Microsoft dampens Vista sales forecast

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Mitch

Wegie said:
Don't any Windows users have ANY taste?

I think you mean "style," and they seem to be discouraged from it in
very serious and effective ways, by being exposed to clumsy and ugly
junk so often they think of no subtle issues.
 
S

Saucy

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz

Post something relevant to life or something? What a waste of time this
thread is.
 
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Wegie

Saucy said:
This is a joke, right? 'Cause otherwise, it's you that is coming across as
the idiot. The letters MVP, BTW, are earned; but you wouldn't know about
that.

How can someone "earn" a MVP designation if the person doesn't even know
how to correctly post to Usenet?

Any.... even remotely experienced poster NEVER top-posts to Usenet.

That's the total sign the person is a newbie, or is using an incorrectly
configured program like MS Outlook.

He is a pure fraud, face the facts.
 
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Wegie

Saucy said:
Duh. This is a Microsoft newsgroup, originally from Microsoft. Microsoft
software defaults to top-posting because that was the was it was done at
Microsoft internally for many years even before the World Wide Web.
Usenet/Newsgroups came along, often run on UNIX severs and bottom-posting
developed as sort of the default 'correct' way (although many people
top-post and do inline). But because the company here did top-posting and
because these are Microsoft newsgroups, top-posting is A-OK here.

So why don't *you* learn something about newsgroups ?? Eh? I know you are
not a blinking idiot, but you sure are acting like one.

Doesn't matter... it's USENET, Microsoft does not set the rules here, WE
DO. The posters do, and what he was doing is completely OUT OF LINE.

Set your Outlook program to conform to the established rules, or DO NOT
POST to Usenet, those are your TWO choices.

You are making of fool of yourself Saucy, nobody around here is going to
agree with your mistaken ways. It's the proper way or you will be seen
as a FOOL.
 
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Wegie

Saucy said:
You are so dreaming.

where is your reply Saucy? did you say something? if so, nobody that
uses Usenet correctly heard you. Please post properly, so you can have a
say in these discussions. thanks!
 
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norm

Wegie said:
How can someone "earn" a MVP designation if the person doesn't even know
how to correctly post to Usenet?

Any.... even remotely experienced poster NEVER top-posts to Usenet.

That's the total sign the person is a newbie, or is using an incorrectly
configured program like MS Outlook.

He is a pure fraud, face the facts.
Outlook does not have an integrated newsreader for newsgroups. Get YOUR
facts straight.
 
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Saucy

Never? In a rec. newsgroup, say, one would bottom-post .. or find out how
the regulars like it and post accordingly. In a microsoft. newsgroup, for
reasons stated, top-posting is OK, even preferred.

If over at some sci.xyz the regulars preferred top-posting, then one would
follow suit accordingly. It might even be stated in some charter how the
group prefers replies are formatted. That's how newsgroups work. So why
don't *you* learn something about newsgroups instead of just blasting out
your near useless opinions?

[Usenet - Wikipedia]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
 
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Stephan Rose

Many sites like?
Name a few, or at least one that is not in competition with MS..

spiegel.de reported it and they surely are not in competition with MS
=)
I think the marketing for Vista has issues, and most PC users are either
waiting until they know more about it or until they need a new PC.
Eventually, most PC users will buy it.

Incorrect.

Eventually, most PC users will buy a new PC and will be force-fed a
pre-installed version of Vista. The user personally actually has NO
CHOICE as far as PCs are concerned.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa
kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara
 
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Stephan Rose

Outlook does not have an integrated newsreader for newsgroups. Get YOUR
facts straight.

Actually...outlook express has an integrated newsreader...

So...you need to get YOUR facts straight... =)

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa
kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara
 
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Stephan Rose

Boy you got that right!

I don't suffer, matter of fact I am enjoying Kubuntu very much. Only
reason I still bother logging into windows (as I am right now before
anyone points out my news headers) is due to some games that don't run
on Cedega...yet..and I just got done playing some Dungeon Runners =)

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

kimi no koto omoidasu hi nante nai no wa
kimi no koto wasureta toki ga nai kara
 
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Mario

I agree, top posting is the most efficient method, saves countless hours and
worn out scrolling wheels. Everybody, even the vain and the ignorant, know
what the thread is about, so just save everyone the time and effort and add
your 2 cents worth right up there for everybody to see, immediately. Now,
isn't that better? Sure it is.
 
D

Dale

If you think Vista is doomed, try to buy a new PC today without it.
Hundreds of millions of people will, for whatever reasons, have to buy new
PCs over the next 3 to 4 years. And guess what. They're going to be mostly
Vista.

Dale
 
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Wegie

Mario said:
I agree, top posting is the most efficient method, saves countless hours and
worn out scrolling wheels. Everybody, even the vain and the ignorant, know
what the thread is about, so just save everyone the time and effort and add
your 2 cents worth right up there for everybody to see, immediately. Now,
isn't that better? Sure it is.

what did you say? can't hear you? did you write something?

sure, that's all well and good Mario, but as a thread progresses or is
read a week, or months.... years later, only bottom posting works for
the reader. do you read a Book from the last chapter first? nope!

you'll figure out why you are wrong later, but for now, everyone
considers you a newbie to Usenet.
 
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Wegie

Saucy said:
If over at some sci.xyz the regulars preferred top-posting, then one would
follow suit accordingly. It might even be stated in some charter how the
group prefers replies are formatted. That's how newsgroups work. So why
don't *you* learn something about newsgroups instead of just blasting out
your near useless opinions?

do it right or don't do it at all....

http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
 
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Wegie

Saucy said:
What's with all the hostility, the Linux guys kick you out of COLA?

??? i've never been kicked out of any group. I post where I want. BUT I
follow the rules, whereas you don't.
 
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Saucy

That is so untrue. I have always CHOOSEN to install Microsoft Windows ..
each and every time on all my PCs that ever ran it.

Back sometime in early '96 we went out and got a modest computer -
AMD486DX4-100 with 8MB RAM and I think a 1MB Trident Video card - no sound
at first. And we bought a Windows OEM disc and a Microsoft Works OEM disc.
And I installed them onto the computer. And it was a lot of fun. A couple
weeks in we got another 8MB of RAM which really, comparitively, sped things
up. But the point is, is that every computer in the house now has a copy of
Windows on it that I CHOSE to install.

Anyone, anywhere in USA Britian Canada Australia etc. can go to a local
computer store, buy a PC and CHOOSE what to install on it. If I wanted to
watch a FreeBSD installation flop crash and burn I could try loading
FreeBSD. If I want to spend hours and hours installing (then spend every day
thereafter bemoaning lack of hardware support) I can try out a Linux
distro - the choice is mine. If I want an OS that works, I can CHOOSE a
version of Microsoft Windows. So there you have it: there's no forcing
anyone to run Windows. No where in the free world.
 
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Saucy

There's not necessarily one "right" way when it comes to posting unless the
group has a charter that says something about it. Then one follows what the
charter advises whether it be top/bottom or inline.

With some groups it doesn't matter. Usually with a reply, one follows how
the first reply go in the thread/subthread goes. E.g. the first reply is a
bottom post, so replies undeer that should keep to it and bottom-post. But
if the reply is a top-post, top-posting is more in order. In Microsoft
groups, for historical reasons, top-posting is considered OK. Elsewhere on
Usenet, bottom-posting is considered the default. But unless it's in the
charter it is not the rule.

So doing it "right" really means "be flexibile".

BTW the webpage you cited is out of date; and certainly is only an opinion
piece.
--
Saucy
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