Microsoft dampens Vista sales forecast

[Mitch]

There's not necessarily one "right" way

There certainly is, because there is a necessary and implicit logical
context.
The context is TIME. Westerners read DOWNWARD.

This is not opinion, it is not flexible, and it is not variable. It's
always --- ALWAYS -- the same. Therefore, all readers need to work
within that idea. Reading DOWNWARD.

If you make up any rule against that, you're simply making up new
conditions, and ignoring the basic fact.


That said, it seems to me that messages out of the community context
(such as e-mail, which typically is between only two people) have much
more flexibility, because the context of each reply is known to both
parties. Since the previous message is known, you don't have to follow
a rule which is about contextual clarity. Context is already
understood; it's not foundational. So e-mails between two people would
allow the authors to break the basic logical context (and not lose
meaning).

 

[Saucy]

You're wrong. Now go play.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Top, bottom etc are all acceptable in the Microsoft newsgroups newsgroups.
Different groups have different rules of etiquette.
I suggest you "Learn a little about the internet" before claiming others are
ignorant and showing yourself to be a "complete fool".
Clearly you are "ignorant" of some things.
You should "Stop" telling others how to post when you have little knowledge
of the local etiquette.
If you do not like the way anyone posts, you can choose not to read the
posts.
But I will NOT listen to you or anyone else try to dictate their preferences
to me.

 

[Maverick]

? all while most users that install Vista "suffer"..... microsoft should



you sound like Bagdad Bod, remember Bagdad Bob?
whatever happened to Bagdad Bob?

He got a job with M$ PR dept.

 

[Maverick]

LOL, this mactard is analzing photos of Ballmer now. ROLFCOPTER

Ballmer had a bad night. He found out you had hemorrohoids.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Please do not try to make your personal preferences "rules" for everyone to
follow.
That is not your place and no one is required to follow something you call
"rules" just because you say so.
Of course if you can show where Microsoft specifies in the Microsoft
newsgroups top posting is wrong...
You can not even show that Microsoft prefers top or bottom posting because
it is not a concern.

 

[Maverick]

where is your reply Saucy? did you say something? if so, nobody that
uses Usenet correctly heard you. Please post properly, so you can have a
say in these discussions. thanks!

He has never used a real newsreader before. The fault really lays in
Outhouse Express 6.0... it puts his cursor at the top instead of at the
bottom like the rest of the newsreaders do.

 

[Maverick]

As much as I'd like to rip on MSFT, AAPL is the same, despite the launch
of the iPhööne:

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=AAPL&hl=en

Actually, so is Ford, GM, and Chrsyler.
I heard on the news that Daimler-Benz is considering selling off their
Chrsyler division. Ford may sell to Toyota, and GM doesn't care... GMs
new market is selling Buicks to the Chinese.

It just shows you that our country has already been sold and the rest is
being flushed down the drain.

 

[Maverick]

If you think Vista is doomed, try to buy a new PC today without it.
Hundreds of millions of people will, for whatever reasons, have to buy
new PCs over the next 3 to 4 years. And guess what. They're going to
be mostly Vista.

You forget that you don't have to buy from Dell, HP, etc for a PC.
You can get one made to your specs and which os you want installed on
it. Just check with your local Mom 'n Pop PC shop.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"ALWAYS"
This give it away as false.
There are very few absolutes in the world and this is not one of them.
Or can you provide a source that says "ALWAYS"?

 

[Wegie]

He has never used a real newsreader before. The fault really lays in
Outhouse Express 6.0... it puts his cursor at the top instead of at the
bottom like the rest of the newsreaders do.

yeah. So "technically" it's not Saucy's fault. It's a Microsoft email
program that has been incorrectly designed to work with Usenet.

Why MS doesn't follow established standards is beyond me. They ruin
internet usability, and make people like Saucy look foolish - so sad.

 

[Wegie]

You're wrong. Now go play.

Try and decode this puzzle......

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

 

[Ken Gardner]

He got a job with M$ PR dept.

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/0/W/baghdadbob_microsoft.jpg

Ken

 

[Saucy]

Q: Why can you read this line right away?
A: Because it is on top.

A: Because one has to scroll down all through the text to get to the
beginning of the reply - that's why. (As you can see from this example ..
scroll down for Q.)

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Try and decode this puzzle......

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Q: What's wrong with bottom-posting?

 

[Bill]

If I want to spend hours and hours installing (then spend every day

thereafter bemoaning lack of hardware support) I can try out a Linux
distro - the choice is mine. If I want an OS that works, I can CHOOSE a
version of Microsoft Windows.

I think that you have that backwards. PCLINUXOS just works. It read all
my hardware and installed all my drivers automatically, except for my
video card and printer. I installed them easily with synaptic, a package
or program manager. Since when has Vista, or even XP just worked without
finding and installing all the necessary drivers. Vista doesnt even have
full support from Nvidia, Creative, etc. You cant find the drivers for
Vista, because in many cases they dont even exist. Remember, Vista was
designed to enable the big movie and music bosses to control the content
on your pc, it was not designed for US, and now, a mere cursory glance at
this newsgroup will show the hell that many users are experiencing trying
to install and use this horrible piece of crap.

 

[Wegie]

Q: Why can you read this line right away?
A: Because it is on top.

A: Because one has to scroll down all through the text to get to the
beginning of the reply - that's why. (As you can see from this example ..
scroll down for Q.)

but you are being disrespectful of people reading this via a Digest, and
to future readers since only "newbies" post at the top. So you and a few
other "ignorant" top posters are ruining it for everyone that does it
properly.

trust me, ONLY in email do you Top Post, but when you are speaking to
100's, 1000's on Usenet, you always Bottom Post, otherwise it breaks the
thread.

You'll understand in a few years what we are all saying......

Until then, you'll be known as the "Saucy Fool"... kinda catchy!

 

[Saucy]

But you fail to understand a couple things or so:

1. I have one newsgroup server going - one - that's it. It is
msnews.microsoft.com and I use it directly.

2. Top-posting is perfectly acceptable on the Microsoft news servers.

3. If someone has cross-posted too much with the Original Post, that's not
my problem quite frankly. Don't hit me for top-posting on the Microsoft
servers, hit the Original Poster for cross-posting all over the Internet. I
otherwise completely stick to the Microsoft servers and freely top-post as
is acceptable etiquette here.

4. If you subscribe to Microsoft newsgroups, then you should be well aware
that top-posting is often the way with replies posted on Microsoft servers.
If this pains you and you are subscribed to msnews.microsoft.com newsgroups,
then unsubscribe. If you are inadvertently viewing these
msnews.microsoft.com posts because the Original Poster cross-posted to
non-Microsoft groups you subscribe to and this pains you, see #3.

 

[Saucy]

T a l k t o t h e h a n d.

 

[Max]

When you read a book, and put it down at page 73, then later resume reading,
do you start with page 1, re-reading all the previously read pages before
proceeding to page 74?

 

[Tom Lake]

So why don't *you* learn something about newsgroups ?? Eh? I know you are

Doesn't matter... it's USENET, Microsoft does not set the rules here, WE
DO. The posters do, and what he was doing is completely OUT OF LINE.

news.microsoft.com is a Microsoft news server. The rules here allow
top posting. That the groups on it happen to be carried by USENET servers
is irrelevant. I prefer bottom posting but only if the person replying trims
the OP's message so only the relevant part remains. Unfortunately, many
people just reply with the entire original message.

Tom Lake