Vista Inside Out problems

R

RScotti

Hi,
I tried to reach both Ed Bott & Craig Stinson on this but the emails in the book didn't work.
I would like them to know about this if they already don't but since Ed Bott has closed all his comments pages I fell he
does know.

I feel cheated, for the money I paid I should at least get the correct way to do this since nothing else seems to work.

If for some reason I am the only one with this problem I apologize. I paid $2500 for my computer so I think it is not
that. But who knows? Since that is a real possibility I am also including my configuration in case that is the conflict.
Hi Craig,
I don't know if this will reach you but I got your email out of my book and since Ed bott doesn't have any more ways to
reach him I am trying you hopefully you will give it to him. I fell it is important for you to know this.

I bought Vista Ultimate and was having problems with the System Restore. Although the SR was in the Scheduled Tasks it
was only creating a RP about ~ every three days.
I saw your book at B&N Vista Inside Out and saw the article on SR pages 58-61 so I bought the book.
I ran home and tried your suggestions and waited a day. Even thought I configured SR to create an automatic RP every 12
hours (43200)
Well it didn't work! I double checked everything and everything was correct. I went to the MS Public Windows Vista
General Newsgroup for help and found out that your instructions did not work in Vista as per
Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" <[email protected]>
System Restore ignores the registry keys at
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\SystemRestore.
They're there for backwards compatibility with some XP scripts.

I think you could have corrected your book to work or at least notify the MS Newsgroup of a fix.

I have had your book for a little less than two months and I also found out from the Newsgroups that you neglected to
tell us also about the Rearm command that lets you have 120 days without activation. Your book only says you have the
original 30 days.

In conclusion I would hope you would tell me where I can at least find a solution to my problem of getting System
Restore to create a automatic RP every 12 hours?
Click to expand...

Have a good day!
Rich Scotti

My Specifications:
Systemax Venture VX2
Vista Ultimate x86
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 Pentium 2.66 GHz 4M Processor
Socket LGA775 Chipset
Intel Motherboard Name:D975XBX2KR
Memory Installed 4GB PC-6400 800 MHZ DDR2 (4 x 1 GB)
Hard drive:Dual 500 GB SATAII 7200 rpm RAID 0 Stripe
Western Digital External USB HD 500 GB
18X DVD(+/-)R/RW (+/-)R DL drive
52X32X52/16X Combo drive
Nvidia Video Graphics GeForce 7950 GT 512 MB
500W Power supply
Sound/Audio 8 channel Integrated High Definition audio
 
R

Richard Urban

Vista Inside Out is a book by a writer attempting to be a technician. You
need a book from a technician/technicians attempting to be a writer. (-:

http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/books/9536.aspx

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

RScotti said:
Hi,
I tried to reach both Ed Bott & Craig Stinson on this but the emails in
the book didn't work.
I would like them to know about this if they already don't but since Ed
Bott has closed all his comments pages I fell he
does know.

I feel cheated, for the money I paid I should at least get the correct way
to do this since nothing else seems to work.

If for some reason I am the only one with this problem I apologize. I paid
$2500 for my computer so I think it is not
that. But who knows? Since that is a real possibility I am also including
my configuration in case that is the conflict.
Hi Craig,
I don't know if this will reach you but I got your email out of my book
and since Ed bott doesn't have any more ways to
reach him I am trying you hopefully you will give it to him. I fell it is
important for you to know this.

I bought Vista Ultimate and was having problems with the System Restore.
Although the SR was in the Scheduled Tasks it
was only creating a RP about ~ every three days.
I saw your book at B&N Vista Inside Out and saw the article on SR pages
58-61 so I bought the book.
I ran home and tried your suggestions and waited a day. Even thought I
configured SR to create an automatic RP every 12
hours (43200)
Well it didn't work! I double checked everything and everything was
correct. I went to the MS Public Windows Vista
General Newsgroup for help and found out that your instructions did not
work in Vista as per
Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" <[email protected]>
System Restore ignores the registry keys at
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\SystemRestore.
They're there for backwards compatibility with some XP scripts.

I think you could have corrected your book to work or at least notify the
MS Newsgroup of a fix.

