Worst design fault in windows.

[Three Lefts]

Wrong most of the time i am only using the mouse.

He may be wrong about how you use your machine, but you are wrong
about which is more efficient. I'll set you up against my son who is a
keyboard shortcut wizard. You can define the task. He'll have it half
done before you have your first menu selected.

Keyboard shortcuts can be 2-3 times quicker than mouse clicks.

 

[Three Lefts]

Not if all your windows are open at full-screen bucko.

Then his original premise would not apply. His point is that if he can
see the desktop, he ought to be able to click on it to bring it to the
top. I believe he is correct about that, somewhat minor, point.

 

[Three Lefts]

in message



Geez, some idiots just feel compelled to publicize they are boobs.

Which is what you are doing, right?

Think about your own physical desk in your office. Touch it and it
comes to the top which means your telephone, monitor, papers, pens,
and everything else that was atop the desk is now buried under the
desk. Yeah, sure, that sure makes a usable working environment.

That's a completely useless and inappropriate analogy. Using that
logic, we need to get rid of being able to bring a document to the top
by clicking on it. That won't work on my physcial desk, either.

He has a valid point. Why can't you MSFT apologists just admit it?

A boob that is so engrained on using only the mouse that he can't
manage to hit Win+M or click on the Show Desktop shortcut in the
QuickLaunch toolbar. Wonder how he managed to type in his post. Must
have an onscreen character map that he clicks on with his mouse.

He is a bit rigid about his mouse, but that is a separate issue.

How is Win+M different from Win+D? Doesn't appear to be a toggle.

BTW: Where are these documented? My copy of help has no Win+ shortcuts
in the keyboard shortcut section. If MSFT is such a great company, how
come the help is so awful?

He sure got his moniker correct. He is definitely a turkey.

Now you are just being juvenile.

 

[Three Lefts]

Hmm. Micros~1 has buckets full of experienced designers, psychologists,
focus groups, feedback evaluators, industrial and time-and-motion experts,
and more.

They know what's best for you.

If you believe that, you get what you deserve.

Should you still disagree, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the
contrary,

What evidence? (Other than your opinion)

 

[throwitout]

It's not open source. Otherwise I would.

So? Doesn't mean you can't fix it if it really bugs you.

Here's a quick AutoIT script ( http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/ )
that will minimize all windows

While 1
if WinActive("Program Manager") Then
send("#m")
EndIf
sleep(500)
WEnd

 

[Ian D]

What does that have to do with anything? If no other OS has some
feature, then none should have it? That would be the end of progress.


You mean he doesn't agree with you.

He has a valid point. It's not a huge point, fairly minor point,
actually, buy a valid one nonetheless. In Windows, if you click on
something, it gets the focus, which means that it comes to the top.
This doesn't happen with the desktop, which means it's a desing
inconsistency. It's valid point.

Focus is what's it's all about, and probably that's why MS designed
it the way they did. Think about it. You have several apps open,
then you accidently click on the desktop. Boom, everything is
minimised. People probably inadvertently click on the desktop often,
but it now has no effect. Think of the complaints if that was changed.
In addition, for productivity, it's possible to set up the desktop so that
whatever window the mouse cursor is in automatically gets the focus,
called X-mouse. In that case, every time the cursor touched the desktop
everything would minimise. In fact it would be impossible to run
applications in anything less than full screen. If an application is
minimised you go to the taskbar to open it, then, as soon as the cursor
hits the desktop it's minimised again. The same would apply to clicking
an icon to open an application.

That's probably why MS designed it so that a separate action must
be taken to bring the desktop to the foreground.

 

[Three Lefts]

Focus is what's it's all about, and probably that's why MS designed
it the way they did. Think about it. You have several apps open,
then you accidently click on the desktop. Boom, everything is
minimised. People probably inadvertently click on the desktop often,
but it now has no effect. Think of the complaints if that was changed.
In addition, for productivity, it's possible to set up the desktop so that
whatever window the mouse cursor is in automatically gets the focus,
called X-mouse. In that case, every time the cursor touched the desktop
everything would minimise. In fact it would be impossible to run
applications in anything less than full screen. If an application is
minimised you go to the taskbar to open it, then, as soon as the cursor
hits the desktop it's minimised again. The same would apply to clicking
an icon to open an application.

That's probably why MS designed it so that a separate action must
be taken to bring the desktop to the foreground.

You may be right. At least that's a plausible explanation. Of course,
it is possible to have the best of both worlds. MS could have provided
an option in the Desktop properties so that folks like LTC could have
it their way. The default would be how it is now.

 

[Doug W.]

So, if you don't like what he says and you have no good
response, you
start name calling? He has a valid point.

-
The point is...he is looking for a solution to a non-problem in
most user's eyes. My opinion is just as "valid" as yours.
-

 

[Three Lefts]

-
The point is...he is looking for a solution to a non-problem in
most user's eyes.

That's *your* point.

But so what? The vast majority of Windows "problems" are of little or
no interest to "most users".

