WinXP-64 and Athlon64

[db]

It sure does - every single time.




Done that - no effect. It simply just won't play ball with me.
J.

stupid question , but are you turning your pc off with the cd in your
cd/dvd rom and rebooting? cos if your not you'll hit yourself.

lol

 

[Michael Paul]

I would suggest you uninstall WinRAR until you're done with the
.ISO. The file from Microsoft is a .ISO file. [...]

Just did that, and guess what? Same difference. I burned the
ISO file directly onto the CD without opening it,

How did you do that? It is recommended then to start your CD burning
application and select the option to load an image file.

and the contents are identical with the one I burned after having
opened the*.rar file and then burned it (543Mb).

And that CD didn't boot either?
You inserted that CD, shutdown your machine and fired it up again?

I guess I'll have to live with the fact that I thought I bought a
64-bit computer, but in reality, it's still a 32-bit machine.

In that case there should be a message complaining incomatible hardware
after you have booted your machine from that CD.
I think, there is another issue with your computer. Just try booting
another CD like Knoppix or your normal Windows CD. Does this work?
Or the media you have used are of poor quality, so it might help to use
other media.

If you want to find out what hardware your machine is built from, I'd
recommend Everest from Lavalys.com (formerly known as AIDA32).

Michael

 

[Dee]

Just did that, and guess what? Same difference. I burned the ISO file
directly onto the CD without opening it, and the contents are identical with
the one I burned after having opened the*.rar file and then burned it
(543Mb). I guess I'll have to live with the fact that I thought I bought a
64-bit computer, but in reality, it's still a 32-bit machine. I did pump in
2Gb of RAM into it though, so that helps, speed-wise. Thank you, Michael and
Dee: it was really very kind of you both to try and solve my unsolvable
problem. I'll be going to the U.S. this summer, and maybe by that time
they'll issue a commercial version of the XP 64.
J.

Go to the following URL:

http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm

and download the first item on the list. It's a .MSI file. Right click
on the file and Install it. After it has installed, right click on the
..ISO and you will see an option to burn it to CD.

 

[J.Venning]

Hi, Guys! I thought I'd let you know that I managed to make it work -
after a bit of sneaky manoeuvring though. I inserted the installation CD
from the original package and set it to install a fresh XP system, but just
before it could react, I took out that CD and replaced it with the one on
which I burned the 64-bit system, and it accepted it ! I am now running on
XP Pro x64 Edition ! Wheeee ! Two last questions - what happens after 360
days and Microsoft hasn't put it on the market? How do you get rid of the
annoying message at the bottom left-hand corner telling you that this is
"Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, Evaluation copy, Built 3790 (Service
Pack 1, v1289) " ?
J.

 

[Dee]

Hi, Guys! I thought I'd let you know that I managed to make it work -
after a bit of sneaky manoeuvring though. I inserted the installation CD
from the original package and set it to install a fresh XP system, but just
before it could react, I took out that CD and replaced it with the one on
which I burned the 64-bit system, and it accepted it ! I am now running on
XP Pro x64 Edition ! Wheeee ! Two last questions - what happens after 360
days and Microsoft hasn't put it on the market? How do you get rid of the
annoying message at the bottom left-hand corner telling you that this is
"Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, Evaluation copy, Built 3790 (Service
Pack 1, v1289) " ?
J.

At the end of the 360 day trial period it will first tell you the trial
period is up and then within 2 hours your computer will shutdown!

 

[Rod Williams]

Hi,

I've got a Athlon64 3200+ and wanted to know if it would be worth it to
download the WinXP-64 beta release from Microsoft?

1) First question is, does the new OS also require 64-bit drivers for all
my periphs? Will the 32-bit drivers also work?

2) Second question, although the OS will be 64-bit will my 32-bit programs
run any faster on it? Or will my 32-bit programs actually run slower on a
64-bit OS?

Since all my apps are currently 32-bit, I don't really see any need to move
to a 64-bit OS if my programs won't run any faster. Any comments would be
appreciated. Thanks.

All you will be doing is trouble shooting another Microsoft piece of
garbage for them, so they can then come back and make you buy it when it
is released. If they gave you a final copy, for doing their work for
them, I might not have as much of a problem.

 

[Randy Howard]

Thanks - will do. Here goes.

Or, you could just rename the file to .iso and try that first.

 

[Randy Howard]

If you really want to _work_ with an 64bit OS you have either
- to wait another year until WindowsXP64 is ready to market or

Their targeted date is actually 3 months from now, and RC1 is
available to those that apply on their website. RC1 is not
typically a year from gold master.

- install Linux for x86-64

A great idea, if he knows Linux. If he doesn't (and judging by
the thread so far it seems unlikely) it's a really bad idea.

 

[Randy Howard]

Hi, Guys! I thought I'd let you know that I managed to make it work -
after a bit of sneaky manoeuvring though. I inserted the installation CD
from the original package and set it to install a fresh XP system, but just
before it could react, I took out that CD and replaced it with the one on
which I burned the 64-bit system, and it accepted it ! I am now running on
XP Pro x64 Edition ! Wheeee ! Two last questions - what happens after 360
days and Microsoft hasn't put it on the market? How do you get rid of the
annoying message at the bottom left-hand corner telling you that this is
"Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, Evaluation copy, Built 3790 (Service
Pack 1, v1289) " ?

Purchase the official release when it comes out and use that instead.

 

[J.Venning]

At the end of the 360 day trial period it will first tell you the trial
period is up and then within 2 hours your computer will shutdown!

Ugh! Just encountered the first clash - Norton IS clashes with the
built-in firewall, and since this version cannot be updated with anything,
let alone SP 2, I can't use Norton IS.
J.

