WareGlossary

Softland · Jul 18, 2005

Hi all,
I was reading this glossary
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php and I'm trying to
place our new product (a pdf creator, novaPDF - http://www.novapdf.com) in
one of those categories but I'm not sure where. Basically you can use it for
free as long as you want but if it's not registered it places a small notice
at the end of the pdf files it generates; now, does this mean is shareware
(but has not time limitations), nagware or adware (even if it shows only
that notice, not a different window or anything) or freeware?

We've been promoting it as shareware, but some sites considered it freeware
so that's why the confusion. Thank you

Petersen, Vegard Krog · Jul 18, 2005

Softland skrev:

Hi all,
I was reading this glossary
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php and I'm trying to
place our new product (a pdf creator, novaPDF - http://www.novapdf.com) in
one of those categories but I'm not sure where. Basically you can use it for
free as long as you want but if it's not registered it places a small notice
at the end of the pdf files it generates; now, does this mean is shareware
(but has not time limitations), nagware or adware (even if it shows only
that notice, not a different window or anything) or freeware?

We've been promoting it as shareware, but some sites considered it freeware
so that's why the confusion. Thank you

Shareware. Shareware can be crippled or limited in many ways. You're way
(limitation) is just one variant. BTW: Looked good. :-)

regards from vegard

Susan Bugher · Jul 18, 2005

Softland said:
Hi all,
I was reading this glossary
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php and I'm trying to
place our new product (a pdf creator, novaPDF - http://www.novapdf.com) in
one of those categories but I'm not sure where.

"Several ware types may be used when describing a program (for example: Donationware and Liteware
and Betaware)."

IOW - it's not necessarily either/or. Take a look at the 2005 Pricelessware list for examples of the
way ACF uses ware types in program descriptions.

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005ProgramIndex.php

Basically you can use it for

free as long as you want

The great divide.

A program that *can* be used forever without paying is still Shareware *if* the
EULA requires payment for continued use. An app that legally is cost-free is not Shareware.

"Shareware: commercial software that can be downloaded. Payment is required for legal use of the
software. Some authors use the honor system, more commonly code is included to prevent the use of
some or all functions if payment is not made in accordance with the shareware agreement."

but if it's not registered it places a small notice

at the end of the pdf files it generates; now, does this mean is shareware
No

(but has not time limitations),

IOW - it's not Trialware

nagware

Nagware has a popup (nag) screen

or adware (even if it shows only

that notice, not a different window or anything) or freeware?

IMO that's not Adware by our current Ware Glossary definition (Adware shows paid advertising for
other company's products). (Some people here disagree. There's been discussion about revising the
Adware definition and/or adding a new ware type (Branded-Ware) for apps that self-advertise. Also
note, if self-advertising renders the end product useless for its intended purpose it's Crippleware.)

We've been promoting it as shareware, but some sites considered it freeware
so that's why the confusion. Thank you

I see several versions on your site. One is free, the others are not. Which version are you
promoting. When a Shareware version exists the free version is usually "Liteware".

"Liteware: free version of a commercial program. A useful program that is more limited in features
and functionality than the commercial product. Liteware is not time-limited."

If the free version is very limited it's "Crippleware". (Needs vary. The boundary between Liteware
and Crippleware is often in the eye of the user - one person's useful Liteware may be another
person's Crippleware.)

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REM · Jul 18, 2005

Basically you can use it for free as long as you want

The great divide. A program that *can* be used forever without paying is still Shareware *if* the
EULA requires payment for continued use. An app that legally is cost-free is not Shareware.

"Shareware: commercial software that can be downloaded. Payment is required for legal use of the
software. Some authors use the honor system, more commonly code is included to prevent the use of
some or all functions if payment is not made in accordance with the shareware agreement."

but if it's not registered it places a small notice

IOW - it's not Trialware

Nagware has a popup (nag) screen

or adware (even if it shows only

IMO that's not Adware by our current Ware Glossary definition (Adware shows paid advertising for
other company's products). (Some people here disagree. There's been discussion about revising the
Adware definition and/or adding a new ware type (Branded-Ware) for apps that self-advertise. Also
note, if self-advertising renders the end product useless for its intended purpose it's Crippleware.)