I have had your book for a little less than two months and I also found
out from the Newsgroups that you neglected to
tell us also about the Rearm command that lets you have 120 days without
activation. Your book only says you have the
original 30 days.

In conclusion I would hope you would tell me where I can at least find a
solution to my problem of getting System
Restore to create a automatic RP every 12 hours?
Click to expand...

Have a good day!
Rich Scotti

My Specifications:
Systemax Venture VX2
Vista Ultimate x86
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 Pentium 2.66 GHz 4M Processor
Socket LGA775 Chipset
Intel Motherboard Name:D975XBX2KR
Memory Installed 4GB PC-6400 800 MHZ DDR2 (4 x 1 GB)
Hard drive:Dual 500 GB SATAII 7200 rpm RAID 0 Stripe
Western Digital External USB HD 500 GB
18X DVD(+/-)R/RW (+/-)R DL drive
52X32X52/16X Combo drive
Nvidia Video Graphics GeForce 7950 GT 512 MB
500W Power supply
Sound/Audio 8 channel Integrated High Definition audio
Click to expand...
 
G

Guest

In all honesty your likely to find the answers you're looking for right here!
Save your money, post your question here.
 
R

RScotti

I have done that many times at least three different posts.
Still have the problem and I think I am not alone!
In all honesty your likely to find the answers you're looking for right here!
Save your money, post your question here.
Click to expand...

Have a good day,
RScotti

remove "nospam" in order to email me.
 
M

Milhouse Van Houten

Wow, the Resource Kit is out?!

BTW, to the OP, Ed Bott is readily reachable via his blog. As you'll see,
comments are active, but note that he's on vacation right now:
http://edbott.com/weblog/index.php

FWIW, I think that book is an excellent resource. No book is perfect, and I
wager this one has far fewer mistakes than most. BTW, the extra months (up
to a year, possibly) some can get out of Vista without activating it only
became public knowledge in recent months, well after that book (and probably
any other Vista book in existence) went to press.

Richard Urban said:
Vista Inside Out is a book by a writer attempting to be a technician. You
need a book from a technician/technicians attempting to be a writer. (-:

http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/books/9536.aspx

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

RScotti said:
Hi,
I tried to reach both Ed Bott & Craig Stinson on this but the emails in
the book didn't work.
I would like them to know about this if they already don't but since Ed
Bott has closed all his comments pages I fell he
does know.

I feel cheated, for the money I paid I should at least get the correct
way to do this since nothing else seems to work.

If for some reason I am the only one with this problem I apologize. I
paid $2500 for my computer so I think it is not
that. But who knows? Since that is a real possibility I am also including
my configuration in case that is the conflict.
Hi Craig,
I don't know if this will reach you but I got your email out of my book
and since Ed bott doesn't have any more ways to
reach him I am trying you hopefully you will give it to him. I fell it is
important for you to know this.

I bought Vista Ultimate and was having problems with the System Restore.
Although the SR was in the Scheduled Tasks it
was only creating a RP about ~ every three days.
I saw your book at B&N Vista Inside Out and saw the article on SR pages
58-61 so I bought the book.
I ran home and tried your suggestions and waited a day. Even thought I
configured SR to create an automatic RP every 12
hours (43200)
Well it didn't work! I double checked everything and everything was
correct. I went to the MS Public Windows Vista
General Newsgroup for help and found out that your instructions did not
work in Vista as per
Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" <[email protected]>
System Restore ignores the registry keys at
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\SystemRestore.
They're there for backwards compatibility with some XP scripts.

I think you could have corrected your book to work or at least notify the
MS Newsgroup of a fix.

I have had your book for a little less than two months and I also found
out from the Newsgroups that you neglected to
tell us also about the Rearm command that lets you have 120 days without
activation. Your book only says you have the
original 30 days.

In conclusion I would hope you would tell me where I can at least find a
solution to my problem of getting System
Restore to create a automatic RP every 12 hours?
Click to expand...

