WinXP-64 and Athlon64


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Peter Tran

Hi,

I've got a Athlon64 3200+ and wanted to know if it would be worth it to
download the WinXP-64 beta release from Microsoft?

1) First question is, does the new OS also require 64-bit drivers for all
my periphs? Will the 32-bit drivers also work?

2) Second question, although the OS will be 64-bit will my 32-bit programs
run any faster on it? Or will my 32-bit programs actually run slower on a
64-bit OS?

Since all my apps are currently 32-bit, I don't really see any need to move
to a 64-bit OS if my programs won't run any faster. Any comments would be
appreciated. Thanks.
 
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Dee

Peter said:
Hi,

I've got a Athlon64 3200+ and wanted to know if it would be worth it to
download the WinXP-64 beta release from Microsoft?

1) First question is, does the new OS also require 64-bit drivers for all
my periphs? Will the 32-bit drivers also work?

2) Second question, although the OS will be 64-bit will my 32-bit programs
run any faster on it? Or will my 32-bit programs actually run slower on a
64-bit OS?

Since all my apps are currently 32-bit, I don't really see any need to move
to a 64-bit OS if my programs won't run any faster. Any comments would be
appreciated. Thanks.
If you are adventuresome and like to play with computer in particular,
then by all means get x64! RC1 is supposed to be available by the end
of the month.

1. --> Yes. You will need 64-bit drivers. 32-bit drivers will not work.

2. --> Most 32-bit programs actually run faster. The caveat to some
installations is if they use a 16-bit install program, or if they load
any 32-bit drivers, there will be problems.

At this point in time, there probably is not an overwhelming reason to
switch Win XP x64. However, once Win XP x64 is released and there
proves to be consumer interest, there will be more and more software
written and compiled for x64. Games will probably be among the very
first to do so since that show a significant improvement when optimized
for 64-bit.
 
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Black Shuck

Dee said:
If you are adventuresome and like to play with computer in particular,
then by all means get x64! RC1 is supposed to be available by the end
of the month.
RC1 has been available for CCP download for over a week now....
 
E

Ed Light

If you use something like booting ($35 US) then you can keep your present
system too, which is really the way to do it.

--
Ed Light

Smiley :-/
MS Smiley :-\

Send spam to the FTC at
(e-mail address removed)
Thanks, robots.
 
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J.Venning

Roger Swearingen said:
Hi,
I'm really a newbie as far as the 64-bit processor is concerned. I've bought
a Fujitsu Siemens Scaleo T with an Athlon 64 3200+ processor and dicovered
that it was running as a 32 bit processor with the disks that came with it.
So I've downloaded the XP x64 Edition from Microsoft and burned it onto a CD
ROM, but that won't boot. Would you please help me and tell me how I can
change the computer to run as a 64-bit ? Thanks in advance.
J.
 
M

Michael Paul

J.Venning said:
Hi,
I'm really a newbie as far as the 64-bit processor is concerned.
I've bought a Fujitsu Siemens Scaleo T with an Athlon 64 3200+
processor and dicovered that it was running as a 32 bit processor
with the disks that came with it.
That doesn't matter. Athlon64 ist fast enough even if a 32-bit OS is
run. My machine works fine running W2k SP4 :)
So I've downloaded the XP x64 Edition from Microsoft
You know, that this is just a public beta that will work only 360 days?
Have you thougt about the limited availability of drivers and
applications for XP64? Have you read the instructions provided ba MS?
and burned it onto a CD ROM, but that won't boot.
How did you burn the CD? You should use the "burn image"-option of you
CD burning software.
Would you please help me and tell me how I can
change the computer to run as a 64-bit ?
If you just want to be beta tester, then read the manual of your CD
burning software in order to find out how to convert an .ISO image into
a real CD.
Else get some Linux distribution designed for 64bit.

hth,
Michael
 
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J.Venning

Michael Paul said:
... (snip) .. How did you burn the CD? You should use the "burn
image"-option of you CD burning software.
hth,
Michael
Thank you for taking the trouble of answering my questions - I really
appreciate it. The file from Microsoft came as a *.rar file, which I
unpacked and burned onto a CD. This will not boot with my computer, although
a dialogue comes up when I insert the CD, saying that this version of
Windows can only be installed by booting off the CD. When I tried opening it
from the CD, a dialogue comes up saying that this is not a valid Win32
application. Obviously I have to do a setting or two to enable the computer
to accept the CD. Something in the Bios, perhaps?
J.
 
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Michael Paul

J.Venning said:
Thank you for taking the trouble of answering my questions -
I really appreciate it. The file from Microsoft came as a *.rar file,
which I unpacked and burned onto a CD.
That is very strange, really. Normally that should be an .ISO-Image,
not any RAR-archive (and for MS did invent .CAB, there is no need in
using RAR, although I have seen some official MS Downloads that were
packed with Winzip).
Double klicking on the .ISO file should automatically fire up your
CD-ROM burning software.

