inclusion
in your usenet postings.

...End freeware pick


Best regards,
-Garrett

 

[Ben Cooper]

Ben Cooper wrote:

[snip]

Oh, my. I've had the time to look at some of the sites you've been
involved with. If that's the future you envision for pri¢ele$$ware.org I
suppose everyone should be prepared to accept ads on the site and
affiliate links to "free" software. Please tell us that's not in your
plans. [restored]

My name is "Garrett R. Hylltun"use that name to look for
information on me. You'll find all sorts of info on me in a search
online. Check out the google groups archives, check out web sites
that have something of my name listed.... But for Pete Sake man!
don't just sit there making stuff up!

Yes, Garrett, I did do that. It wasn't difficult to find, although it's
odd that you seem to be the only person on the planet who has the name
Hylltun. After your recent comments, which I see Susan posted, and
looking at Freewarehome I wondered if your site is going to become a
commercially supported site. I understand that you may not wish to
answer that question at this time.

I'm not sure what I did to you.. Can't think of anything I did to
you at all. But you on the other hand, have been all over my hind
end like you intimately know my hind end, or want to initimately know
my hind end. You don't even know me, but yet you seem to want to be
all up in my sunshine now. Never said a word to you Ben, except that
I'd confirm your request when I got to it.

I don't know what all this "hind end" and "sunshine" stuff is about,
unless you mean my multiple requests and demands to remove my name from
your site.
If you would have removed my name from the website like I asked you, I
wouldn't have given much more thought to what you do with your site.

Now here's the kicker Ben... I don't have to remove your name if I
don't want to. You don't have the right to make me do so. But I'm
going to do it anyway, because I respect people, but I'm not going to
change the course of a river just because you're throwing a childish
tantrum. What next? Are you going to cry because I didn't jump
immediately when you *Ordered me* to do so? Well maybe not, but it
looks like you've started some sort of smear campaign against me
though. And why Ben?

This is a very interesting paragraph when taken in context with other
posts you've made here about your
pricelessware.org site.
It's not childish to tell you that I no longer want to be affiliated
with your site and to remove my contact information from the page. I
think it is a matter of principal for you to honor my request.

Susan and Genna had a disagreement.... I jumped in to try and
resolve it, and somehow you've made me the villan? I didn't say
anything bad about either one of them and I've definitely never said
anything bad or disrespectful to you. I didn't have the disagreement
with either of them, and you're all up in my brown hole here over
something that's not critical to the situation. What's worse, is that
you're being so childish.

"Brown Hole"? This has certainly elevated the conversation.
I see, now, that asking you to make changes to your site is fruitless.
I'll continue to honor requests for the PW-CD that result from the list
on your site. Unfortunately, I will have to tell them about our grudging
relationship.

It's funny really. I haven't done anything wrong regarding this
situation at all. Others sure have, but what did I do wrong Ben?

You didn't honor my request. It's such a simple thing to do and yet you
refuse to do it.

[SNIP]

 

[Son Of Spy]

jo wrote:

Your source appears to be American... a strange variant of English at
the best of times, let alone on usenet.

Not satisfied with ad hominem attacks, you now exhibit xenophobic
behaviour (note the british spelling used purposely to calm you down)


Hmmmmmmmmm.


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http://www.sover.net/~wysiwygx/index.html

. --- . . - - - - - - - - - - - -
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/ / \ ( ) / - - - - -
/ / / / / / / \/ \ - - - -
/ / / / / / / : : - - -
/ / / / / ' ' - -
/ / //..\\
=====UU==UU=====
'///||\\\'
' '' '

 

[Garrett]

Contrary or contrite?

Ben asked to be removed from the list you are working on...

The gist of your response:

" Now here's the kicker Ben... I don't have to remove your name if I
don't want to. You don't have the right to make me do so. "

Do you in any wat consider this constructive to the alt.comp.freeware
Pricelessware list?



Look upwards ace.

How quickly some people forget how Ben has treated me thus far... Let
us recap here so you can see for yourself, and then tell me if what
I've said is bad or not.



From: Ben Cooper ([email protected])
Subject: Re: (OT) (PL) Regarding Pricelessware Site, Genna, Susan,
Garrett et. All
View: Complete Thread (60 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware
Date: 2004-07-01 21:18:36 PST

You can confess your sins if you like, but you are not absolved.

BTW, would you please remove me from-
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/CD2004PL.htm

I don't want to be affiliated with the owner's of this site. I would
have asked you privately, but I didn't see any way to contact you.

