Microsoft dampens Vista sales forecast

[Peter Hayes]

You have no idea what you are saying, do you?
Are you one of those people who figures Microsoft makes $199 out of
every sale of Vista at $199?

Of course you can!
And since you are judging 'success' as merely being 'profitable,' there
is a LOT of extra room to discuss this product.
For instance -- is it any good? is it worthwhile? Is it worth any
money? How much? Does it show any smart development, new directions,
useful ideas, etc?

The American Dream dictates that the sole metric for judging success is
profit.

 

[Peter Hayes]

Layout changed for readability

If you think Vista is doomed, try to buy a new PC today without it.
Hundreds of millions of people will, for whatever reasons, have to buy new
PCs over the next 3 to 4 years. And guess what. They're going to be mostly
Vista.

There's a world of difference between people wanting Vista and having it
thrust down their throats.

It seems that Microsoft have mandated that XP disappear as if it never
existed, Vista is the only Windows available to Joe Bloggs today and
it's not difficult to understand why.

 

[Scott]

heee he, Vista is failing in the marketplace, just like we all
suspected. now there is confirmation.

And I care because?

 

[norm]

Actually...outlook express has an integrated newsreader...

So...you need to get YOUR facts straight... =)

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa
kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara

Did wegie say "outlook" or "outlook express". Outlook is not outlook
express. Outlook does not have an integrated newsreader for newsgroups.
Outlook express does.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA011169051033.aspx
Microsoft offers two products that contain the name Outlook. Although
the name Outlook appears in both titles, they are not the same program,
and they do not offer the same features.

 

[Stephan Rose]

That is so untrue. I have always CHOOSEN to install Microsoft Windows ..
each and every time on all my PCs that ever ran it.

Back sometime in early '96 we went out and got a modest computer -
AMD486DX4-100 with 8MB RAM and I think a 1MB Trident Video card - no
sound at first. And we bought a Windows OEM disc and a Microsoft Works
OEM disc. And I installed them onto the computer. And it was a lot of
fun. A couple weeks in we got another 8MB of RAM which really,
comparitively, sped things up. But the point is, is that every computer
in the house now has a copy of Windows on it that I CHOSE to install.

Anyone, anywhere in USA Britian Canada Australia etc. can go to a local
computer store, buy a PC and CHOOSE what to install on it. If I wanted
to watch a FreeBSD installation flop crash and burn I could try loading
FreeBSD. If I want to spend hours and hours installing (then spend every
day thereafter bemoaning lack of hardware support) I can try out a
Linux distro - the choice is mine. If I want an OS that works, I can
CHOOSE a version of Microsoft Windows. So there you have it: there's no
forcing anyone to run Windows. No where in the free world.

I am not referring to the people technically capable enough to install
their own operating systems.

I am referring to the average joe that just buys a computer and uses it
and who is not even capable of installing an operating system (Windows
included).

That person is most likely to just order a machine from DELL for example.

So for the fun of it, I went through the customize process on the most
expensive piece of crap Dell has to offer (people seriously pay these
prices???) and...what OS choices did it give me? XP in 3 different
flavors because not even Dell can get Vista working right with their so
called high end machines.

Alternative choices? None.

 

[Bob Eyster]

These NG's are not Usenet. They are owned and operated by Microsoft
therefore have their own rules.

--

Bob Eyster
MS Windows Vista Premium

 

[Alias]

These NG's are not Usenet. They are owned and operated by Microsoft
therefore have their own rules.

Really? Can you give us an official MS web site that outlines these rules?

Alias

 

[Saucy]

If people choose to remain ignorant they reap the reward of ignorance. They
choose to remain unaware of their options. That is *entirely* their own
responsibility.

If they had gone to the local library, one with an Internet connection (and
let's say the search page was set at Google), all's they need to do is seach
the term:

"operating system choices"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=operating+system+choices&btnG=Google+Search

The first page that came up here was a website that list a whole slew of
operating systems:

[Operating System Choices]
http://www.aaxnet.com/design/oscomp.html

The page sports a table starting with DOS running through Windows, Linux,
OS/2, Mac OS, BSD, UNIX and even AS/400 and so on ..

