XP Updates?

[Hot-Text]

Your choice, of course, but if you continue to run an obsolete
un-updated operating system, the risk of your becoming infected with
malware grows every day.

Ken Ken Ken

I have windows 98
No one like to
infected with malware
no more

How come?

 

[Good Guy]

I have windows 98
No one like to
infected with malware
no more

How come?

Because they know you are Hot-Text and so they don't mess around with you.

How is life treating you these days? When are you going to buy a new
machine? how good are you at setting up Linux server as a tool for
running webserver (Apache,PhP, MySQL) on a commercial basis? Perhaps you
can tell us something about this.

 

[Buffalo]

"Good Guy" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

So why is that drug addict talking about Windows7?



Are you employed by that drug addict to look after his well being? What
qualifications have you got to do this job? The guy clearly needs a
professional therapy and you don't appear to be qualified to do that.
Isn't that so?

He knows what he is talking about and needs no defending.
Perhaps you are mixing Paul up with someone else.

Did you go back and read the first post? If you have not or can't find it,
here is part of it.

Mark Twain said:
"I have also have a Dell Dimension 8200 with XP, SP3, with
Spywareblaster, , SuperAntiSpware, Avast, Malwarebytes and
Windows firewall.

Seagate Barracuda 7200 HD 160Gb
System type: 32-bit operating system

As I understand it, Microsoft no longer supports XP and so there
are no longer updates or service packs. My question is this, is there
some site that provides updates to XP? or do I just use my 8200
as is with no updates? "

Perhaps you just didn't understand the post and/or you are too stubborn to
admit your misread and your piss-poor post.

 

[Good Guy]

Perhaps you just didn't understand the post and/or you are too
stubborn to admit your misread and your piss-poor post.

I knew exactly what I was answering. The OP uses XP and YET he is
talking about security. Now this is oxymoron because XP and security
are mutually exclusive and to make it worse, MS has stopped supplying
any patches for it.

In the last post, the OP said "

I do not use it to surf the Internet or anything else."

Now why does he want security or for that matter why bother with it. To make things worse, that drug addict AKA Paul started talking about Windows 7 saying it is "secure as a bug in a rug". Now only a drug addict would say something like this.

Do you know what is he taking? Is it crystal meth or crack cocaine? Some take marijuana and hashish and searching the web, I noticed that these hard core drugs gives you mental disturbance but I am not expert in these things. You seem to be expert so tell us what is this guy up to? How often do you see him to make sure he is getting the treatment he needs?

This drug addict also suggested that the OP should tinker his registry entries so that he gets patches meant for some other operating system used in ATM. Microsoft has advised people not to do because it makes XP more vulnerable than what it is currently. It is safer to be without patches than to mess around with registry keys but this junkie does not understand it.

 

[Buffalo]

"Good Guy" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

I knew exactly what I was answering. The OP uses XP and YET he is talking
about security. Now this is oxymoron because XP and security are mutually
exclusive and to make it worse, MS has stopped supplying any patches for
it.

In the last post, the OP said "

I do not use it to surf the Internet or anything else."

Now why does he want security or for that matter why bother with it. To
make things worse, that drug addict AKA Paul started talking about Windows
7 saying it is "secure as a bug in a rug". Now only a drug addict would
say something like this.

Do you know what is he taking? Is it crystal meth or crack cocaine? Some
take marijuana and hashish and searching the web, I noticed that these hard
core drugs gives you mental disturbance but I am not expert in these
things. You seem to be expert so tell us what is this guy up to? How
often do you see him to make sure he is getting the treatment he needs?

This drug addict also suggested that the OP should tinker his registry
entries so that he gets patches meant for some other operating system used
in ATM. Microsoft has advised people not to do because it makes XP more
vulnerable than what it is currently. It is safer to be without patches
than to mess around with registry keys but this junkie does not understand
it.

Wow!!!