Promotionware?

There seems to be a conflict above. If the EULA provides that you may
use it as long as you want free, then how can it also stipulate that
money must be paid in order to use it legally? Sorry if I'm missing
something obvious...

Donationware?

Susan Bugher · Jul 18, 2005

There seems to be a conflict above. If the EULA provides that you may
use it as long as you want free, then how can it also stipulate that
money must be paid in order to use it legally? Sorry if I'm missing
something obvious...

I'm confused - not sure what "confict above" refers to. . .

The OP has both several versions of an app:

http://www.novapdf.com/feature-matrix.php

"Lite Standard Professional"

I'm not entirely clear on which can be used without payment. Evidently there is at least one version
that can be used for an unlimited period of time for free.

http://www.novapdf.com/free-download.php

<q>
If novaPDF is not registered, each page of the pdf files produced will contain a small notice at the
bottom. To remove it from the pdf files further created, you need to purchase and enter a valid
serial number.
For information on how to purchase novaPDF, please visit the Buy Now page.
</q>

I couldn't find a EULA for the app. . .

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REM · Jul 18, 2005

Susan Bugher <[email protected]> wrote:

REM wrote:

I'm confused - not sure what "confict above" refers to. . .

If a person can use the app for as long as they want free...

then:

How can payment be required to "use the app legally?"

Sorry, I never was very good at this. It seems like one or the other
above can be true, but not both.

The OP has both several versions of an app:

"Lite Standard Professional"

I'm not entirely clear on which can be used without payment. Evidently there is at least one version
that can be used for an unlimited period of time for free.

<q>
If novaPDF is not registered, each page of the pdf files produced will contain a small notice at the
bottom. To remove it from the pdf files further created, you need to purchase and enter a valid
serial number.
For information on how to purchase novaPDF, please visit the Buy Now page.
</q>

I couldn't find a EULA for the app. . .

Maybe the OP can clarify. There are prices listed for all three
versions...

"I was reading this glossary
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php and I'm trying
to place our new product (a pdf creator, novaPDF -
http://www.novapdf.com) in one of those categories but I'm not sure
where. Basically you can use it for free as long as you want but if
it's not registered it places a small notice at the end of the pdf
files it generates; now, does this mean is shareware (but has not time
limitations), nagware or adware (even if it shows only that notice,
not a different window or anything) or freeware?"

But, whichever versions the OP was referring to can be used for free
as long as the end user desires.

A small "notice" is appended to the end of files generated...

If this notice says something like, "Created with unregistered version
of XYZ," I'd dub that promotionware; as it promotes itself in a fairly
benign manner through free unregistered usage of the software.

As I said, I'm not very good at this

Susan Bugher · Jul 18, 2005

REM said:
If a person can use the app for as long as they want free...

then:

How can payment be required to "use the app legally?"

Sorry, I never was very good at this. It seems like one or the other
above can be true, but not both.

Think "Warez" and I suspect it will become clearer. You *can* use Warez for free. That doesn't make
it legal.

Some Shareware doesn't expire and you "can" continue to use it without paying when the evaluation
period has ended. That doesn't make your continued use of it legal.

Then there are the ones that make your head hurt. . . the evaluation period is open ended. . . if
you can't afford it you don't have to pay. . . the author's sometimes call the apps Shareware - we
usually decide "not really" - it's more like Donationware. . . a couple of those apps are on the
PL. . .

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Helen · Jul 18, 2005

Maybe it's similar to FreeAgent. It's FREE and fully capable for thirty days, then if
you don't opt for the paid version, some of the program options evaporate, but you
can still use the 'stripped' version for free? Just a thought. I haven't checked out
the program in question so this may be totally irrelevant. BTW, I consider FreeAgent
freeware, fwiw.