----------------------------------------------------------------
To which I replied politely and respectfully:
----------------------------------------------------------------

From: Garrett ([email protected])
Subject: Re: (OT) (PL) Regarding Pricelessware Site, Genna, Susan,
Garrett et. All

View this article only
Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware
Date: 2004-07-01 21:32:47 PST

Ben Cooper wrote:

BTW, would you please remove me from-
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/CD2004PL.htm

Your request is noted and will be verified before the site is next
updated.

Best regards,
-Garrett

----------------------------------------------------------------
To which Ben demanded!:
----------------------------------------------------------------

From: Ben Cooper ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Regarding Pricelessware Site, Genna, Susan, Garrett et. All

View this article only
Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware
Date: 2004-07-01 22:16:06 PST

Ben Cooper wrote:



Your request is noted and will be verified before the site is next
updated.

OK, I'll rephrase it.
Remove my contact information from-
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/CD2004PL.htm

I demand that you remove it *now*. This is *not* a request.

--
Ben Cooper
(e-mail address removed)

----------------------------------------------------------------
To which I replied politely and respectfully:
----------------------------------------------------------------

From: Garrett ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Regarding Pricelessware Site, Genna, Susan, Garrett et. All

View this article only
Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware
Date: 2004-07-02 00:08:07 PST

OK, I'll rephrase it.
Remove my contact information from-
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/CD2004PL.htm

I demand that you remove it now. This is not a request.

Excuse me for not bowing to your demand, but I have no clue who you
are, or if you are the person listed on that page. I refuse to remove
any content until I can verify that the person in question is the
author making the request.

I do apologize if this does not meet your immediate requirements, but I
do hope you can understand my position regarding this.

I will verify this with the person in question when I have the
opportunity to do so.

Best regards,
-Garrett

----------------------------------------------------------------
Later, Ben starts bad mouthing Garrett with whatever he thinks up:
----------------------------------------------------------------

From: Ben Cooper ([email protected])
Subject: Re: pricelessware Infighting

View this article only
Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware
Date: 2004-07-14 19:54:24 PST

weallhatebillgates wrote:

[snip]

Pricelessware.org isn't going away or anywhere else. It's just that
the two people who were involved with it are no longer involved in
this particular web site.

Do you mean Genna and Susan?

I've been in the process of redesigning the site and fixing all the
errors, inconsistancies and filling in all the missing information.
So when I upload the redesign, it'll even be better than before.

Oh, my. I've had the time to look at some of the sites you've been
involved with. If that's the future you envision for pricele$$ware.org I
suppose everyone should be prepared to accept ads on the site and
affiliate links to "free" software. Please tell us that's not in your
plans.

----------------------------------------------------------------
End of archives:
----------------------------------------------------------------

Ok, so I was nice through the whole thing with Ben, but Ben on the
other hand has been demanding, making false claims about me, and still,
I have yet to insult the fellow myself. My statement about not having
to remove the info is a fact, I point that out since he and some others
seem to think I'm abusing poor Ben by not jumping out my butt to
immediatly remove his honored name from the site, when in the real
world, I really don't have to do anything about it at all. But I was
being nice and said I would verify it when I was ready. The point is,
I was nice about this all along, but some people can't take someone
being nice and respectful and have to throw some sort of tantrum here.
And then you come along and try to make something of it, into something
that it's not. Did I wrong Ben? Because I didn't jump out of my butt
to his childish demands, I'm wrong? Kick me in the balls and I'm
suppose to smile and then spit shine your shoes?

If that's some of think it works, you're going to be in for a reality
check sooner or later.....

Again, I say, I will verify it before the site is updated. But please
note, I have no legal obligation to remove the info at all, Nor must I
jump immediately to his or anyone else's demands. Simply asking me was
sufficient, and I acknowledge the initial request. In due time it will
be removed.

There's no freeware pick for this post..... You don't deserve it! :-(

-Garrett

 

[Garrett]

"Garrett" <[email protected]> says in

[all fighting snipped]

Hi, Garrett, don't response to this thread anymore. That is
the objective of the troll who post this thread to start with
(look at the title, doesn't it sound obvious), to stir things
up and start the fight.

And, Ben seems to not understand that people have life other
than just a website; and you already promised that his name
would be removed and he has no right to be so rude.