 

[Nil]

He knows what he is talking about and needs no defending.
Perhaps you are mixing Paul up with someone else.

No. "Good Guy" is still reeling from being put firmly in his place by
Paul. Since then he's been stalking Paul and trying (incompetently) to
spread slanderous rumors about him.

Perhaps you just didn't understand the post and/or you are too
stubborn to admit your misread and your piss-poor post.

You got that part right.

 

[BillW50]

In Buffalo typed:

As I understand it, Microsoft no longer supports XP and so there
are no longer updates or service packs. My question is this, is there
some site that provides updates to XP? or do I just use my 8200
as is with no updates? "

Back in 2008 I bought an Asus EeePC 701 with a 4GB SSD soldered on the
motherboard. Later I purchased some more with 8GB with a replaceable SSD
card. Anyway the first one had Windows XP SP2 on it and I wanted to
install SP3. Guess what? SP3 needs 1.5GB of free disk space to install.
That machine didn't have it.

Back then I thought for sure it was going to be a malware magnet without
updates and I planned on doing a lot of restores to remove them all. But
after a year later, no malware infections at all. I thought that was
pretty strange as all of the experts were saying that shouldn't happen.

So I decided to take about a dozen of other machines and I stopped
updating them too just to watch what would happen. This machine for
example is stock with what Gateway puts on them from the factory from
2006 without any other updates except for one that addresses a
hibernation bug.

Prior to 2008, I always thought those people who don't install security
updates were nuts and just asking for trouble. But apparently they are
not. I do still believe in having a firewall (or a router), AV, and use
another browser that still gets security updates. And keep backups in
case something does happen someday. I've been waiting for 6+ years now
for something to happen and knock on wood, nothing yet.

 

[Hot-Text]

"Good Guy" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

Read the OP first post again. He says " I also have a Dell Dimension 8200
with XP, SP3" and that is what the subject was about.
Your remarks to Paul are pretty BS.

No Buffalo Shit here
but you right 100%

 

[Hot-Text]

I knew exactly what I was answering. The OP uses XP and YET he is talking
about security. Now this is oxymoron because XP and security are mutually
exclusive and to make it worse, MS has stopped supplying any patches for
it.

In the last post, the OP said "

I do not use it to surf the Internet or anything else."

Now why does he want security or for that matter why bother with it. To
make things worse, that drug addict AKA Paul started talking about Windows
7 saying it is "secure as a bug in a rug". Now only a drug addict would
say something like this.

Do you know what is he taking? Is it crystal meth or crack cocaine? Some
take marijuana and hashish and searching the web, I noticed that these
hard core drugs gives you mental disturbance but I am not expert in these
things. You seem to be expert so tell us what is this guy up to? How
often do you see him to make sure he is getting the treatment he needs?

This drug addict also suggested that the OP should tinker his registry
entries so that he gets patches meant for some other operating system used
in ATM. Microsoft has advised people not to do because it makes XP more
vulnerable than what it is currently. It is safer to be without patches
than to mess around with registry keys but this junkie does not understand
it.

Not a 100% all true
Take a Look at
You will see a Update for MSE

It's a One daily updated
< http://store.mynews.ath.cx/users/MPWG/microsoftupdatev6.jpg >

When will it end
Answer is soon

But it will came to a Stop
When Microsoft
More Over too
IE 10 only for Updates

Putting a end too Xp Sp 3 IE 8
<
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/download-ie-MCM?FORM=MDBBDF&PUBL=MSCOM >
Answer is soon

 

[Hot-Text]

Kinda agree with you. I just see it as an added layer of protection,
which may or may not come in handy someday. But sure, as a general rule,
it's a good thing to have - perhaps being analogous to an upgraded
insurance policy.
I very recently did, however, grab the updates, just to see what changes
(if any) I might notice as a consequence. The only one I've noted so far
is a loss of about 1.5 GB of disk space or so, and much of that was due to
.NET 3.5, which I went ahead and allowed it to install (I was feeling
generous at the time) I thought I'd grab and install them (over 100 of
them) before they disappear.
But my point is, prior to this, I hadn't had any security issues here at
home, and still believe the vast number of such are due to 1) opening
suspicious emails and email attachments, and 2) visiting suspicious or
untoward web sites or links(which will definitely do it). But the caveat
here is I'm the only one using this computer, and it's at home, and not in
a business setting, and I'm pretty vigilant about any signs of unusual
behavior or suspicious activity (something not seeming quite right) on
this computer. I also watch where I go. And like you, I have
some disk image backups, just in case.

