TIF folders problems

W

Wesley Vogel

Burt;
"..why are there TIF folders in all these different places?"

Why is there air?

I don't know why. But I have these:

C:\Documents and Settings\WESLEY P. VOGEL\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temp\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\systemprofile\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
==========
Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK

Click Folders to show the tree in the left hand pane.
Look around for some of the 8.3 named TIFs.
 
J

JAX

Hi Wes,

I have a bunch of tif files on my machine. Too many to name here, many are
related to AutoCAD and other programs. Many were internet related. I see no
problem with them. It seems the OP will never be satisfied with an answer
here. Perhaps "A friend in a high place" would have the answer he wants.

Cheers, JAX

Burt;
"..why are there TIF folders in all these different places?"

Why is there air?

I don't know why. But I have these:

C:\Documents and Settings\WESLEY P. VOGEL\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temp\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\systemprofile\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
==========
Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK

Click Folders to show the tree in the left hand pane.
Look around for some of the 8.3 named TIFs.
 
W

Wesley Vogel

Hello JAX;
Maybe so.

But you should be careful, I have friends in
low places. :D

What bothers me is the Index.dat files.
I have found a couple of ways to delete them.
They're just recreated, but they aren't so damned big. :blush:)

Keep having fun!
Wes

In
 
B

Burt

Jax,
HA HA on the High Places... You guys are ALL in higher places
than it appears I am... In seeing Wes's reply, maybe this is common
for XP and I am not used to it... Sorry if I am possibly a little
OVER critical, I just want to know what is going on.. I can help
others as well with this information from all of you.
Thanx again,
Burt
 
B

Burt

Wesley,
I did the %TEMP% that you asked and it shows 1 TIF folder with a
subfolder
of IE5 and if you expand that there is nothing in the IE5 folder but the
index.dat file 0 bytes.
There are some other FILES in that search but that is it.
Burt

Burt;
"..why are there TIF folders in all these different places?"

Why is there air?

I don't know why. But I have these:

C:\Documents and Settings\WESLEY P. VOGEL\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temp\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\systemprofile\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
==========
Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK

Click Folders to show the tree in the left hand pane.
Look around for some of the 8.3 named TIFs.
 
B

Burt

Thanx Plato, but all that had been covered before my OP.
This whole mess is probably making me look like an idiot...
Problem is, I repair and keep about 300 computers in our
little town running and have never run into this before..
My son bought a new Dell running XP Home and it doesn't
have all these infernal problems.. Nor all the mess that
I have described above.. Like I said in previous parts of
this thread, this machine is NEW out of the box about a
week ago... Only installs I have made are Adobe Acrobat Reader,
Adobe PhotoShop 7, otherwise it is stock..
Thanx again for the input.
Burt
 
D

David Candy

Your settings are correct.
This is your path
C:\\Documents and Settings\\Geezer\\Local Settings\\Temporary Internet Files

Type in Start Run
cmd
then set
and check userprofile is = to C:\Documents and Settings\Geezer

You are an administrator aren't you?

Change the Cache value (we've only doing HKCU but both of them) by adding a 1 to the end of the name. Reboot (and Temporary Internet Files1 folder will be created), delete the original folder, if you care about names repeat the procedure removing the 1.
 
B

Burt

David,
User profile is correct in cmd.
Yes, I am administrator.

<Change the Cache value (we've only doing HKCU but both of them) by adding a
1 to the end of the name. >
Your quote above:
Do you mean for me to do this to both HKCU and HKLM?

Burt


Your settings are correct.
This is your path
C:\\Documents and Settings\\Geezer\\Local Settings\\Temporary Internet Files

Type in Start Run
cmd
then set
and check userprofile is = to C:\Documents and Settings\Geezer

You are an administrator aren't you?

Change the Cache value (we've only doing HKCU but both of them) by adding a
1 to the end of the name. Reboot (and Temporary Internet Files1 folder will
be created), delete the original folder, if you care about names repeat the
procedure removing the 1.
 
