You've got to be kidding me....

[Saran]

Ok, I got bored and fired up VM Ware and ran Vista and looking around
the startmenu, I found the games... solitair, minsweeper, chess and some
others. Ok, So I looked at where they were and copied the whole
"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games" folder to the XP host machine.

None of them would run in XP... big suprise... A little googling
revealed many articles on the web and news groups alike:

<quote>
From: =?Utf-8?B?SWNlSG9ja2V5SmFzb24=?=
(e-mail address removed)
Subject: RE: Vista games to XP?
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:18:03 -0700
Message-ID: (e-mail address removed)

The application is coded as a Vista only workable game.

You cannot copy the files over. If you do and try to run the
application, it
will tell you the program is not designed for that type of Windows.
</quote>


Are you kidding me? Under XP it says "not a valid win32 application" for
any of the games. Tell me, what the hell makes the games so darn
special, internally? I suspect they are plain-ol' 32bit PE apps that are
"packed" in a wrapper that XP doesn't know how ot deal with. Such
wrappers are generally used to compress/encrypt a running program (it's
image that's in memory.)

I just don't understand why go to such lengths to prevent the games from
being copied. Such simple games, almsot all of which had counter parts
as far as Windows 2.0... you can run 16 bit (3.x era) solitair,
minesweeper, reversi, as well as the popular taipei and other cloens of
that popular asia tile game, chess, freecell, hearts and others (many
were in the microsoft entertainment pack) under XP just fine, yet you
can't runthe newest simple-games that come with Vista... oi vey.



I also got a laugh about the graphics acceration error when I started
minesweeper on Vista (I guess vmware's virtual graphics card isn't
exactly a Geoforce 8800 GTX), even though it stall ran, but to even
require that for minesweeper... good flippin grief... (it makes about as
much sense as the rest of Vista.)

-saran
"just when you thought Vista couldn't get any worse..."

 

[DP]

Let me see if I understand this: You're criticizing Vista because its
features won't run on XP?

Also: You criticize Vista, yet some of its features are so intriguing to you
that you want to run them on XP?

The point I'm getting from your post is that you think Microsoft sucks
because you can't steal features from Vista.

 

[Chris Game]

Ok, I got bored and fired up VM Ware and ran Vista and looking
around the startmenu, I found the games... solitair, minsweeper,
chess and some others. Ok, So I looked at where they were and
copied the whole "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games" folder to the
XP host machine.

None of them would run in XP... big suprise...

There's more to installing programs than copying a few .exe files!

 

[Robert Martin]

I guess that Vista games should work on a DOS 6.0 system too.
After all they are both Microsoft programs.

 

[PNutts]

Mr. Wrap:

You toss around a lot of jargon, but it is apparent you have no idea what
you're talking about. That's OK, we all started somewhere. You may want to
try microsoft.public.windows.vista.games, or better yet, an XP forum. I doubt
you'll get much traction trolling in this group.

With that said, there are people running Vista games on XP. They are smarter
than both of us. I took 10 seconds and found them. That means I now know more
than you. Really, instead of playing Purble Place on XP you should pick up a
book. I'd suggest some topics (that are also good Google fodder), but instead
of me giving you a fish you should learn to feed yourself.

 

[Steve Thackery]

"just when you thought Vista couldn't get any worse..."

The sig line reveals this guy's real motivation....

Steve

 

[Tom Allen]

Ok, I got bored and fired up VM Ware and ran Vista and looking around snip
Are you kidding me? Under XP it says "not a valid win32 application"
for any of the games. Tell me, what the hell makes the games so darn
special, internally? I suspect they are plain-ol' 32bit PE apps that
are "packed" in a wrapper that XP doesn't know how ot deal with. Such
wrappers are generally used to compress/encrypt a running program
(it's image that's in memory.)
more snip

Saran,

I got the same message when I bodge-copied some casino games from W98 to
a then new XP for my wife. I eventually found the dll that was required
in a system folder and copied that as well.
I suspect you suspect wrongly.

Tom

 

[@ Windows7 M1]

you are totally right about what you are saying.

However I have seen floating around the internet (and actually tried it
once) the vista
games for XP, somehow they had adapted them so they would work on XP..

I have even seen other things like the sidebar, and screensavers.. but I ask
you why go through all that fuss?

I dont like the games anyway.. first thing I do when I install XP or Vista
is to
go to remove the stuff I dont need.. the games are the first to go....

 

[thetruthhurts]

Let me see if I understand this: You're criticizing Vista because its
features won't run on XP?

Also: You criticize Vista, yet some of its features are so intriguing to you
that you want to run them on XP?

The point I'm getting from your post is that you think Microsoft sucks
because you can't steal features from Vista.

No retard, he's just commenting on the unnecessary, stupid things that
M$ does.

 

[Frank]

No retard, he's just commenting on the unnecessary, stupid things that
M$ does.