That Info is 100% right

the vast number of such are due to 1)
opening suspicious emails
and email attachments,
(which will definitely do it).

Just Ask my Wife

 

[Mark Twain]

The whole purpose for my post was to keep the 8200 as current and
as up to date as possible should I need it as a backup. I did not
mean to start any arguments but I will say this; Paul, Ken, and
Buffalo have helped before and Paul stayed with me for weeks helping
resolve issues with both computers.

Robert

 

[Mark Twain]

Hello Paul,

I tried to download the MBSA but I'm not sure
one to choose?

\

Thanks,
Robert

 

[Paul]

Hello Paul,

I tried to download the MBSA but I'm not sure
one to choose?

\

Thanks,
Robert

+-------------- x86 for 32 bit OS, x64 for 64 bit OS
| Your WinXP is likely to be 32 bit.
v
MBSASetup-x86-EN.msi
^
|
+----- language code, EN for English

HTH,
Paul

 

[Mark Twain]

Hello Paul,

I downloaded and installed MBSA but not
having run this before and not knowing my
ISP or how to obtain it I ran a scan for
Microsoft security updates only and gave
me the following.

I tried to follow the directions to fix it
but it all seemed to point to the Windows
Update and again it asked for Active X.

I also went to Microsoft downloads but could
not find anything labeled 'Office Security'

So what do I do?

Thoughts/suggestions?
Thanks,
Robert

 

[Paul]

Hello Paul,

I downloaded and installed MBSA but not
having run this before and not knowing my
ISP or how to obtain it I ran a scan for
Microsoft security updates only and gave
me the following.

I tried to follow the directions to fix it
but it all seemed to point to the Windows
Update and again it asked for Active X.

I also went to Microsoft downloads but could
not find anything labeled 'Office Security'

So what do I do?

Thoughts/suggestions?
Thanks,
Robert

Click the "result details" button.

For example, I have something where the result details lists:

Score ID Description
944036 Internet Explorer 8 for Windows XP
890830 Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool - Aug 2014

The ID number is the KB number. As in KB944036.

They aren't always easy to find.

"Availability of Windows Internet Explorer 8"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/944036

Now, I chose not to install that, because I don't use
Internet Explorer for browsing. In fact, the only
thing IE is used for here, is running Windows Update.

I do a site search like this, in a search engine:

site:microsoft.com kb890830

and that is supposed to only show links on the Microsoft site.

The first hit from that search, takes me here.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/malicious-software-removal-tool-details.aspx

That's just to demonstrate what you do with the information. You use
Windows Update for the Windows ones. If Office needs work, you
switch to Microsoft Update, or, you install them by hand. By doing
a site search, using the KB ID number, I can find a page with a
download link. I only want to be downloading these from Microsoft,
not from CNET

*******

So you have "Office Security Updates" to work on (at your discretion).
If you absolutely never use Office or the free Office Viewer tools,
then you could ignore this section. I use the Office Viewer tools
myself, which means I wanted/needed to fix these.

I would click the Result Details button, and it will list at
least fifteen updates for Office. Some of them are Visual Studio
redistributable libraries. Each line item has an ID number.
Some are a bit hard to interpret what needs to be done, or
where to find the file.