D

David Candy

No, just HKCU\...\Shell Folders and User Shell Folders. Cache isn't in HKLM (but I wanted to look anyway)
 
W

Wesley Vogel

Burt;
Contrary to what you may believe, I am not being critical.
And until I understand something, I don't care how *I* look.
:blush:)
That said.
The way I understand it,
Windows lies to us and hides things from us.
It also spies on us.
Index.dat files being a good example.

Some Index.dat files are hidden.
There are seven or eight of these bad boys on XP.
Some are hard to delete because they are a 'system' file
and in use. They can also grow to huge size.

Example of what has been on my XP machine.

C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\LOCALS~1\History\History.IE5\index.dat
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.IE5\index.dat
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\Cookies\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.IE5\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\History\History.IE5\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\Cookies\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\UserData\index.dat

I do not remember where I acquired the following
info, so I can't attribute it to the author(s).
{Sorry to whomever.}
Many sources over a period of time.
============================
[The most important files to be paying attention to are your "index.dat" files. These are database files that reference your history, cache and cookies. The first thing you should know is that the index.dat files is that they don't exist in less you know they do. They second thing you should know about them is that some will *not* get cleared after deleting your history and cache.]
------------------------
The Default Structure of the Primary I.E. Folders
Cache Folder:

<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5 [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\index.dat
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random1.. [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random1..\..cache files..
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random8.. [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random8..\..cache files..

Cookie Folder:

<base>\cookies [dir]
<base>\cookies\index.dat
<base>\cookies\..cookie files..

History Folder:

<base>\history\history.ie5 [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\index.dat
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist01.. [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist01..\index.dat
- - - - - - - -
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist0n.. [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist0n..\index.dat

Notes -
[dir] indicates that the line represents a folder (or directory) name.

The folder levels 'content.ie5' and 'history.ie5' were introduced with IE-5. They are not used in IE-4.

The Index.dat file within the Cache folder is used to contain URL names, date and time stamps, and pointers to the actual cache files which are spread among the four to eight cache sub-folders. These sub-folders are named with randomly-generated 8-character names.

The Index.dat file within the Cookie folder is used to contain URL names, date and time stamps, and pointers to the actual Cookie files which are stored within this same folder.

The Index.dat file within the upper level of the History folder is used to store 'Visited URL' names, date and time stamps. This is the data used by I.E. for its AutoComplete function and controlling the highlighting of imbedded links on the displayed Web pages.

There is one 'mshist...' file for each day of history that you have instructed I.E. to retain. The daily history is stored in the subordinate Index.dat files.

For the above, <base> illustrates the base portion of the path to the folder. This varies widely between the various combinations of Operating Systems and I.E. versions.

For the simplest systems without user profiles, it could be: "C:\WINDOWS"

For a Win-9x system with profiles, it could be: "C:\WINDOWS\PROFILES\login-name"

For a Win-2000 [and NT/XP] system, it could be: "C:\DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\login-name\LOCAL SETTINGS"
===========================================
Any more questions? I've got lots of info.
I could not delete a couple of Index.dat files for a long time.
So I studied TIF/Index.dat off and on for quite a while.

I should take the time to put all my TIF/Index.dat notes
together in a readable form. Right now they are the *equivalent*
of a shoebox full of napkins, torn scraps of paper and
matchbooks written on with crayon. ;o)
 
B

Burt

Wesley,
Thankyou much for making me NOT feel like an idiot... I dig
quite deep into these computers and consider myself fair to good
with 98 and ME.... This XP is a little new to me.. I have only been
playing around with them a little in the past. There is so much
stuff changed and I must say that I am not really convinced some of
these changes are for the better... This new machine seems to be a
little unstable ie: It sometimes won't remember settings for various
things, I have had some shutdown problems and am trying to just
iron these bugs out one at a time... My old Dell running 98 FE is
as solid as a rock and has been ever since I bought it new in 98.
I guess I got spoiled. I do keep constant maintainance on my
computers and not let stuff go till I have problems..

Thanx again for removing the possibility that I was an idiot..
I know I am not, but... Lacking a bunch of knowledge I would sure
like to have tho.. I have always been a "WHY" and "HOW TO"
type guy...
Burt

Burt;
Contrary to what you may believe, I am not being critical.
And until I understand something, I don't care how *I* look.
:blush:)
That said.
The way I understand it,
Windows lies to us and hides things from us.
It also spies on us.
Index.dat files being a good example.