Did you use the link MS provided in the mail they sent you after
registration or did you try downloading from other sources?
At that point I have to admit that I haven't downloaded the XP64
package.
This will not boot with my computer, although
a dialogue comes up when I insert the CD, saying that this version of
Windows can only be installed by booting off the CD.
That dialogue comes up, when you are running Windows?
Obviously I have to do a setting or two to enable the computer
to accept the CD. Something in the Bios, perhaps?
The only important BIOS setting is "Boot from CD-ROM first". You have
to check the Boot Options in your BIOS setup.
A standard Windows install CD will then request you to hit a key in
order to boot from that media instead of booting from HDD.

Michael
 
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Michael Paul

I just registered for download at microsoft.com. The e-mail I received
a few minutes later points me to an .ISO file, that should be ready to
be burned onto a CD-ROM. If you really got some .RAR-archive then there
something went really wrong. Or you chose the wrong source...

Michael
 
J

J.Venning

Michael Paul said:
I just registered for download at microsoft.com. The e-mail I received
a few minutes later points me to an .ISO file, that should be ready to
be burned onto a CD-ROM. If you really got some .RAR-archive then there
something went really wrong. Or you chose the wrong source...
Michael
Thank you for your willingness to help and patience, Michael. I went to
this newsgroup last night, and found at the beginning of this thread, a link
to download the XP 64, which I did. I first had to apply and register with
Microsoft for them to e-mail me the link. After having received the link, I
managed to download the file in nearly two hours' time. The downloaded file
came as a *.rar file, even though they advertised its being an ISO file. I
did not go to any other source, and neither did I tamper with the download.
Curiouser and curiouser. What I should do now is to find out how to change
my system to operate with the 64-bit info contained in the CD. Here I am,
thinking that I would be using something really advanced by buying the
Scaleo T 64-bit computer, when I could do much better with a P4 with over
3GHz.
J.
 
J

J.Venning

Michael Paul said:
That dialogue comes up, when you are running Windows?
It sure does - every single time.
The only important BIOS setting is "Boot from CD-ROM first". You have
to check the Boot Options in your BIOS setup.
A standard Windows install CD will then request you to hit a key in
order to boot from that media instead of booting from HDD.<
Done that - no effect. It simply just won't play ball with me.
J.
 
D

Dee

J.Venning said:
Thank you for your willingness to help and patience, Michael. I went to
this newsgroup last night, and found at the beginning of this thread, a link
to download the XP 64, which I did. I first had to apply and register with
Microsoft for them to e-mail me the link. After having received the link, I
managed to download the file in nearly two hours' time. The downloaded file
came as a *.rar file, even though they advertised its being an ISO file. I
did not go to any other source, and neither did I tamper with the download.
Curiouser and curiouser. What I should do now is to find out how to change
my system to operate with the 64-bit info contained in the CD. Here I am,
thinking that I would be using something really advanced by buying the
Scaleo T 64-bit computer, when I could do much better with a P4 with over
3GHz.
J.
I would suggest you uninstall WinRAR until you're done with the .ISO.
The file from Microsoft is a .ISO file. I have downloaded all the Win
x64 files and they have always been .ISO files. Many, Many people have
problems with WinRAR because it associates a .ISO file as an archived
file. A .ISO is not an archive file, it is a mirror image of the
original CD and the only process that should be done once it is on your
computer is to Burn, Copy, or Write "Image to Disk." Nothing else. I
guarantee it will work. I have downloaded and burned image to disk,
both DC and DVD, hundreds of times. The only failures I have
encountered was when the downloaded files was corrupted to to
transmission and/or write to disk problems.
 
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Dee

J.Venning said:
Thank you for taking the trouble of answering my questions - I really
appreciate it. The file from Microsoft came as a *.rar file, which I
unpacked and burned onto a CD. This will not boot with my computer, although
a dialogue comes up when I insert the CD, saying that this version of
Windows can only be installed by booting off the CD. When I tried opening it
from the CD, a dialogue comes up saying that this is not a valid Win32
application. Obviously I have to do a setting or two to enable the computer
to accept the CD. Something in the Bios, perhaps?
J.
I would suggest you uninstall WinRAR until you're done with the .ISO.
The file from Microsoft is a .ISO file. I have downloaded all the Win
x64 files and they have always been .ISO files. Many, Many people have
problems with WinRAR because it associates a .ISO file as an archived
file. A .ISO is not an archive file, it is a mirror image of the
original CD and the only process that should be done once it is on your
computer is to Burn, Copy, or Write "Image to Disk." Nothing else. I
guarantee it will work. I have downloaded and burned image to disk,
both CD and DVD, hundreds of times. The only failures I have
encountered was when the downloaded files was corrupted due to
transmission and/or write to disk problems.
 