 

[J.Venning]

(e-mail address removed)
Purchase the official release when it comes out and use that instead.<

That, is precisely what I intend to do. My question was, "What happens,
if the official release doesn't come out before the expiry date runs out?".
I was hoping someone here would come with a more imaginative answer like
cracking it to set the expiry date a few years from now.
J.

 

[f/fgeorge]

That, is precisely what I intend to do. My question was, "What happens,
if the official release doesn't come out before the expiry date runs out?".
I was hoping someone here would come with a more imaginative answer like
cracking it to set the expiry date a few years from now.
J.

The crack would be available in the warez groups, if at all, NOT in a
group like this.

 

[J.Venning]

The crack would be available in the warez groups, if at all, NOT in a
group like this.

I thought as much, but then, one of the fellas here might have been be a
warez or an eDonkey fan. Thanks.
J.

 

[Randy Howard]

That, is precisely what I intend to do. My question was, "What happens,
if the official release doesn't come out before the expiry date runs out?".
I was hoping someone here would come with a more imaginative answer like
cracking it to set the expiry date a few years from now.

*cough* that would be illegal. *cough*

If it doesn't come out within a year, I guess Microsoft will have closed its
doors. Its RC1 right now.

 

[Jerry McBride]

Their targeted date is actually 3 months from now, and RC1 is
available to those that apply on their website. RC1 is not
typically a year from gold master.


A great idea, if he knows Linux. If he doesn't (and judging by
the thread so far it seems unlikely) it's a really bad idea.

"Really bad idea"???

You are kidding right? There's nothing "bad" about trying linux. It's a
great, viable alternative to being stuck in the microsoft rut.

Fact is, try it, you may like it.

Fact is, if you spend the same amount of time learning "the linux way" as
you have learning "the windows way" you'll end up being a linux advocate.

Fact is, I highly recommend, at the least, getting a copy of Knoppix Linux
off the net and have a first hand experience.





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[J.Venning]

You are kidding right? There's nothing "bad" about trying linux. It's a
great, viable alternative to being stuck in the microsoft rut.
Fact is, try it, you may like it.
Fact is, if you spend the same amount of time learning "the linux way" as
you have learning "the windows way" you'll end up being a linux advocate.
Fact is, I highly recommend, at the least, getting a copy of Knoppix Linux
off the net and have a first hand experience.

Well, I'm willing to give it a try. Where do I get the download, and how
much will it cost me to get a hard copy?

The beta XP 64-bit is running rather well, but I get several conflicts -
my keyboard and mouse cannot be programmed, my scanner doesn't work, Norton
Antivirus and Firewall cannot be set to auto protect, Outlook Express cannot
use the spell check function (yes, I've installed MS Office), ACDSee
PicaView doesn't work - and that's just for starters.

Just as a matter of interest fellas, what's the best concoction in the
market these days as far as hardware is concerned (assuming of course, that
money is not a problem) ? Thanks in advance.
J.

 

[Don Taylor]

There is the 64 bit Solaris OS free from Sun, now. I would think
that would be very dependable. They provide an interface to run
Linux executables.

For AMD processors it runs on the Opterons cpu's.

At the moment I'm looking for the cheapest path to get to at least
2x the performance of the Athlon 2000 when doing only heavy duty
number crunching. Mathematica V5 added the code to take advantage
of a 64 bit OS.

 

[Michael Paul]

Well, I'm willing to give it a try. Where do I get the download,
and how much will it cost me to get a hard copy?

You can download Knoppix on www.knoppix.org. Also there are some
companies that sell Knoppix or other Linux-CDs for a small amount of
money (about 5-10$). AFAIK Knoppix is a 32bit-Distro (most live CDs
are), but there might be some derivates for x86-64. I would suggest to
have a look at www.distrowatch.org - they give you some overview. There
are some more distributions that offer live CDs. You may also have a
look at www.ubuntulinux.org - they even send their CDs for free.

The beta XP 64-bit is running rather well, but I get several
conflicts - my keyboard and mouse cannot be programmed, my scanner
doesn't work, Norton Antivirus and Firewall cannot be set to auto
protect, Outlook Express cannot use the spell check function (yes,
I've installed MS Office), ACDSee PicaView doesn't work - and that's
just for starters.

I expected that. There are only few (beta-)drivers available, and
applications that massively influence the OS like that Norton crap will
fail, too. Outlook Express can be easily replaced by
Mozilla(-Thunderbird), maybe there will be some builds for XP64 out
soon. And yes, you can add a spellchecker to them.

Michael

 

[Randy Howard]

"Really bad idea"???

You are kidding right?

No. Did you see an emoticon up there?

There's nothing "bad" about trying linux. It's a great, viable
alternative to being stuck in the microsoft rut.

That is very true, for some people.

Fact is, try it, you may like it.

I did, years ago, and still do. Before that, lots of UNIX boxes
too. In fact, for quite a long time I worked on UNIX internals for a
large system vendor. And a fair number of mainframe platforms that
predated UNIX. The point is, not everybody is cut out for it,
or ever will be. After many years, I think you can spot who will and
won't take to it a mile away. Advocacy is so exciting for some
folks that pragmatic applications of the recommendations are never
considered.

Fact is, if you spend the same amount of time learning "the linux way" as
you have learning "the windows way" you'll end up being a linux advocate.

Some people never spend much time learning either one. That's
entirely the point.

Fact is, I highly recommend, at the least, getting a copy of Knoppix Linux
off the net and have a first hand experience.

It won't hurt anything to try it. That's quite a bit different than
installing it on his system, particularly if it's his only one.

 

[Randy Howard]

Just as a matter of interest fellas, what's the best concoction in the
market these days as far as hardware is concerned (assuming of course, that
money is not a problem) ?

Money is no object? That's easy then, build one of these...
http://www.es.jamstec.go.jp/esc/eng/ES/hardware.html