My opinion is just as "valid" as yours.

Yes, your opinion is as valid as anyone's. I just don't understand why
you need to trash this guy for having his opinion. He has a valid,
albeit minor, point. His tone was not so great and it degenereated
from there, but yours was not so great either.

If you think it's a non-problem, ignore it.

 

[Twayne]

When you click on the desktop it should be brought to the top (show

desktop).

How can a group of idiots get to design a major piece of software so
badly?

Another complainer/bottom feeder.

--
--
Regards,

Twayne

Open Office isn't just for wimps anymore;
OOo is a GREAT MS Office replacement
www.openoffice.org

 

[Lord Turkey Cough]

Focus is what's it's all about, and probably that's why MS designed
it the way they did. Think about it. You have several apps open,
then you accidently click on the desktop. Boom, everything is
minimised.

Bull. People no more inadvertantly click on the desktop than they
click on the start button and then inadvertantly shutdown, or click on
any window and Boom everything is gone.
Anyway everything would not be minimised, that is just you iintroducing
another design fault into the system, instead the desktop would merely be
brought to the fore, clicking on it would put it in the background.

People probably inadvertently click on the desktop often,
but it now has no effect. Think of the complaints if that was changed.
In addition, for productivity, it's possible to set up the desktop so that
whatever window the mouse cursor is in automatically gets the focus,
called X-mouse. In that case, every time the cursor touched the desktop
everything would minimise.

And if you touched a big window you would bring that to the fore
making other windows inaccessable.

In fact it would be impossible to run
applications in anything less than full screen. If an application is
minimised you go to the taskbar to open it, then, as soon as the cursor
hits the desktop it's minimised again. The same would apply to clicking
an icon to open an application.

No you have got it all wrong.

 

[Lord Turkey Cough]

Then his original premise would not apply. His point is that if he can
see the desktop, he ought to be able to click on it to bring it to the
top. I believe he is correct about that, somewhat minor, point.

Yes and especially when you consider how important the desktops is.
It is your most important window, it contains all you most important
tools and information. It should take president of other stuff in terms of
easy access. The current implimation is illogical and un-ergonomic.

 

[PD43]

Yes and especially when you consider how important the desktops
[sic] is. It is your most important window, it contains all you
[sic] most important tools and information. It should take
president [sic] of other stuff in terms of easy access. The
current implimation [sic] is illogical and un-ergonomic.

Pass your GED yet?

 

[Lord Turkey Cough]

He may be wrong about how you use your machine, but you are wrong
about which is more efficient. I'll set you up against my son who is a
keyboard shortcut wizard. You can define the task. He'll have it half
done before you have your first menu selected.

Not using one hand he won't, it is not desirable to have to use trhe
keyboard all the time. IF I took away the mouse is computer would be nigh on
unusable.
I can accomplish any task just using the mouse,

 

[Lord Turkey Cough]

So? Doesn't mean you can't fix it if it really bugs you.

Here's a quick AutoIT script ( http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/ )
that will minimize all windows

I will try that, I tried to fiind something lilke that before but with no
luck, well not without paying for it anyway.

 

[Lord Turkey Cough]

Another complainer/bottom feeder.

Another twat.

 

[Lord Turkey Cough]

Yes and especially when you consider how important the desktops
[sic] is. It is your most important window, it contains all you
[sic] most important tools and information. It should take
president [sic] of other stuff in terms of easy access. The
current implimation [sic] is illogical and un-ergonomic.

Pass your GED yet?

Hey arsehole, you think the world stops at the Yankie border.
Thanks for proving you are an idiot.

 

[Three Lefts]

Yes and especially when you consider how important the desktops
[sic] is. It is your most important window, it contains all you
[sic] most important tools and information. It should take
president [sic] of other stuff in terms of easy access. The
current implimation [sic] is illogical and un-ergonomic.

Pass your GED yet?

Classic. When some people can't win the argument with logic, they
resort to name calling and pointing out typos. I think it was pretty
clear what he meant.

 

[Three Lefts]

Not using one hand he won't, it is not desirable to have to use trhe
keyboard all the time. IF I took away the mouse is computer would be nigh on
unusable.
I can accomplish any task just using the mouse,

OK, I give up. You are right and everyone else is wrong.

 

[Lord Turkey Cough]

OK, I give up. You are right and everyone else is wrong.

No need to be rude. However it is no surprise that I am right.
And I think it is a bit underhand to respond in that way to give the
impression that you are being gracious when infact you are being quite the
opposite.

And for you to say that "Windows key-D is much quicker" is merely your
opinion
which is not backed up by any evidence. Firstly it assumes you have your
hand
on the keyboard which is a speculative assumption and secondly even in a
situation
of a some using a keyboard against someone using a mouse it would depend on
the relative position of the mouse pointer and the position of the keyboards
users
hands on the keyboard.

If people can't discuss something sensible what is the point?

If you want to enter a smart answers competion with me that is rather
pointless
because I will win that too. As I just did. So the net effect is that you
look
doubley stupid. So what is the point?