... they'd know then that there was a wide variety of ways they could do
computing on their workbench, at home, at their desk, for their
small/medium/large business or non-profit organization .. and so on.

If they had ust typed in "operating systems", the first page would have been
a Wikipedia page describe the operating landscape with mention of Windows,
UNIX, Apple OS, BSD, Linux, Multics, VMS and on and on ..

And should they have been savvy enough to go the Googles Directory, the
section on operating systems:

[Operating Systems - Google Directory]
http://www.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/

fifty plus operating systems would be listed.

Unless you want to remain completely ignorant then you do you have
Alternative choices? Many and Plenty. Even if one stays with Microsoft there
are plenty of choices!

 

[Bob Eyster]

Mac leads in Graphics and desktop publishing. That's about it....

 

[Saucy]

Rule #1 .. be flexible .. so don't need to write down a static set of rules.
But Microsoft does provide some guidlines for their newsgroups:

[Outlook Express newsgroups 101]
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/IE/community/columns/newsgroups101.mspx

[How to ask a question]
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

Microsoft also defines netiquette:

netiquette n. Short for network etiquette. Principles of courtesy observed
in sending electronic messages, such as e-mail, instant messages, and Usenet
postings. The consequences of violating netiquette include being flamed and
having one's name placed in the bozo filter of one's intended audience.
Disapproved behavior includes gratuitous personal insults; posting of large
amounts of irrelevant material; giving away the plot of a movie, television
show, or novel without warning; posting offensive material without
encrypting it; and excessive cross-posting of a message to multiple groups
without regard to whether the group members are likely to find it
interesting. See also flame2.
[end Quote]

[Windows XP Glossary (look under 'N' for "netiquette")
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/experiences/glossary.mspx

 

[Saucy]

A: Because one must scroll all through the text before one reads what one
wants to read first.

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And I care because?
--
Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Q: Why is bottom-posting such a bad thing?

 

[Wegie]

These NG's are not Usenet. They are owned and operated by Microsoft
therefore have their own rules.

Hey, Bob! Do you have any more jokes? That one is a pure Gem!

Fact is, Microsoft doesn't "own", nor "operate" those newsgroups.

Nobody can "own a usenet group", catch a clue!

 

[EarthSchol]

Mac leads in Graphics and desktop publishing. That's about it....

And Video Editing, Wireless Access, Unix based OSs, Programming
Development, Music Creation and Distribution, Small Business
Applications, etc.

Windows is generally for people that don't know what they are buying.

 

[Saucy]

Hey, Bob! Do you have any more jokes? That one is a pure Gem!

Fact is, Microsoft doesn't "own", nor "operate" those newsgroups.

Nobody can "own a usenet group", catch a clue!

They originated from Microsoft operated/owned/leased servers. USENET
propagates them.

 

[Wegie]

Rule #1 .. be flexible .. so don't need to write down a static set of rules.
But Microsoft does provide some guidlines for their newsgroups:

[Outlook Express newsgroups 101]
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/IE/community/columns/newsgroups101.mspx

[How to ask a question]
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

Microsoft also defines netiquette:

netiquette n. Short for network etiquette. Principles of courtesy observed
in sending electronic messages, such as e-mail, instant messages, and Usenet
postings. The consequences of violating netiquette include being flamed and
having one's name placed in the bozo filter of one's intended audience.
Disapproved behavior includes gratuitous personal insults; posting of large
amounts of irrelevant material; giving away the plot of a movie, television
show, or novel without warning; posting offensive material without
encrypting it; and excessive cross-posting of a message to multiple groups
without regard to whether the group members are likely to find it
interesting. See also flame2.
[end Quote]

[Windows XP Glossary (look under 'N' for "netiquette")
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/experiences/glossary.mspx

thanks for letting us know that Microsoft is clueless about Usenet as
well. You DO NOT Top Post when replying to a Usenet post. It messes
everyone else up.