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Michael Paul

J.Venning said:
Thank you for your willingness to help and patience, Michael.
I went to this newsgroup last night, and found at the beginning
of this thread, a link to download the XP 64, which I did. I first
had to apply and register with Microsoft for them to e-mail me
the link.
Okay, that seems to be right.
After having received the link, I
managed to download the file in nearly two hours' time.
How large is that file? According to MS it should be roughly about
500MB.
The downloaded file came as a *.rar file,
even though they advertised its being an ISO file.
Strange. Maybe you were tricked by your browser, download manager or
even an installed version of WinRAR or similar. And that RAR-archive,
does this contain just one .ISO-file or are there lots of files?
Try the following: rename that RAR file into .ISO and try burning it
onto a rewritable CD. So you don't lose any media if I was wrong with
my assumption.
What I should do now is to find out how to change
my system to operate with the 64-bit info contained in the CD.
Well, that is not just "info", the CD contains an evaluation copy (not
yet ready to be sold to any customer) of a complete XP64. That version
is not intended to be used regularly, only for evaluation and testing.
And it expires after 360 days.
Here I am, thinking that I would be using something really
advanced by buying the Scaleo T 64-bit computer,
Just advertizing;-)
It's just the CPU that supports 64bit. But the machine is really fast
even running 32bit OS.

If you really want to _work_ with an 64bit OS you have either
- to wait another year until WindowsXP64 is ready to market or
- install Linux for x86-64
when I could do much better with a P4 with over 3GHz.
Not really. The AMD has roughly the same power at much lower CPU
frequency. That means, lower power consumption and much less heat
compared to a P4. My 3000+ Winchester normally operates at temperatures
between about 36C and 48C (full load). And the cool-n-quiet-feature is
really great!


Michael
 
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J.Venning

Dee said:
I would suggest you uninstall WinRAR until you're done with the .ISO. The
file from Microsoft is a .ISO file. I have downloaded all the Win x64
files and they have always been .ISO files. Many, Many people have
problems with WinRAR because it associates a .ISO file as an archived
file. A .ISO is not an archive file, it is a mirror image of the original
CD and the only process that should be done once it is on your computer is
to Burn, Copy, or Write "Image to Disk." Nothing else. I guarantee it
will work. I have downloaded and burned image to disk, both DC and DVD,
hundreds of times. The only failures I have encountered was when the
downloaded files was corrupted to to transmission and/or write to disk
problems.
Thanks - will do. Here goes.
J.
 
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db

J.Venning said:
Thank you for your willingness to help and patience, Michael. I went to
this newsgroup last night, and found at the beginning of this thread, a link
to download the XP 64, which I did. I first had to apply and register with
Microsoft for them to e-mail me the link. After having received the link, I
managed to download the file in nearly two hours' time. The downloaded file
came as a *.rar file, even though they advertised its being an ISO file. I
did not go to any other source, and neither did I tamper with the download.
Curiouser and curiouser. What I should do now is to find out how to change
my system to operate with the 64-bit info contained in the CD. Here I am,
thinking that I would be using something really advanced by buying the
Scaleo T 64-bit computer, when I could do much better with a P4 with over
3GHz.
J.
no the file is an iso. it's just you have winrar set to open .iso
files. and you probs don't have *display file type* enabled, which would
tell you that it is an iso. Just open nero or whatever burning software
you use and point it to the file you dloaded, it is a iso file !!
 
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J.Venning

Dee said:
I would suggest you uninstall WinRAR until you're done with the .ISO. The
file from Microsoft is a .ISO file. I have downloaded all the Win x64
files and they have always been .ISO files. Many, Many people have
problems with WinRAR because it associates a .ISO file as an archived
file. A .ISO is not an archive file, it is a mirror image of the original
CD and the only process that should be done once it is on your computer is
to Burn, Copy, or Write "Image to Disk." Nothing else. I guarantee it
will work. I have downloaded and burned image to disk, both CD and DVD,
hundreds of times. The only failures I have encountered was when the
downloaded files was corrupted due to transmission and/or write to disk
problems.
Just did that, and guess what? Same difference. I burned the ISO file
directly onto the CD without opening it, and the contents are identical with
the one I burned after having opened the*.rar file and then burned it
(543Mb). I guess I'll have to live with the fact that I thought I bought a
64-bit computer, but in reality, it's still a 32-bit machine. I did pump in
2Gb of RAM into it though, so that helps, speed-wise. Thank you, Michael and
Dee: it was really very kind of you both to try and solve my unsolvable
problem. I'll be going to the U.S. this summer, and maybe by that time
they'll issue a commercial version of the XP 64.
J.
 

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