64 bit

[Richard]

Microsoft has suggested that only a 64 bit processor will run HD DVD's on
Vista. I assume that the Dual Core Intel piece is 32 bit and the Dual Core 2
is a 64 bit piece. Will Vista be a dual 32/64 bit OS or will a high cost and
poorly supported 64 bit version be in the pipeline?

Richard.

 

[DP]

Vista will be offered in 32-bit and 64-bit versions. I.e., as separate
products.

 

[Benjamin Gawert]

* Richard:

Microsoft has suggested that only a 64 bit processor will run HD DVD's on
Vista.

This never was an official statement and has been demented by MS already.

I assume that the Dual Core Intel piece is 32 bit and the Dual Core 2
is a 64 bit piece.

Nope. Dual core versions of Pentium4/Pentium D and XEON are 64bit. Core
Solo/Duo (mobile processors) are 32bit only. Core 2 (notebook and
desktop) is 64bit.

Will Vista be a dual 32/64 bit OS or will a high cost and
poorly supported 64 bit version be in the pipeline?

There are separate versions for 32bit and 64bit.

Benjamin

 

[know code]

This never was an official statement and has been demented by MS already.

MS and demented in the same sentence.... who'd have thought

 

[Benjamin Gawert]

* know code:

MS and demented in the same sentence.... who'd have thought

It was a comment from an individual, nothing more. It was not an
official statement from MS.

Benjamin

 

[Bob]

Vista will be offered in 32-bit and 64-bit versions. I.e., as separate
products.

And from what I've read there will not be a 64 bit Vista upgrade path from a
32 bit XP install. Which means that to get into Vista 64 bit those of us
with XP 32 bit will have to buy the full install and not just upgrade.
Bob

 

[Yousuf Khan]

Microsoft has suggested that only a 64 bit processor will run HD DVD's on
Vista. I assume that the Dual Core Intel piece is 32 bit and the Dual Core 2
is a 64 bit piece. Will Vista be a dual 32/64 bit OS or will a high cost and
poorly supported 64 bit version be in the pipeline?

As Benjamin has said, it was never an official statement from MS that
HD DVD's wouldn't be supported under 32-bit Vista. But anyways, from
what I've heard Vista is going to be a single package, containing both
the 32-bit and 64-bit versions in the same CD/DVD-ROM. So during
install time you choose whether to install 32 or 64-bit Vista, if you
have the choice.

Yousuf Khan

 

[Pete]

As Benjamin has said, it was never an official statement from MS that
HD DVD's wouldn't be supported under 32-bit Vista. But anyways, from
what I've heard Vista is going to be a single package, containing both
the 32-bit and 64-bit versions in the same CD/DVD-ROM. So during
install time you choose whether to install 32 or 64-bit Vista, if you
have the choice.

Yousuf Khan

As a newbee here, how do you know if your computer can handle 64bit, and
most importantly will it run my existing programs? I just bought a new
machine. It is an AMD Atholon 64X2 Dual Core 4600+.
-Pete

 

[General Schvantzkoph]

As a newbee here, how do you know if your computer can handle 64bit, and
most importantly will it run my existing programs? I just bought a new
machine. It is an AMD Atholon 64X2 Dual Core 4600+.
-Pete

Your machine is 64 bits, all Athlon 64s are 64 bits.

 

[know code]

As a newbee here, how do you know if your computer can handle 64bit, and
most importantly will it run my existing programs? I just bought a new
machine. It is an AMD Atholon 64X2 Dual Core 4600+.

It's an Athlon 64.... guess what the 64 refers to!

 

[Pete]

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It's an Athlon 64.... guess what the 64 refers to!

OK, but will it run my old software which I guess is 32bit? That is the main
issue.
-Pete

 

[General Schvantzkoph]

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OK, but will it run my old software which I guess is 32bit? That is the main
issue.
-Pete

Yes

 

[DP]

But anyways, from
what I've heard Vista is going to be a single package, containing both
the 32-bit and 64-bit versions in the same CD/DVD-ROM. So during
install time you choose whether to install 32 or 64-bit Vista, if you
have the choice.