 

[Wegie]

A: Because one must scroll all through the text before one reads what one
wants to read first.

that's all well and fine if you are talking to "1" person, but here you
could be talking to 1000's.... over a period of weeks, months, years.

do you really think when you go to a movie, the film should start at the
end? then 60 minutes later, show you the middle, then end up with the
beginning? How many movies would be enjoyable if you watched them that
way? Usenet is NO different.

You start at the beginning of the conversation, then the middle, then
the end.... "with your added comments" if desired. To do it any other
way, screws up the thread.

Some of you issue is with the groups you hang out in.... the posters
don't understand how to "snip" or cut out the irrelevant portion of
"conversation", so it can become a long thread. But it takes less than
1/10th of a second to get to the latest addition to the thread, so your
complaint is unwarranted.

Lastly, you STILL aren't using a proper Usenet Reader, you are trying to
use Outlook 6 and it doesn't properly work with Usenet.

Go download a REAL Usenet Reader and you'll understand what we are
saying.

 

[Saucy]

INLINE:

"Saucy" <[email protected]> :

I can

Rule #1 .. be flexible .. so don't need to write down a static set of
rules.
But Microsoft does provide some guidlines for their newsgroups:

[Outlook Express newsgroups 101]
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/IE/community/columns/newsgroups101.mspx

Post

[How to ask a question]
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

Microsoft also defines netiquette:

netiquette n. Short for network etiquette. Principles of courtesy
observed
in sending electronic messages, such as e-mail, instant messages, and
Usenet
postings. The consequences of violating netiquette include being flamed
and
having one's name placed in the bozo filter of one's intended audience.
Disapproved behavior includes gratuitous personal insults; posting of
large

any WAY

amounts of irrelevant material; giving away the plot of a movie,
television
show, or novel without warning; posting offensive material without
encrypting it; and excessive cross-posting of a message to multiple
groups
without regard to whether the group members are likely to find it
interesting. See also flame2.
[end Quote]

I chO0se

[Windows XP Glossary (look under 'N' for "netiquette")
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/experiences/glossary.mspx

thanks for letting us know that Microsoft is clueless about Usenet as
well. You DO NOT Top Post when replying to a Usenet post. It messes
everyone else up.

to.

Oh, the wonders of free spreech and press, eh!?

 

[Wegie]

They originated from Microsoft operated/owned/leased servers. USENET
propagates them.

yes, thus they have no control over them. that's what I'm saying. they
MUST follow the established rules of USENET, not behave any differently.

that's why it has "public" in the group name, there is no restricted
access, thus MS has no control over the content.

 

[arachnid]

A: Because one must scroll all through the text before one reads what
one wants to read first.

Q: Why is bottom-posting such a bad thing?

That's because top-posting always goes hand-in-hand with unintelligent
snipping. (Notice how you can read everything in one screen now?)

 

[Saucy]

that's all well and fine if you are talking to "1" person, but here you
could be talking to 1000's.... over a period of weeks, months, years.

do you really think when you go to a movie, the film should start at the
end? then 60 minutes later, show you the middle, then end up with the
beginning? How many movies would be enjoyable if you watched them that
way? Usenet is NO different.

You start at the beginning of the conversation, then the middle, then
the end.... "with your added comments" if desired. To do it any other
way, screws up the thread.

Some of you issue is with the groups you hang out in.... the posters
don't understand how to "snip" or cut out the irrelevant portion of
"conversation", so it can become a long thread. But it takes less than
1/10th of a second to get to the latest addition to the thread, so your
complaint is unwarranted.

Lastly, you STILL aren't using a proper Usenet Reader, you are trying to
use Outlook 6 and it doesn't properly work with Usenet.

Go download a REAL Usenet Reader and you'll understand what we are
saying.

Out of politeness and for the sake of 'netiquette' and respect, because you
have requested bottom-posted replies, that is how I will respond to your
posts, mostly. Although I sometimes like to do inline and top post.

But since you are so interested in "how it's done", may I remind you that
trolling is also considered unwelcome on the USENET. The express aim of this
newsgroup, when it was first inaugurated so to speak, and as expressed
inferentially on Microsoft webpages, is peer-to-peer general technical
support for Microsoft products and technologies, specifically Windows Vista
related products and technologies.

Oh, I trimmed the header to Microsoft newsgroups only.