Have a good day!
Rich Scotti

My Specifications:
Systemax Venture VX2
Vista Ultimate x86
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 Pentium 2.66 GHz 4M Processor
Socket LGA775 Chipset
Intel Motherboard Name:D975XBX2KR
Memory Installed 4GB PC-6400 800 MHZ DDR2 (4 x 1 GB)
Hard drive:Dual 500 GB SATAII 7200 rpm RAID 0 Stripe
Western Digital External USB HD 500 GB
18X DVD(+/-)R/RW (+/-)R DL drive
52X32X52/16X Combo drive
Nvidia Video Graphics GeForce 7950 GT 512 MB
500W Power supply
Sound/Audio 8 channel Integrated High Definition audio
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
J

Jon

Milhouse Van Houten said:
Wow, the Resource Kit is out?!

BTW, to the OP, Ed Bott is readily reachable via his blog. As you'll see,
comments are active, but note that he's on vacation right now:
http://edbott.com/weblog/index.php

FWIW, I think that book is an excellent resource. No book is perfect, and
I wager this one has far fewer mistakes than most. BTW, the extra months
(up to a year, possibly) some can get out of Vista without activating it
only became public knowledge in recent months, well after that book (and
probably any other Vista book in existence) went to press.
Click to expand...



I agree. I've read both Ed Bott's books and the Resource Kit, and they are
*both* excellent.
 
J

Jon

Hi

You've clearly read Jill Zoeller's posts, who has close contacts with the
System Restore team, so you'll know that the registry keys mentioned in
'Vista Inside Out' are ignored.

It's an excellent book, but as you are already aware it made a few minor
mistakes in its discussion of System Restore.

If you're having problems with the System Restore scheduled task, then it's
perhaps related to the conditions that are preset for the task to run eg the
'on idle' condition.


If you want to create regular scheduled restore points, then there was
alternative code posted in these Vista forums by one of the Microsoft boys,
not too long ago, which you could schedule instead. [I forget the exact
post, but you could search for it].
 
R

RScotti

Hi

You've clearly read Jill Zoeller's posts, who has close contacts with the
System Restore team, so you'll know that the registry keys mentioned in
'Vista Inside Out' are ignored.
Click to expand...
Yes I know that. She tried to help me.
It's an excellent book, but as you are already aware it made a few minor
mistakes in its discussion of System Restore.

If you're having problems with the System Restore scheduled task, then it's
perhaps related to the conditions that are preset for the task to run eg the
'on idle' condition.
Click to expand...
I have the idle unchecked. Someone at MS said that worked on his test box. But not on mine.
If you want to create regular scheduled restore points, then there was
alternative code posted in these Vista forums by one of the Microsoft boys,
not too long ago, which you could schedule instead. [I forget the exact
post, but you could search for it].
Click to expand...
Do you remember any of the post so I can do a search for it?

Have a good day,
RScotti

remove "nospam" in order to email me.
 
R

RScotti

Wow, the Resource Kit is out?!

BTW, to the OP, Ed Bott is readily reachable via his blog. As you'll see,
comments are active, but note that he's on vacation right now:
http://edbott.com/weblog/index.php
Click to expand...
Yes I am there but couldn't get in before. Don't know why?
FWIW, I think that book is an excellent resource. No book is perfect, and I
wager this one has far fewer mistakes than most. BTW, the extra months (up
to a year, possibly) some can get out of Vista without activating it only
became public knowledge in recent months, well after that book (and probably
any other Vista book in existence) went to press.
Click to expand...
Since the rearm command was put in by MS I think Ed should have known about it especially where it is an MS Press book.

Richard Urban said:
Vista Inside Out is a book by a writer attempting to be a technician. You
need a book from a technician/technicians attempting to be a writer. (-:

http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/books/9536.aspx

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

RScotti said:
Hi,
I tried to reach both Ed Bott & Craig Stinson on this but the emails in
the book didn't work.
I would like them to know about this if they already don't but since Ed
Bott has closed all his comments pages I fell he
does know.

I feel cheated, for the money I paid I should at least get the correct
way to do this since nothing else seems to work.

If for some reason I am the only one with this problem I apologize. I
paid $2500 for my computer so I think it is not
that. But who knows? Since that is a real possibility I am also including
my configuration in case that is the conflict.

Hi Craig,
I don't know if this will reach you but I got your email out of my book
and since Ed bott doesn't have any more ways to
reach him I am trying you hopefully you will give it to him. I fell it is
important for you to know this.