So when Microsoft Update works, it saves a *lot* of work. If
it is broken, yes, you can do the updates by hand. You have
an ID number for each line item in the report. It took me a while
to work through the fifteen items, find them, download them and
install them. Each one from a different, separate Microsoft web
page.

HTH,
Paul

 

[Mark Twain]

Hello Paul,

Well, I actually don't use Office, so I guess I
don't need it. I was just trying to cover all the
bases.

I thought MBSA would give me the links. I didn't
realize I would have to search for them!

Also, with Microsoft Updates were back to the question
of Active X which doesn't install even after I've clicked
the notification to allow it to install but nothing happens.

'Hot Text' is suggesting that to install Active X I need to
remove the old version but I don't know where my Internet
browsing history is? I also don't understand the reason for
all the other commands? Do you recommend this?


Thanks,
Robert

 

[Paul]

Hello Paul,

Well, I actually don't use Office, so I guess I
don't need it. I was just trying to cover all the
bases.

I thought MBSA would give me the links. I didn't
realize I would have to search for them!

Also, with Microsoft Updates were back to the question
of Active X which doesn't install even after I've clicked
the notification to allow it to install but nothing happens.

'Hot Text' is suggesting that to install Active X I need to
remove the old version but I don't know where my Internet
browsing history is? I also don't understand the reason for
all the other commands? Do you recommend this?


Thanks,
Robert

I haven't forgotten about you.

I had to prepare a backup of my WinXP first, before making
any changes. So I could experiment and become familiar with
the available tools. This is what I've got so far...

*******

I tried Hot Text's procedure. And as near as I can tell,
removing those two doesn't have any lasting effect. Windows
Update did not try to put them back. The available Fixit did
not consider those "missing files", and did not put them back.
I was still able to use Windows Update after deleting them.
On IE6, you can see the items in question here, before I
deleted them. I wasn't able to make them come back, no
matter what I tried. And Windows Update continued to work.
It's possible these are old and derelict files of some sort.

http://i59.tinypic.com/wiu795.gif

*******

One reason things might be failing, is your security settings.
Or one of your AV or other forms of protection, might be
preventing the running of ActiveX files. Some AV programs
have "temporary disable", but I don't know whether this
would make a difference or not.

You can reset Internet Explorer, to put the security sliders
back to their nominal positions. In IE6, I can see a Restore
Defaults in the Advanced section. So that remains a possibility.
I didn't experiment with purposely breaking ActiveX installation,
because there is no way for me to know whether I've successfully
modeled your control settings for IE security or not. Internet
Explorer uses a slider for Internet Zone and low/medium/high
security, so that's one way to change these things. There are
a ton of separate settings, of which I can't tell what half
of them do. For me, the slider is about all I can handle

*******

I could find two "Fixit" programs. They seem to be the same size
and have the same effects.

"Automatically reset Windows Update components"

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971058

(This link is what I downloaded and ran)

http://diagnostics.support.microsof...247627&eventseqno=2&buttonclickno=1&_ext=.exe

(I selected the option to review what it was going to do,
before letting it repair. It didn't find any problems. But,
it still offered to do a separate file check anyway.)

This second one, I got from going to the Fixit page and looking for it.

"Windows Update Fixit"
http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9767096

http://diagnostics.support.microsof...672697&eventseqno=2&buttonclickno=1&_ext=.exe

Both seem to be doing the same things. I would
arbitrarily select the first one for your purposes,
and leave the second one for some other day.

Both of those are 347,816 byte files.

*******

I could find a Windows Update installer as such.

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=91237

http://download.windowsupdate.com/w...one/7.4.7600.226/WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe

When the WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe file downloads,
if you run it, it will politely refuse, as it will
find the program was previously installed.

So, if you open a Command Prompt, CD to where you
downloaded it, you can run it from there and force it in.
My file was in C:\downloads when I tried this step.

(Command Prompt)

C:
cd \
cd Downloads
WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce

The installer ran. But I couldn't tell if anything
really got changed or not.

