Video device not capturing

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Guest

Maybe this has been addressed before, but I am new to this. I have a Canon
ZR45. Windows MM with Windows XP w/ SP2.

MM won't capture the camera/device. The camcorder has a cable with a typical
small camcorder plug at one end and USB plug at the other.

Plugging the camcorder into the USB on my PC-->video capture device not
detected.

I went to Staples to get a firewire card. However, talking to the guy there
it seems the cable from my camcorder won't workout. Firewires have the 4 or 6
pin plugs? After talking to him, he said SP2 has been screwing up people's
USB ports because it messes up the power they draw (or something like that).
He told me to get the Belking USB tetra hub that has it's own power. So I
installed that, hooked up the camcorder and STILL, Movie Maker gives me video
capture device not detected.

Any ideas out there? All I want to do is get video from my DV into MM to
edit a little and burn to DVDs.

Thanks,
D
 
K

kkingster

MM2 works with your camcorder when it's connected by firewire/iLink,
not USB.... your camcorder has both connections but you probably only
got the USB cable with the camcorder.
MM2 recognized my 'USB Device' and asked if I wanted to use it. I am using
a Panasonic GS13.

Larry
 
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PapaJohn \(MVP\)

Thanks... I just tried the USB connection of my Sony TRV80.... I can import
MPEG-1 files from its memory stick but the camcorder doesn't show up as an
available device to capture from the tape as DV-AVI.

AVI can be something other than DV-AVI... I'm interested in confirming that
it's DV-AVI via USB, and capture with Movie Maker and not DVStudio with the
Panasonic codec.

Your GS13 comes with both a firewire connection and USB, as does my Sony....
Yours also comes with DVStudio software, which I also have on my Toshiba
laptop... DVStudio uses the Panasonic DV codec instead of Microsoft's.... I
guess I'm going to do some playing

You may have a rare exception to having to use firewire... so rare I'd like
to understand more about it....

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G

Guest

Well, I did locate the 4 pin plug on my Canon ZR45 DV camcorder.
Bought Adaptec AFW-4300 Firewire adapter and installed. bought a 4-pin/6-pim
cable and hooked it up. MM still doesn't capture or recognize the camera.

When I put the firewire card in and booted up the PC (eMachines T2892) it
didn't start the new hardware wizard. The disc that came with the firewire
card has not software or drivers on it besides Adobe. It says that WinXP
should have the detect the device and load the embedded river.

The flimsy user guide says to go to Device Manager and check to see if the
adapter is installed correctly under the IEEE 1394 Bus Host Controler. I see
no such thing!
Also under troubleshooting says to make sure that Bus Matstering support is
supported and enabled for the PCI slot containing the firewire card. What is
all this? ANy ideas?

Thanks,
Don
 
J

John Kelly

Hello,

You should get the Movie Maker author and Microsoft Valued Professional
(MVP) Papajohn to answer this for you...perhaps resend and put his name in
the message title
 
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PapaJohn \(MVP\)

Don,

Yes, in the Device Manger there should be a main branch with the name 'IEEE
1394 Bus host controllers'

A few notes:

The firewire card needs to be OHCI compliant... does the box or instructions
say it is?

Use the pull down menu of your Device Manager - Action > Scan for hardware
changes.

If it can't find it and the entry isn't there... new cards sometimes need an
extra push to get them to fully seat/snap into place... give it an extra
push or remove and reinsert it.

I think PCI slot specific settings are in your BIOS, not accessed via the
control panel...

There are others on this newsgroup who are more knowledgeable of hardware
issues than I am. If they don't pitch in, try a post at the forums at
www.SimplyDV.com.

Another basic, after you have the card installation done, is to be sure to
turn your camcorder on in VCR/VTR mode... it should be auto-detected by XP
as soon as you select the VCR/VTR mode.
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PapaJohn

Movie Maker 2 - www.papajohn.org
Photo Story 2 - www.photostory.papajohn.org
Photo Story 3 - use the menu branch at www.papajohn.org

..
 
J

John Kelly

es, in the Device Manger there should be a main branch with the name 'IEEE
1394 Bus host controllers'

A few notes:

The firewire card needs to be OHCI compliant... does the box or instructions
say it is?

Do you know of any that are Not?
Use the pull down menu of your Device Manager - Action > Scan for hardware
changes.

The question asked relates to bus mastering...you will not find any help there.
If it can't find it and the entry isn't there... new cards sometimes need an
extra push to get them to fully seat/snap into place... give it an extra
push or remove and reinsert it.

Good advice but sod all to do with Bus Mastering
I think PCI slot specific settings are in your BIOS, not accessed via the
control panel...>
Correct!

There are others on this newsgroup who are more knowledgeable of hardware
issues than I am. If they don't pitch in, try a post at the forums at
www.SimplyDV.com.

Oh dear....
Another basic, after you have the card installation done, is to be sure to
turn your camcorder on in VCR/VTR mode... it should be auto-detected by XP
as soon as you select the VCR/VTR mode.

Still looking for help on Bus Mastering here...sod all to do with windows at
this point

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www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
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John Kelly

Hello,

The advice from the MVP does not really help......so lets see if I can at least
put you on the right track.