I bought Vista Ultimate and was having problems with the System Restore.
Although the SR was in the Scheduled Tasks it
was only creating a RP about ~ every three days.
I saw your book at B&N Vista Inside Out and saw the article on SR pages
58-61 so I bought the book.
I ran home and tried your suggestions and waited a day. Even thought I
configured SR to create an automatic RP every 12
hours (43200)
Well it didn't work! I double checked everything and everything was
correct. I went to the MS Public Windows Vista
General Newsgroup for help and found out that your instructions did not
work in Vista as per
Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" <[email protected]>
System Restore ignores the registry keys at
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\SystemRestore.
They're there for backwards compatibility with some XP scripts.

I think you could have corrected your book to work or at least notify the
MS Newsgroup of a fix.

I have had your book for a little less than two months and I also found
out from the Newsgroups that you neglected to
tell us also about the Rearm command that lets you have 120 days without
activation. Your book only says you have the
original 30 days.

In conclusion I would hope you would tell me where I can at least find a
solution to my problem of getting System
Restore to create a automatic RP every 12 hours?

Have a good day!
Rich Scotti

My Specifications:
Systemax Venture VX2
Vista Ultimate x86
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 Pentium 2.66 GHz 4M Processor
Socket LGA775 Chipset
Intel Motherboard Name:D975XBX2KR
Memory Installed 4GB PC-6400 800 MHZ DDR2 (4 x 1 GB)
Hard drive:Dual 500 GB SATAII 7200 rpm RAID 0 Stripe
Western Digital External USB HD 500 GB
18X DVD(+/-)R/RW (+/-)R DL drive
52X32X52/16X Combo drive
Nvidia Video Graphics GeForce 7950 GT 512 MB
500W Power supply
Sound/Audio 8 channel Integrated High Definition audio
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

Have a good day,
RScotti

remove "nospam" in order to email me.
 
R

RScotti

I agree. I've read both Ed Bott's books and the Resource Kit, and they are
*both* excellent.
Click to expand...

Since you read the Resource kit Do you know if it addresses my problem?

Have a good day,
RScotti

remove "nospam" in order to email me.
 
J

Jon

This was the thread I was thinking of

Shadow Copy - Can I configure how often?
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...default:SystemRestore&rnum=1#eaef5e654c993d83

Actually the code needs to be modified slightly, to be able to be used as an
automatic task. The following pasted into a .vbs file, and then scheduled
using Task Scheduler, should do the trick.

NB
-You'd need to set it to 'Run with highest privileges' (General tab)
-Schedule it using an administrator level account (General tab)
-Set it to run 'only when a user is logged on' (General tab)
-Uncheck the 'Start the task only if idle..(Conditions tab)

'--------------------------------------------------
RpName = "Scripted Restore Point"
CreateARestorePoint RpName


Function CreateARestorePoint(fn_RPName)

Set SRobj =
GetObject("winmgmts:{impersonationLevel=impersonate}!root/default:SystemRestore")

'Restore Point Type
Const MODIFY_SETTINGS = 12

'Event Type
Const BEGIN_SYSTEM_CHANGE = 100


SRobj.CreateRestorePoint fn_RPName, MODIFY_SETTINGS, BEGIN_SYSTEM_CHANGE


End Function


'--------------------------------------------------



--
Jon


RScotti said:
Hi

You've clearly read Jill Zoeller's posts, who has close contacts with the
System Restore team, so you'll know that the registry keys mentioned in
'Vista Inside Out' are ignored.
Click to expand...
Yes I know that. She tried to help me.
It's an excellent book, but as you are already aware it made a few minor
mistakes in its discussion of System Restore.

If you're having problems with the System Restore scheduled task, then
it's
perhaps related to the conditions that are preset for the task to run eg
the
'on idle' condition.
Click to expand...
I have the idle unchecked. Someone at MS said that worked on his test box.
But not on mine.
If you want to create regular scheduled restore points, then there was
alternative code posted in these Vista forums by one of the Microsoft
boys,
not too long ago, which you could schedule instead. [I forget the exact
post, but you could search for it].
Click to expand...
Do you remember any of the post so I can do a search for it?