*******

Now, before I ran some of these tests, I opened the
Windows Update web page in IE (from the Program menu
entry in the desktop), and I selected the change to
Microsoft Update. The ActiveX installed and I was in
Microsoft Update.

This was the screen before the ActiveX is downloaded.
You probably tried this screen, and the failure was
right after this one.

http://i61.tinypic.com/33trn2f.gif

None of the fixit packages or the WindowsUpdateAgent30,
would change me back to Windows Update as my preference,
from the Microsoft Update choice. However, the web page that
opens, has a button to switch you back.

You can see the button, after you select "Change settings".

http://i57.tinypic.com/34glspc.gif

After that one runs, the next time you go to the
Program Menu, you should see the Microsoft Update
has been changed to a Windows Update entry, and the
position of the entry could shift in the Program Menu
(up or down). When you then run Windows Update, it
will need to download its ActiveX.

The question in your case, is whether you can get to
any control, which causes the ActiveX to download.
I would only do that, after modifying whatever
is wrong with your ability to download and
execute ActiveX.

Paul

 

[Mark Twain]

Hello Paul,

Wow, that's allot for me to digest!

In passing, my 8500 notified me of
a Java update which I did but it also
installed something called Freesofttoday.

Is this safe or should I remove it? I looked
it up and opinion seems to swing both ways.

Thanks,
Robert

 

[Paul]

Hello Paul,

Wow, that's allot for me to digest!

In passing, my 8500 notified me of
a Java update which I did but it also
installed something called Freesofttoday.

Is this safe or should I remove it? I looked
it up and opinion seems to swing both ways.

Thanks,
Robert

Java updates, as far as I know, include adware.
But there should be a tick box at installation
time, to deny entry. I would not add *anything*
to the computer, which has hitched a ride.

For example, I downloaded Google Earth, and put
it in a VM on my laptop. I went out to the kitchen
to make coffee, and when I came back, I was staring
at a Chrome web browser window. I knew of the
possibility it would be installed, but while
I was in the kitchen, I expected the installer
to stop and wait for "tick box" input from the
user. And apparently I was given no chance to
stop the "hitching a ride" Chrome browser.

So you have to be very careful with just about
any download. The Chrome was easy to remove,
and there was a removal entry in Programs and Features.

In terms of what I accept on my computer, it depends
on how it got into my computer. If someone tries
to put "Freesofttoday" on my computer, it is denied
because I didn't ask for it.

In this picture, you can see FreeSofttoday is just
adding random advertising. It's not performing a
service for you or anything. It's performing a
service (advertising exposures) to make money
for FreeSofttoday developers. It has turned your
machine into a money-maker for them.

http://malwaretips.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/freesofttoday-virus.jpg

I hope there is even a reason for Java to be on the
computer. My computers here don't have Java installed.
Java is used by some web sites for games. I once had
commercial software on my machine, for a VPN connection
to work, and so on that machine, Java would stay installed.
Java was doing the encryption for the VPN connection.
But other machines here, actually have no need of Java,
so it stays off the computer. And then doesn't need
the updates. No Java updates come here. No "Freesofttoday"
hitches a ride on the download.

Paul

 

[Paul]

Hello Paul,

Wow, that's allot for me to digest!

In passing, my 8500 notified me of
a Java update which I did but it also
installed something called Freesofttoday.

Is this safe or should I remove it? I looked
it up and opinion seems to swing both ways.

Thanks,
Robert

When I work with Java (temporarily), I look for
the following. Look for "Other installers" on
the Java download page, and you end up here.

http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp

There is

Windows Offline
filesize: 28.0 MB

and a quick examination of that doesn't show
any adware included in the package. I didn't
scan it with virustotal or anything.

It's possible the following file offers more
opportunities to include other software while
it automatically installs. This is the file that
Oracle wants you to use... so I use the other one.

Windows Online
filesize: 896 KB

You may have acquired your Java update from
a fake site of some sort.

Paul