Some Index.dat files are hidden.
There are seven or eight of these bad boys on XP.
Some are hard to delete because they are a 'system' file
and in use. They can also grow to huge size.

Example of what has been on my XP machine.

C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\LOCALS~1\History\History.IE5\index.dat
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.IE5\index.dat
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\Cookies\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.IE5\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\History\History.IE5\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\Cookies\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\UserData\index.dat

I do not remember where I acquired the following
info, so I can't attribute it to the author(s).
{Sorry to whomever.}
Many sources over a period of time.
============================
[The most important files to be paying attention to are your "index.dat"
files. These are database files that reference your history, cache and
cookies. The first thing you should know is that the index.dat files is that
they don't exist in less you know they do. They second thing you should know
about them is that some will *not* get cleared after deleting your history
and cache.]
------------------------
The Default Structure of the Primary I.E. Folders
Cache Folder:

<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5 [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\index.dat
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random1.. [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random1..\..cache files..
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random8.. [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random8..\..cache files..

Cookie Folder:

<base>\cookies [dir]
<base>\cookies\index.dat
<base>\cookies\..cookie files..

History Folder:

<base>\history\history.ie5 [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\index.dat
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist01.. [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist01..\index.dat
- - - - - - - -
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist0n.. [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist0n..\index.dat

Notes -
[dir] indicates that the line represents a folder (or directory) name.

The folder levels 'content.ie5' and 'history.ie5' were introduced with IE-5.
They are not used in IE-4.

The Index.dat file within the Cache folder is used to contain URL names,
date and time stamps, and pointers to the actual cache files which are
spread among the four to eight cache sub-folders. These sub-folders are
named with randomly-generated 8-character names.

The Index.dat file within the Cookie folder is used to contain URL names,
date and time stamps, and pointers to the actual Cookie files which are
stored within this same folder.

The Index.dat file within the upper level of the History folder is used to
store 'Visited URL' names, date and time stamps. This is the data used by
I.E. for its AutoComplete function and controlling the highlighting of
imbedded links on the displayed Web pages.

There is one 'mshist...' file for each day of history that you have
instructed I.E. to retain. The daily history is stored in the subordinate
Index.dat files.

For the above, <base> illustrates the base portion of the path to the
folder. This varies widely between the various combinations of Operating
Systems and I.E. versions.

For the simplest systems without user profiles, it could be: "C:\WINDOWS"

For a Win-9x system with profiles, it could be:
"C:\WINDOWS\PROFILES\login-name"

For a Win-2000 [and NT/XP] system, it could be: "C:\DOCUMENTS AND
SETTINGS\login-name\LOCAL SETTINGS"
===========================================
Any more questions? I've got lots of info.
I could not delete a couple of Index.dat files for a long time.
So I studied TIF/Index.dat off and on for quite a while.

I should take the time to put all my TIF/Index.dat notes
together in a readable form. Right now they are the *equivalent*
of a shoebox full of napkins, torn scraps of paper and
matchbooks written on with crayon. ;o)
 
B

Burt

David,
I did as you recommended and followed you closely on it...
Here are the results.... It showed the TIF1 ok under the Settings
button on Tools/Internet Options/General tab and also the folder
showed in Explore... If I click View Files button under the Settings
button, it shows all the files, but if you navigate in Explore to the
same destination, the folder is there, but no + sign and no IE5 Content
folder nor any other subfolders under it. I can't figure out why they
are not displaying in Explore.

I certainly appreciate your efforts here.. Did you notice in this
same thread the reply by Wesley Vogel.. It seems he has tried to
dig into this same type problem some time ago. He posted quite a
bit of info there about this but he didn't seem to come up with an
answer either... I guess I am not alone at least with this problem..
Burt

No, just HKCU\...\Shell Folders and User Shell Folders. Cache isn't in HKLM
(but I wanted to look anyway)
 
W

Wesley Vogel

Burt;
There is no such thing as a dumb question, if you don't
know the answer. :blush:)

I had an Instructor in trade school who had a plaque that
read something like, "It's the EXCEPTIONAL student who
asks questions the Instructor can answer." :D

As far as XP changes go, who knows? If they made it to please
everyone, it'd be the size of my truck.