Bus mastering is a technique for transferring data along the motherboard
pathways without having to wait for the CPU to give permission. The most
obvious remark is, your motherboard must be able to do this, and it must be
turned on...yes there are motherboards that could still be around that cannot
do this....they would be old though

The essential task any device plugged into the bus must be able to provide is
control over its own data flow. To that end the device MUST have its own CPU
(What we are looking at here is a mini internet if you had not realised) Each
device acts in a sense like a small standalone computer regulating the flow of
data out onto the BUS and picks up data that is flagged for that device

To fix your problem....this will have to be general because I don't know what
your BIOS screen looks like

1) If you do not have the manual for your motherboard, find the website for the
manufacturer and download it...it will not be very big...they never are.

2) Print motherboard manual and look for the procedure to reset the CMOS to its
default settings.....you will need this if you screw up

3) Remove firewire card...this because it may be defective

4) Discover from manual if you do not already know what the key combination is
you need to press at boot-up so that the BIOS settings are displayed instead of
booting to windows

5) Boot computer using the key combination.......I find that you have to
repeatedly press the key(S) in a rapid action so that you catch it at the right
moment.

6) When the screen appears put both hands in your pocket DO NOT TOUCH ANYTHING

7) Read the screen carefully and compare with the printout before you navigate
around the screen....if you do something wrong here you could cause your
machine to fail to reboot properly.

8) This is where it gets hard to describe....you will be looking for PCI
settings, it may say something along the lines of PCI to (name of chipset)
there will be ON, OFF and possibly AUTO. You may also need to confirm that the
PCI slot in question...has PCI to DMA enabled

If you are not sure what you are doing, or if you get in a mess...Look for the
option to set that particular screen to its DEFAULT setting. Take note that you
should NOT load Default Turbo settings if offered....they are for the Geek's of
this world who apart from any other consideration are not worried if the board
burns out....

You should NOT install the firewire card at this point. When you are ready
reboot the machine, let it settle down and reboot again, let it settle once
more and then turn it off and put the firewire card in. Important Note....There
has been talk that Texas Instruments Firewire cards do not work well with Movie
Maker via XP...if yours has a T. I. chipset this may be where your problem
actually lies....

Power up the machine and touch nothing until you are certain all boot-up
activity has finished. You may now have a dialog box on the screen relating to
having found your "new hardware" follow it through with patience.

Right click My Computer > Manage > Device Manager and look for the firewire
card. Dependent upon how its chipset identifies itself to the computer you may
find the card listed under Network Adapters or under the 1394 (whatever it is)
It should NOT do this but it could improperly identify itself as an IDE
device...if it does its almost certainly defunct. Anyway, you are looking for
an exclamation mark or a red cross...either means trouble. Look at the
properties for the card and read what it says...report back here if needs be.

While looking at the device you need to make certain that the device is
available in the current configuration. You should also look for its power
settings and make sure that the option to turn it off or put into standby is
not enabled...its not crucial but from past experience hoping that windows
correctly powers the device back up can be just that...Hope!!

While in the device manager take a look at the PCI, MSMD (Microsoft Systems
Management something) and DMA (Direct Memory Access) settings, you will find
them under system device. Basically there is only one thing to look for. Under
the General Tab of its properties..."This Device Is Working Properly" DO NOT
change any settings in there...it requires a lot of knowledge and
understanding...I used to do this sort of thing in the DOS days...not now
though

I had it in mind to say something else....but I am having one of those senior
moments...if I remember I will post another reply

That's it for now I think...a bit vague but not as vague as elsewhere eh???

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Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
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John Kelly

Papajohn,
Yes this is a little simple....as you have demonstrated that you do not know
the answer to this issue, I do not expect to hear that you have included my
reply on your Bulletin Board...you DO NOT have my permission to use my words or
any re-arrangment of them.

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Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Check out free video hosting at www.the-kellys.org
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PapaJohn \(MVP\)

JK

No problem not including it at this point.... I'll wait for feedback about
what the issue is and how it's resolved.... If anything you said becomes
part of the appropriate info to add to my site, I'll include it as I don't
need your permission to quote from public newsgroups. But I won't use your
name without permission.

If your goal is more to take potshots at me than to help others with peer
support, that's your right. I don't mind risking being wrong, or saying that
I don't know something... if it helps the poster... but don't let my being
involved in a discussion thread be a reason to hold back on your support...
you have a lot of knowledge.
--
PapaJohn

Movie Maker 2 - www.papajohn.org
Photo Story 2 - www.photostory.papajohn.org
Photo Story 3 - use the menu branch at www.papajohn.org

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J

John Kelly

Now who told you to say that.....??? By the way...the name to you is Mr Kelly

And you did not answer my question about "do you give the users who's knowledge
you appear to purloin...you use the expression "I am only hear to learn" I seem
to remember, a cut in the money you earn from these, I am only here to learn
sessions.....and I will say again to the question you have not posed since I
believe the second book you published of knowledge gained in here was
it???...(With your permission I will add that.....) you DO NOT HAVE MY
PERMISSION TO PUBLISH IN ANY FORM MY WORK....period. And yes you do need my
permission just as much for text as you do for a picture...OK???? and lets not
have another imaginary person dreamt up by microsoft to support one of your
other stupid remarks about Movie Maker being network aware....do you have any
idea what those who do know what they are talking about thought of that remark.