However, just a suggestion, if he keep giving you inappropiate
personal attacks and verbal abuses, just took his name out and
kill file him will do. I wonder who is the troll who post
this thread in the beginning and give him what he wish for.
What ever it was, there are trolls watching this group and
want this group to die (remember the "this group is no more
good" post? about the flood? I suspect it is from the same
gang).

You're right.... End of topic for me now. Besides, it's taking me away
from working on the site update. It just irks me though when people
start making things up about people here. It's just outright
dishonorable and lacks any integrity at all.

Thanks,
-Garrett

 

[R. L.]

WinFace (X-Face GUI for Windows)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~walterln/winface/
Allows you to convert bmp's to X-Face's for inclusion
in your usenet postings.

Hey, I use this one like it!!


--
RL
Unofficial Adaware Updater; Little (File) Backer Upper; Uptime
Quickie; Tray Quickie; Google Quickie; Lefty Animated
Cursors;
http://home.earthlink.net/~ringomei/page2.html
*******************************************
Places that host a list of the Pricelessware annual voting
results and information:
http://www.pricelessware.org,
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org, http://www.earths-
ocular.com/mirror/www.pricelesswarehome.org/

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Hey, I use this one like it!!

Your X-Face is one of my faves, R.L. And yeah, WinFace is very good.

 

[R. L.]

[angry, intensed, stressful post snipped]

Let's talk freeware


Given that everyone's so stressed out here in this thread,
this seem to be a great site

:-D

cut and pasted from the site:

"A collection of entertaining and informative free books on
Stress, Stress Management, Positive thinking, Personal
Development and Biofeedback, that you can freely down load.
Web masters, feel free to place these files on your web page
as free down loads!"

http://www.lindaland.com/DPPD/books.htm





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Unofficial Adaware Updater; Little (File) Backer Upper; Uptime
Quickie; Tray Quickie; Google Quickie; Lefty Animated
Cursors;
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*******************************************
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results and information:
http://www.pricelessware.org,
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org, http://www.earths-
ocular.com/mirror/www.pricelesswarehome.org/

 

[R. L.]

Your X-Face is one of my faves, R.L. And yeah, WinFace is
very good.

Hey, thanks Xface is great!! I have several different
ones but I always come back to this one, it is just SO me )

I like yours, too. Did make it with a real picture you took?




--
RL
Unofficial Adaware Updater; Little (File) Backer Upper; Uptime
Quickie; Tray Quickie; Google Quickie; Lefty Animated
Cursors;
http://home.earthlink.net/~ringomei/page2.html
*******************************************
Places that host a list of the Pricelessware annual voting
results and information:
http://www.pricelessware.org,
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org, http://www.earths-
ocular.com/mirror/www.pricelesswarehome.org/

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Hey, thanks Xface is great!! I have several different
ones but I always come back to this one, it is just SO me )

I like yours, too. Did make it with a real picture you took?

Thanks. Yeah, that's me. The pic is a few years old, but it still
more-or-less looks like me. I just used a pic I had available, but it
turned out to help a lot to have the shades on; high-contrast makes
for better one-bit images. fLameDogg did a great job modifying it for
Christmas posting -- you'll have to wait til December to see me using
the Santa Q X-Face.

 

[Ben Cooper]

[angry, intensed, stressful post snipped]

Let's talk freeware


Given that everyone's so stressed out here in this thread,
this seem to be a great site

[snip]

Oh, stop it.
I'm not angry or stressed.
I've been accused of being intense, but I've slapped down anyone who's
said such a thing.

Why do you easily dismiss someone's wishes to no longer be affiliated
with a certain website?
It's such an easy thing to fix you would think it could have been done
by now.

 

[Mister Charlie]

From a general lurker who has no 'side' in this:

Your post simply sounded like you were taking a shot or two at Susan by
talking about how things would be done right and even better, yada yada.

Just seemed a tad rude and uncalled for, nothing major. I was just
surprised as it had gotten quiet again around here and I wasn't
expecting any flare-ups, let alone to come from your direction.

As I say, just my 2 cents worth. I know, it's worth even less.

 

[Mister Charlie]

Garrett wrote:

I searched and I searched, but...I can't.

I can.

"I've been in the process of redesigning the site and fixing all the
errors, inconsistancies and filling in all the missing information. So
when I upload the redesign, it'll even be better than before. "


Now perhaps it just hit me wrong when I read it, but it *seemed* like a
tame yet real backhand at the prior person who ran it. Again, just my
reading.

As for anything else, I'm backing away slowly.