Yeah...like allowing a brainless moron like you to post here...LOL!
Idiot!
Frank

 

[thetruthhurts]

Yeah...like allowing a brainless moron like you to post here...LOL!
Idiot!
Frank

M$ did not invent the usenet idiot.

 

[john]

Yeah...like allowing a brainless moron like you to post here...LOL!
Idiot!
Frank

uhm... good point - after all, they let you post here.

 

[Frank]

M$ did not invent the usenet idiot.

No sh*t you moron. Try reading and comprehending next time. That is not
what I said.
You're making a complete fool out of yourself...as usual.
Frank

 

[Saran]

Let me see if I understand this: You're criticizing Vista because its
features won't run on XP?

Also: You criticize Vista, yet some of its features are so intriguing
to you that you want to run them on XP?

I'm critisizing it because it (besides all the many other reasons people
ciritize it for), is that basic apps should not be so complicated, and
certainally there was no reason for Microsfot to prevent these apps from
being used on previous versions.

The point I'm getting from your post is that you think Microsoft sucks
because you can't steal features from Vista.

No, you're inserting words into my mouth. Stick with what was written
please. I never once said it or microsoft sucks (I don't have to), and
it's not stealing. It's as much stealing as running 3.0's Reversi in
WinXp, for instance.

Please feel free to climb down off your moral high horse.

 

[Saran]

I got really upset when i tried to run vista games on my old msx
machine. Guess what, they were not compatable and did not run. Cant
think why not, maybe it is because I was trying to run a game designed
for one OS on another that was made before VISTA existed.

They are both Windows, and Vista is not all that different from XP. IT's
the next iteration of the NT core o nthe inside. A lot of these
"incompatibilities" are deliberate and artifical, as yet another way
Microsoft to try to force people to Vista.

http://extended64.com/blogs/rafael/archive/2005/10/22/1446.aspx

You can in fact get those games ot run on XP, 2000, 2003 and such wit ha
simple patch that actualyl repairs what is actualy a malformed PE
header. That's the main reason why they don't run, according to some
more reading I've done. Digital sabotage.

This is no different the another software compatibilities on the Vista
side of things. I've gotten almost any programs that wouldn't run on
Vista because of not being "compatible with Vista" will run just fine if
you actually look at what it's trying to access (regmon, filemon, and
such). SO like I said, a lot of articicial road blocks in Vista. Most
likely designed to make you go out and buy newer version of products
that other worj just fine as (and sometimes better then) the newer
version. Like Office 2007. 2003 works great, but is sabbotaged* for no
good reason in Vista. I wonder why...



* Office 2003 runs for the most part actually, but many things just
don't work right, such as saving settings (Outlook and such) and there
just isn't any good reason for it.

 

[Saran]

No, because they are two completely different OS'es. Vista at the core
is the next "NT", it is NOT al lthat different inside than XP. A lot of
so-called software imcompatiblities in Vista are completely artificial,
as has been proven over and over. There is no reaosn why XP shouldn't be
able to run a 32 bit program, especially one of the basic set of
applications that happens to come with Vista.

Oh wait, you can... after you repair the (deliberately) broken
executable header:

http://extended64.com/blogs/rafael/archive/2005/10/22/1446.aspx

 

[Saran]

The sig line reveals this guy's real motivation....

That line reflects my experience with Vista sicne it came out. I do a
hell of a lot of technical support, for corpatorations (we also repair
and service) and Vista has been nothing but one frusteration after
another, so yeah, I think I have every right to feel that way about
Vista.

And believe me, we aren't the only ones that feel this way. XP was never
such a royal PITA as Vista can be. But go ahead, stick with an OS that
can turn off your so caleld "protected content" for virtually any reason
deemed necessary if it feels the "path" the content travels has been
"compromised"... that's just one example, but for many good reasons
that's good enough for many to avoid it like the plauge.

 

[Saran]

However I have seen floating around the internet (and actually tried
it once) the vista
games for XP, somehow they had adapted them so they would work on XP..

http://extended64.com/blogs/rafael/archive/2005/10/22/1446.aspx

And by "adapted" they basicalyl repaired the exacutables themselves.

I have even seen other things like the sidebar, and screensavers..
but I ask you why go through all that fuss?

Yes, I have heard of the sidebar and suc hworking on XP, probably using
the same sort of process.

 

[jxzkzwdlq]

Saran, thank you for providing your experience and testimony to this
newsgroup
I have seen the exact same thing, and whoever claims anything different just
doesn't help lots of people
with computers.

The more you come in contact with Vista users the more you understand what
kind of an failure it is.

 

[AlexB]

I do a hell of a lot of technical support, for *****corpatorations*****

I think the corporations in question should kick your as*s out on the street
and hire competent people. It will solve all the Vista problems for them
overnight. there are a few MVPs around here who will be happy to take your
place.

Perhaps you should instead find a few *****corpatorations***** to make a
living.

Another IDIOT came out of nowhere.