And yes, I too keep copies of what people say....but I do not do it to earn
money out of things I learn from what you describe as a public forum.

And what happened to the irresponsible remarks that a user had the misfortune
to take as being good advice from your website...where has your duty to him
gone...I see no evidence (still) that you have dealt with the issue and I see
no evidence that you have helped him out...but we all keep hearing how you use
this newsgroup to promote your money making books. Do the rules allow you to
run a money making business via a Microsoft newsgroup? Are we to take the reply
you did give as being an attitude along the lines of...its up to them if they
use it and hard luck if its bad advice...do I need to quote the exact comment
or will my paraphrasing do? When will you help the user. I always suspected you
had that attitude, but could not publicly say as there was no real
evidence....thank you for providing it.

With regard to how much knowledge I have...your remarks are very close to being
insulting...how would you know what depth my knowledge goes to...until I forced
the issue...listen to this one folks...you did not understand how to use the
most basic tool in the internet ... a news reader...Outlook Express....and you
want to assure me that I have a lot of knowledge LOLOLOLOLOL Mr, you really do
not understand do you?

As you confirmed to me quite some time back, there can not be two people who
control this newsgroup....as far as I am concerned Microsoft control it, I do
not think now or ever in the past that I do....can you please tell exactly why
do you think that YOU do...by the way...how are those back channels doing?
LOL...some interesting stuff

Be assured that there is nothing you can say or do that will ever stop me
helping others to the best of my abilities....the major difference, I do not
then make money out of my position or help given by others...I give my time
free and if I was to cause some one to take the wrong action I would go to very
long depths to make sure it was put right, and do it publicly. And I would not
have anything on my website that I could not personally prove to be right.

Oh yes, I expect we will get some message posted in here real soon, probably
from the same guy who invented a Microsoft employee to try and support some of
your prior remarks...I wonder who will get invented next???? a Lawyer
perhaps??? Don't forget MY background now will you!

Finally, I don't take pot shots, I ask you to justify remarks. I do that
because I know you are giving bad advice. In the past I tried to help you by
making remarks that eased things along, in return all we saw were belittling
remarks that added further proof of your own limited knowledge. You
unfortunately did it in public too...its not nice when the tables are turned is
it???? Still waiting to see some support for that chap though...

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Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Check out free video hosting at www.the-kellys.org
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John Kelly

Papajohn,
You may want to read the below and then reconsider your position.....it seems
to me that you may well be liable to quite a few copyright holders!!
On October 27th, 1998, a new law called The Digital Millenium Copyright Act was
signed (Public Law 105-298). A copy of the law is available from the Government
Printing Office
This law helps bring the U.S. into uniformity with the World Intellectual
Property Organization (WIPO) treaty.
While a lengthy law, its main orientation is towards "stored copyrighted
materials" and supports the right for libraries and archives to contain
copyrighted materials for non-commercial purposes. NON COMMERCIAL
There is a procedure outlined by which a publisher may ask that material be
removed from an archive, but there are no liabilities on the part of the archive
site for the storage of copyrighted materials.
There is a requirement which every archive site should meet (including the
owners of list servers) to provide contact information to the U.S. Copyright
Office of a "designated agent" -- a person whom a copyright holder can contact.
It is our opinion that it is extremely unlikely that a copyright holder will
ever contact an archive site's designated agent when language, as we use, is
provided to indicate the "fair use" aspect of its dissemination and storage.

COPYRIGHT - BASIC FACTS ABOUT COPYRIGHT
What is Copyright?
Copyright gives the creators of certain kinds of material rights to control ways
their material can be used. These rights start as soon as the material is
recorded in writing or in any other way. There is no official registration
system. The rights cover:
copying;
adapting;
distributing;
communicating to the public by electronic transmission (including by
broadcasting and in an on demand service);
renting or lending copies to the public; and,
performing in public
In many cases, the author will also have the right to be identified on their
works and to object if their work is distorted or mutilated.

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Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
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G

Guest

whoa johnny boy, you need to take your pissy, verbose rantings somewhere
else. papajohn has a website. go bother him there and stop indulging yourself
at the expense of those of us who are trying to resolve problems.
xxoo,
cyndi
 
G

Guest

ALL READERS PLAESE TAKE NOTE THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER FLAME STARTER IN THIS
NEWSGROUP

anonymous835 said:
whoa johnny boy, you need to take your pissy, verbose rantings somewhere

Johnnyboy do you know what a dictionary is??
else. papajohn has a website. go bother him there and stop indulging yourself
at the expense of those of us who are trying to resolve problems.
xxoo,
cyndi

Why don't you take your vulgar remarks and sink back into the slime you
appear to have come from and while there don't go starting any more flame
wars the amount of gas you give off might just burn your little cindi, cindi

anonymous835 = Flame Starter
 

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