| REM wrote:
| >>REM wrote:
|
| >>I'm confused - not sure what "confict above" refers to. . .
| >
| > If a person can use the app for as long as they want free...
| >
| > then:
| >
| > How can payment be required to "use the app legally?"
| >
| > Sorry, I never was very good at this. It seems like one or the other
| > above can be true, but not both.
|
| Think "Warez" and I suspect it will become clearer. You *can* use Warez for free. That doesn't make
| it legal.
|
| Some Shareware doesn't expire and you "can" continue to use it without paying when the evaluation
| period has ended. That doesn't make your continued use of it legal.
|
| Then there are the ones that make your head hurt. . . the evaluation period is open ended. . . if
| you can't afford it you don't have to pay. . . the author's sometimes call the apps Shareware - we
| usually decide "not really" - it's more like Donationware. . . a couple of those apps are on the
| PL. . .
|
| Susan
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Mel · Jul 18, 2005

Hi all,
I was reading this glossary
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php and I'm trying to
place our new product (a pdf creator, novaPDF - http://www.novapdf.com) in
one of those categories but I'm not sure where. Basically you can use it for
free as long as you want but if it's not registered it places a small notice
at the end of the pdf files it generates; now, does this mean is shareware
(but has not time limitations), nagware or adware (even if it shows only
that notice, not a different window or anything) or freeware?

We've been promoting it as shareware, but some sites considered it freeware
so that's why the confusion. Thank you

No confusion here! You charge for all three products you offer, which
makes them shareware (try before you buy). In an effort to deter people
from downloading and using your products without paying for them you
place a small notice at the end of the pdf files it generates after some
trial period has elapsed, which makes them crippleware (the wording
(...unregistered copy of...) of the small notice calls attention to the
fact that the user did not pay your registration fee and is unauthorized
to use your product).

Susan Bugher · Jul 18, 2005

Helen said:
Maybe it's similar to FreeAgent. It's FREE and fully capable for thirty days, then if
you don't opt for the paid version, some of the program options evaporate, but you
can still use the 'stripped' version for free? Just a thought. I haven't checked out
the program in question so this may be totally irrelevant.

I think these people are doing it differently - I believe this app starts out crippled - you can use
it that way forever or pay to remove the crippling (ads on the end product).

BTW, I consider FreeAgent

freeware, fwiw.

Your call.

It sounds like you may have missed the big discussion of that during the PL2005
selection process. The consensus was that the current version of Free Agent is Crippleware. The
Pricelessware pick is an earlier Liteware version (v 1.21). PW 2005 description is here:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005INTERNET.php#0295-PW

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Softland · Jul 19, 2005

Hi,
Thank you for the answers. First of all there is not time limitation or
expiration of any kind; all the 3 versions can be downloaded and used for
unlimited time, legally. As I said the only difference between the
registered version (of any edition) and the unregistered one is the notice
that it places at the end of the pdf file "Created with novaPDF Printer
(www.novaPDF.com)"; you can see that on the pdf containing the feature
matrix for example:
http://www.novapdf.com/download/pdf/novaPDF-Feature-Matrix.pdf (direct link
to pdf, about 80KB)

So it's not mentioned that is unregistered in the pdf notice and it doesn't
become crippleware or has any limitations at all after a certain time; it is
only that notice that we consider a form of self advertising (like a trade,
if you use it for free you advertise our product too).

John Fitzsimons · Jul 20, 2005

Hi,
Thank you for the answers. First of all there is not time limitation or
expiration of any kind; all the 3 versions can be downloaded and used for
unlimited time, legally. As I said the only difference between the
registered version (of any edition) and the unregistered one is the notice
that it places at the end of the pdf file "Created with novaPDF Printer
(www.novaPDF.com)"; you can see that on the pdf containing the feature
matrix for example:
http://www.novapdf.com/download/pdf/novaPDF-Feature-Matrix.pdf (direct link
to pdf, about 80KB)

So it's not mentioned that is unregistered in the pdf notice and it doesn't
become crippleware or has any limitations at all after a certain time; it is
only that notice that we consider a form of self advertising (like a trade,
if you use it for free you advertise our product too).

Rather refreshing to see such an "up front" approach from a commercial
site. If your programs ran on '98SE, and I wanted to produce PDFs, I
would certainly be thinking of you. As your prices are very reasonable
I would not necessarily be put off by that either.

Hope things work out well for you/your site. :-)

Regards, John.
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WareGlossary

Softland

Petersen, Vegard Krog

Susan Bugher

REM

Susan Bugher

REM

Susan Bugher

Helen

Mel

Susan Bugher

Softland

John Fitzsimons