Have a good day,
RScotti

remove "nospam" in order to email me.
Click to expand...
 
J

Jon

NB This should all be one long line

Set SRobj =
GetObject("winmgmts:{impersonationLevel=impersonate}!root/default:SystemRestore")


--
Jon


Jon said:
This was the thread I was thinking of

Shadow Copy - Can I configure how often?
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...default:SystemRestore&rnum=1#eaef5e654c993d83

Actually the code needs to be modified slightly, to be able to be used as
an automatic task. The following pasted into a .vbs file, and then
scheduled using Task Scheduler, should do the trick.

NB
-You'd need to set it to 'Run with highest privileges' (General tab)
-Schedule it using an administrator level account (General tab)
-Set it to run 'only when a user is logged on' (General tab)
-Uncheck the 'Start the task only if idle..(Conditions tab)

'--------------------------------------------------
RpName = "Scripted Restore Point"
CreateARestorePoint RpName


Function CreateARestorePoint(fn_RPName)

Set SRobj =
GetObject("winmgmts:{impersonationLevel=impersonate}!root/default:SystemRestore")

'Restore Point Type
Const MODIFY_SETTINGS = 12

'Event Type
Const BEGIN_SYSTEM_CHANGE = 100


SRobj.CreateRestorePoint fn_RPName, MODIFY_SETTINGS, BEGIN_SYSTEM_CHANGE


End Function


'--------------------------------------------------



--
Jon


RScotti said:
Hi

You've clearly read Jill Zoeller's posts, who has close contacts with the
System Restore team, so you'll know that the registry keys mentioned in
'Vista Inside Out' are ignored.
Click to expand...
Yes I know that. She tried to help me.
It's an excellent book, but as you are already aware it made a few minor
mistakes in its discussion of System Restore.

If you're having problems with the System Restore scheduled task, then
it's
perhaps related to the conditions that are preset for the task to run eg
the
'on idle' condition.
Click to expand...
I have the idle unchecked. Someone at MS said that worked on his test
box. But not on mine.
If you want to create regular scheduled restore points, then there was
alternative code posted in these Vista forums by one of the Microsoft
boys,
not too long ago, which you could schedule instead. [I forget the exact
post, but you could search for it].
Click to expand...
Do you remember any of the post so I can do a search for it?

Have a good day,
RScotti

remove "nospam" in order to email me.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
J

Jon

RScotti said:
Since you read the Resource kit Do you know if it addresses my problem?
Click to expand...


Possibly. I recall there being a comment somewhere in the book about the
fact that you can't run Scheduled Tasks that use 'System' credentials
interactively (ie when you're logged on).So perhaps if you're using
automatic login, as many do, then that might cause the task to fail (?)

The 'on idle' condition may also be a factor, or perhaps the code in the dll
is just plain buggy.
 
R

RScotti

Hi Jon,
Sorry, This is way above me but I will try the instructions I think I have them all except Schedule it using an
administrator level account (General tab)
Thanks for your help.
This was the thread I was thinking of

Shadow Copy - Can I configure how often?
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...default:SystemRestore&rnum=1#eaef5e654c993d83

Actually the code needs to be modified slightly, to be able to be used as an
automatic task. The following pasted into a .vbs file, and then scheduled
using Task Scheduler, should do the trick.

NB
-You'd need to set it to 'Run with highest privileges' (General tab)
-Schedule it using an administrator level account (General tab)
-Set it to run 'only when a user is logged on' (General tab)
-Uncheck the 'Start the task only if idle..(Conditions tab)

'--------------------------------------------------
RpName = "Scripted Restore Point"
CreateARestorePoint RpName


Function CreateARestorePoint(fn_RPName)

Set SRobj =
GetObject("winmgmts:{impersonationLevel=impersonate}!root/default:SystemRestore")

'Restore Point Type
Const MODIFY_SETTINGS = 12

'Event Type
Const BEGIN_SYSTEM_CHANGE = 100


SRobj.CreateRestorePoint fn_RPName, MODIFY_SETTINGS, BEGIN_SYSTEM_CHANGE


End Function


'--------------------------------------------------
Click to expand...

Have a good day,
RScotti

remove "nospam" in order to email me.
 

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