O.T. - Surge Protectors


M

magineer02

I have a Dell XPS 8500, with Windows 7 Professional, SP1,
with Spywareblaster, SuperAntiSpyware, Avast, Windows
Defender and Windows firewall.

(1) TB HD
Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-33-3770 CPU @ 3.40 GHz 3.40 GHz
Ram 12.0 GB
System type : 64-bit operating system


I also have a Dell Dimension 8200(Seagate Barracuda 7200 HD 160Gb)
with XP, SP3, with Spywareblaster, Avast, and Windows firewall.

I have a APC surge protector at present but
I am now unable to turn it off. So should I
just buy another APC or do you have other
recommendations?

Thanks,
Robert
 
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Norm X

Spywareblaster, SuperAntiSpyware, Avast, Windows
Defender and Windows firewall.

You've been suckered by the pro-anti-virus-Trojan-worm-botnet industry. Can
you do any useful work?
 
B

Buffalo

wrote in message
I have a Dell XPS 8500, with Windows 7 Professional, SP1,
with Spywareblaster, SuperAntiSpyware, Avast, Windows
Defender and Windows firewall.

(1) TB HD
Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-33-3770 CPU @ 3.40 GHz 3.40 GHz
Ram 12.0 GB
System type : 64-bit operating system


I also have a Dell Dimension 8200(Seagate Barracuda 7200 HD 160Gb)
with XP, SP3, with Spywareblaster, Avast, and Windows firewall.

I have a APC surge protector at present but
I am now unable to turn it off. So should I
just buy another APC or do you have other
recommendations?

Thanks,
Robert
Will it not shut off with the physical button on the APC or just through its
program?
If it is through the software program, I would suggest you reinstall (over
the top) that program.
After looking at all you did to your machine recently, it is very possibly
that you deleted or uninstalled some of the APC program.
 
P

philo 

wrote in message

Will it not shut off with the physical button on the APC or just through
its program?
If it is through the software program, I would suggest you reinstall
(over the top) that program.
After looking at all you did to your machine recently, it is very
possibly that you deleted or uninstalled some of the APC program.



Also: if it still works there really is no need to shut it off unless
you were going to store it for a while with the battery still in it.
 
C

casey.o

I have a Dell XPS 8500, with Windows 7 Professional, SP1,
with Spywareblaster, SuperAntiSpyware, Avast, Windows
Defender and Windows firewall.

(1) TB HD
Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-33-3770 CPU @ 3.40 GHz 3.40 GHz
Ram 12.0 GB
System type : 64-bit operating system


I also have a Dell Dimension 8200(Seagate Barracuda 7200 HD 160Gb)
with XP, SP3, with Spywareblaster, Avast, and Windows firewall.

I have a APC surge protector at present but
I am now unable to turn it off. So should I
just buy another APC or do you have other
recommendations?

Thanks,
Robert

With all that AV software eating up resources, can you do anything else
with the computer besides check for malware?

AV software is one of the worst things to slow down computers. I dont
have ANY of it running ALL THE TIME. I have one AV and one Spyware
program, and I run both of them manually when I feel the need. None of
them load at bootup.

While viruses and spyware are a real threat, the companies that make
lots of money off that software want to SELL SELL SELL. They make it
sound much more important than it really is. They are similar to
crooked companies that sell life insurance. Much if not most of it is
based on lies and exaggerations, and bullshit.

Your computer is so busy scanning for malware, and probably sending data
to the AV companies that need to take more of your money, that it simply
will not shut off.....

If it was mine, I'd unplug it from the internet, pull the power plug,
insert the Windows Install CD, plug it back in, boot from the CD, format
the harddrive, and reinstall your OS WITHOUT all that AV crap.

Just my honest opinion!

BTW: Most of preventing malware is YOU. Dont ever let any software get
installed online. Download it, scan it first, then manually install it.
NEVER install any browser toolbars, and avouid going to questionable
websites. Plus, never open attachments in emails unless they are
pictures, and only from people you know.
 
P

Paul

With all that AV software eating up resources, can you do anything else
with the computer besides check for malware?

AV software is one of the worst things to slow down computers. I dont
have ANY of it running ALL THE TIME. I have one AV and one Spyware
program, and I run both of them manually when I feel the need. None of
them load at bootup.

While viruses and spyware are a real threat, the companies that make
lots of money off that software want to SELL SELL SELL. They make it
sound much more important than it really is. They are similar to
crooked companies that sell life insurance. Much if not most of it is
based on lies and exaggerations, and bullshit.

Your computer is so busy scanning for malware, and probably sending data
to the AV companies that need to take more of your money, that it simply
will not shut off.....

If it was mine, I'd unplug it from the internet, pull the power plug,
insert the Windows Install CD, plug it back in, boot from the CD, format
the harddrive, and reinstall your OS WITHOUT all that AV crap.

Just my honest opinion!