Are you sure about that? I think that's the case now with the betas and
RC1s, but I was under the impression that when it came time to actually buy
Vista you could buy only 32-bit or 64-bit versions.

 

[Yousuf Khan]

As a newbee here, how do you know if your computer can handle 64bit, and
most importantly will it run my existing programs? I just bought a new
machine. It is an AMD Atholon 64X2 Dual Core 4600+.

Well, in your case the answer is dead simple, its name tells you that
it's 64-bit.

However, if you don't believe us, download a program called CPU-Z. Do a
Google for it. This program will tell you all of your processor's
features.

Yousuf Khan

 

[Yousuf Khan]

OK, but will it run my old software which I guess is 32bit? That is the main
issue.

Well, let me put it to you this way, if you're writing this message to
us from that same machine, then you're using a 32-bit program to write
it to us, Microsoft Outlook Express.

Yousuf Khan

 

[Yousuf Khan]

Are you sure about that? I think that's the case now with the betas and
RC1s, but I was under the impression that when it came time to actually buy
Vista you could buy only 32-bit or 64-bit versions.

If the betas and RCs are like that, then the final product will be like
that too, otherwise it will have to enter another long beta period to
recode the installation process.

Yousuf Khan

 

[DP]

DP wrote:

If the betas and RCs are like that, then the final product will be like
that too, otherwise it will have to enter another long beta period to
recode the installation process.

But MS is offering Vista in five different versions (
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/default.mspx ).
Apparently the betas and RCs are not divided along those lines (I don't know
since I haven't tried the beta or RC1). By your logic, shouldn't they be
sending out individual betas of the five different versions, since each
apparently will have a slightly different installation process?

 

[Yousuf Khan]

But MS is offering Vista in five different versions (
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/default.mspx ).
Apparently the betas and RCs are not divided along those lines (I don't know
since I haven't tried the beta or RC1). By your logic, shouldn't they be
sending out individual betas of the five different versions, since each
apparently will have a slightly different installation process?

If Vista editions are anything like XP editions, then there is hardly
any low-level differences between them. Ripping out some optional
components like the XP Media Centre edition utilities has no effect on
the operating system. However, separating out 32-bit from 64-bit kernel
modules and DLLs from an installation process that is already down pat
will be a major undertaking.

You have to be able to distinguish between what's part of the operating
system and stuff that is simply included with the operating system. It
entirely likely that most of these additional utilities will simply be
32-bit programs, and they'll be running without modification in either
the 32-bit or 64-bit environment. The 64-bit environment can run 32-bit
apps without modification, it's part of the featureset.

Yousuf Khan

 

[DP]

If Vista editions are anything like XP editions, then there is hardly
any low-level differences between them. Ripping out some optional
components like the XP Media Centre edition utilities has no effect on
the operating system. However, separating out 32-bit from 64-bit kernel
modules and DLLs from an installation process that is already down pat
will be a major undertaking.

I think we're both talking about something neither of us has seen directly.
All I know (from reading microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general and visiting
www.planetamd64.com)
is that the beta is offered as two discs, one for 32 and one for 64. So the
two versions don't seem to be as tightly welded together as you might think.

And obviously there are no 64-bit dlls in the version that is exclusively
32-bit. So maybe they simply duplicated whatever they had to from the 32-bit
version and put them on the 64-bit disk in addition to the 64-bit code.

Anybody with more direct knowledge of Vista, please join in.

 

[Pete]

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I think we're both talking about something neither of us has seen
directly.
All I know (from reading microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general and
visiting
www.planetamd64.com)
is that the beta is offered as two discs, one for 32 and one for 64. So
the
two versions don't seem to be as tightly welded together as you might
think.

And obviously there are no 64-bit dlls in the version that is exclusively
32-bit. So maybe they simply duplicated whatever they had to from the
32-bit version and put them on the 64-bit disk in addition to the 64-bit
code.

Anybody with more direct knowledge of Vista, please join in.

And so another issue: will the peripheral drivers be compatible?!