BTW: Most of preventing malware is YOU. Dont ever let any software get
installed online. Download it, scan it first, then manually install it.
NEVER install any browser toolbars, and avouid going to questionable
websites. Plus, never open attachments in emails unless they are
pictures, and only from people you know.

His 8500 has a 3770 processor, with four cores and eight threads.
He can "afford" some protection. He's swimming in performance.
His computer is roughly four times more powerful than mine
(as measured by Passmark).

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

Paul
 
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M

magineer02

Thanks Paul,

I guess I'll just buy another APC.

@Buffalo - no, its not through a software program.
I physically switch it off after the computers
have powered down. Thanks anyway.

Robert
 
P

philo 

Thanks Paul,

I guess I'll just buy another APC.

@Buffalo - no, its not through a software program.
I physically switch it off after the computers
have powered down. Thanks anyway.

Robert


Forgot to mention:

I work on a lot of UPS's and I've seen some with dead (or weak)
batteries fail to power off. Did you test the battery?
If not do so.


Plug a lamp into the UPS , then unplug it.
 
B

Buffalo

"philo " wrote in message news:[email protected]
Forgot to mention:

I work on a lot of UPS's and I've seen some with dead (or weak) batteries
fail to power off. Did you test the battery?
If not do so.


Plug a lamp into the UPS , then unplug it.
Hey Philo, do you know of a site or have knowledge on how to acquire
replacement batteries for APC UPSs?
Buying them from APC is very expensive. I even thought of buying a small 12v
lead acid battery and just have it next to my UPS and connect it with some
homemade wires. :(
 
P

Paul

Buffalo said:
"philo " wrote in message news:[email protected]
Hey Philo, do you know of a site or have knowledge on how to acquire
replacement batteries for APC UPSs?
Buying them from APC is very expensive. I even thought of buying a small
12v lead acid battery and just have it next to my UPS and connect it
with some homemade wires. :(

The original battery in my APC lasted for around ten years.

I got a replacement at NCIX, which is our Canadian equivalent of Newegg.
This is a different after-market model than the one I got. My UPS originally
was $250 and the replacement battery is in the $65 range. Some APC boxes
have two batteries in them, so make sure you know the configuration.

http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=47566H&vpn=RBC3&manufacture=AMERICAN BATTERY

Both the original battery and my replacement, are Chinese batteries.
APC just placed their sticker over top of the Chinese battery
company printed name. It's not like the original battery was
made in an APC plant of some sort.

And no, I don't recommend just any battery. The SLA (Sealed Lead Acid)
is designed not to spew hydrogen gas into the room. If you connect a
car battery, they outgas as they charge. So you at least want to
use an SLA.

Some APC models, there are different hardware over the years. And
two possible replacement batteries. And it's up to the user to
figure out what they bought, and what to replace it with. You can always
disassemble the UPS, take out the battery and compare to pictures on the web,
for ones with similar connector placement and voltage. I didn't really
enjoy the shopping experience all that much, as I never had a strong
feeling I was buying the correct battery for it. But, it's up and
running again.

Paul
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Hey Philo, do you know of a site or have knowledge on how to acquire
replacement batteries for APC UPSs?
Buying them from APC is very expensive. I even thought of buying a small 12v
lead acid battery and just have it next to my UPS and connect it with some
homemade wires. :(


I get mine at a local branch of Batteries Plus. I believe it's a
nationwide (USA) chain.


You could also try Amazon.com
 
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philo 

Hey Philo, do you know of a site or have knowledge on how to acquire
replacement batteries for APC UPSs?
Buying them from APC is very expensive. I even thought of buying a small
12v lead acid battery and just have it next to my UPS and connect it
with some homemade wires. :(



Ironically, I worked for Enersys but the industrial battery division...
so we'd have to pick up the small ones locally and they often were our
own batteries. It was so easy to do and to get them through our own
system would have been more trouble than it's worth.


Surely you must have a local battery supplier. They are certainly going
to be less expensive than getting them directly from APC.

Through the years I've worked with most of the brands and they all held
up pretty well. I don't know if this means anything or not but I still
have an EaglePicher battery in my work shop that's 22 years old. It's
fairly weak but still has some capacity left.
 
B

Buffalo

"Paul" wrote in message news:[email protected]
The original battery in my APC lasted for around ten years.

I got a replacement at NCIX, which is our Canadian equivalent of Newegg.
This is a different after-market model than the one I got. My UPS
originally
was $250 and the replacement battery is in the $65 range. Some APC boxes
have two batteries in them, so make sure you know the configuration.

http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=47566H&vpn=RBC3&manufacture=AMERICAN BATTERY

Both the original battery and my replacement, are Chinese batteries.
APC just placed their sticker over top of the Chinese battery
company printed name. It's not like the original battery was
made in an APC plant of some sort.

And no, I don't recommend just any battery. The SLA (Sealed Lead Acid)
is designed not to spew hydrogen gas into the room. If you connect a
car battery, they outgas as they charge. So you at least want to
use an SLA.

I will just use a fan to disperse the fumes. :)
Actually I am not worried about the fumes from a small battery in my room.
Some APC models, there are different hardware over the years. And
two possible replacement batteries. And it's up to the user to
figure out what they bought, and what to replace it with. You can always
disassemble the UPS, take out the battery and compare to pictures on the
web,
for ones with similar connector placement and voltage. I didn't really
enjoy the shopping experience all that much, as I never had a strong
feeling I was buying the correct battery for it. But, it's up and
running again.

Paul

I was thinking of getting a higher amp battery so that it would stay on
longer during a power outage.

Thanks for the info.

Whoops, just ordered a 3yr warranty battery for my UPS from ebay. SLA :)
 
B

Buffalo

"philo " wrote in message news:[email protected]
Ironically, I worked for Enersys but the industrial battery division...
so we'd have to pick up the small ones locally and they often were our own
batteries. It was so easy to do and to get them through our own system
would have been more trouble than it's worth.


Surely you must have a local battery supplier. They are certainly going to
be less expensive than getting them directly from APC.

Through the years I've worked with most of the brands and they all held up
pretty well. I don't know if this means anything or not but I still have an
EaglePicher battery in my work shop that's 22 years old. It's fairly weak
but still has some capacity left.
Thanks, for your input. I just ordered a PowerStar battery off E-bay with
free Shipping.
I decided to buy one that is sealed (SLA) and not screw around anymore.
 
P

Paul

Buffalo said:
"philo " wrote in message news:[email protected]
Thanks, for your input. I just ordered a PowerStar battery off E-bay
with free Shipping.
I decided to buy one that is sealed (SLA) and not screw around anymore.

Did you order one using the part number your UPS uses ?
Or did you select one based on voltage alone ?

Paul
 
C

casey.o

His 8500 has a 3770 processor, with four cores and eight threads.
He can "afford" some protection. He's swimming in performance.
His computer is roughly four times more powerful than mine
(as measured by Passmark).

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

Paul

That sounds like a pretty fast system, but I still cant see running that
much AV software. Seems excessive! One of the big problems with
computers is that everytime the hardware makers make a faster system, MS
bogs it down with all the bloat and crap they add to their newest OSs.
Then running all that AV stuff bogs it down more.

If drivers were made for Win98, to use on newer computers, I cant
imagien how fast it would run on a 3770 processor. But no drivers exist
anymore. Thinking back to my original XT computer, and my 286, 386, and
486 computers, the speed has only slightly increased, because everytime
the hardware is made faster, MS robs all the power. Even XP SP2 is
slightly slower than Win98, using a faster computer.
 
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Buffalo

wrote in message news:[email protected]
That sounds like a pretty fast system, but I still cant see running that
much AV software. Seems excessive! One of the big problems with
computers is that everytime the hardware makers make a faster system, MS
bogs it down with all the bloat and crap they add to their newest OSs.
Then running all that AV stuff bogs it down more.

If drivers were made for Win98, to use on newer computers, I cant
imagien how fast it would run on a 3770 processor. But no drivers exist
anymore. Thinking back to my original XT computer, and my 286, 386, and
486 computers, the speed has only slightly increased, because everytime
the hardware is made faster, MS robs all the power. Even XP SP2 is
slightly slower than Win98, using a faster computer.

Excessive? Not really.
SpywareBlaster basically uses no resources.
SuperAntiSpyware (free version) in an on-demand only scanner, not real time
so no wasted resources when not scanning and not loaded.
Avast -very low footprint in resources compared to most anti-virus programs,
except for their web scanning option which I find slows surfing.
Windows Defender (no idea)
Windows Firewall (no idea)
 
J

J. P. Gilliver (John)

Buffalo said:
"philo " wrote in message news:[email protected]
On 03/06/2014 11:30 AM, Buffalo wrote: []
replacement batteries for APC UPSs?
Buying them from APC is very expensive. I even thought of buying a small
12v lead acid battery and just have it next to my UPS and connect it
with some homemade wires. :(
[]
Thanks, for your input. I just ordered a PowerStar battery off E-bay
with free Shipping.
I decided to buy one that is sealed (SLA) and not screw around anymore.

I'm slightly puzzled: here in UK, the only moderate-capacity lead-acid
batteries widely available (and that not very, mainly from Maplin) _are_
the sealed sort; are small car-battery-like (non-sealed) batteries
commonly available in USA?
 
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B

BillW50

In J. P. Gilliver (John) typed:
I'm slightly puzzled: here in UK, the only moderate-capacity lead-acid
batteries widely available (and that not very, mainly from Maplin)
_are_ the sealed sort; are small car-battery-like (non-sealed)
batteries commonly available in USA?

Yes, quite popular for riding lawnmowers and such.
 

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