If you do a little digging, you'll find that Index.dat files are on 98
also and some are hidden there as well.

If you do Google Search for index.dat and wade through all the ads,
there's a lot of info. Keep in mind that you can't boot to DOS with
XP, but you CAN boot in Safe Mode with Command Prompt.
You can delete more than you may want to this way. :blush:)
I know this for a fact. I deleted Documents and Settings twice
before I figured out what I was doing wrong. :-(

My XP Home is full of bugs. Luckily there are sites like Kelly
Theriot's, Doug Knox's and similar that are full of fixes.

There are some bugs for various settings. For example, if you're
using Classic Start Menu, every once in a while XP forgets your
Customize Notification settings. Arghhhhhhh.............!!

WINDOWS XP SHUTDOWN & RESTART TROUBLESHOOTING
Version 12.14 - January 18, 2004
http://aumha.org/win5/a/shtdwnxp.php

There have been plenty of people on these newsgroups that not
only have made me feel like an idiot. Some have even called me
that or worse. Good thing they haven't seen me typing the last
five minutes or so. <LOL>

Keep having fun!
--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In
Burt said:
Wesley,
Thankyou much for making me NOT feel like an idiot... I dig
quite deep into these computers and consider myself fair to good
with 98 and ME.... This XP is a little new to me.. I have only been
playing around with them a little in the past. There is so much
stuff changed and I must say that I am not really convinced some of
these changes are for the better... This new machine seems to be a
little unstable ie: It sometimes won't remember settings for various
things, I have had some shutdown problems and am trying to just
iron these bugs out one at a time... My old Dell running 98 FE is
as solid as a rock and has been ever since I bought it new in 98.
I guess I got spoiled. I do keep constant maintainance on my
computers and not let stuff go till I have problems..

Thanx again for removing the possibility that I was an idiot..
I know I am not, but... Lacking a bunch of knowledge I would sure
like to have tho.. I have always been a "WHY" and "HOW TO"
type guy...
Burt

Burt;
Contrary to what you may believe, I am not being critical.
And until I understand something, I don't care how *I* look.
:blush:)
That said.
The way I understand it,
Windows lies to us and hides things from us.
It also spies on us.
Index.dat files being a good example.

Some Index.dat files are hidden.
There are seven or eight of these bad boys on XP.
Some are hard to delete because they are a 'system' file
and in use. They can also grow to huge size.

Example of what has been on my XP machine.

C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\LOCALS~1\History\History.IE5\index.dat
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.IE5\index.dat
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\Cookies\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.IE5\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\History\History.IE5\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\Cookies\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\UserData\index.dat

I do not remember where I acquired the following
info, so I can't attribute it to the author(s).
{Sorry to whomever.}
Many sources over a period of time.
============================
[The most important files to be paying attention to are your "index.dat"
files. These are database files that reference your history, cache and
cookies. The first thing you should know is that the index.dat files is that
they don't exist in less you know they do. They second thing you should know
about them is that some will *not* get cleared after deleting your history
and cache.]
------------------------
The Default Structure of the Primary I.E. Folders
Cache Folder:

<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5 [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\index.dat
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random1.. [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random1..\..cache files..
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random8.. [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random8..\..cache files..

Cookie Folder:

<base>\cookies [dir]
<base>\cookies\index.dat
<base>\cookies\..cookie files..

History Folder:

<base>\history\history.ie5 [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\index.dat
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist01.. [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist01..\index.dat
- - - - - - - -
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist0n.. [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist0n..\index.dat

Notes -
[dir] indicates that the line represents a folder (or directory) name.

The folder levels 'content.ie5' and 'history.ie5' were introduced with IE-5.
They are not used in IE-4.

The Index.dat file within the Cache folder is used to contain URL names,
date and time stamps, and pointers to the actual cache files which are
spread among the four to eight cache sub-folders. These sub-folders are
named with randomly-generated 8-character names.

The Index.dat file within the Cookie folder is used to contain URL names,
date and time stamps, and pointers to the actual Cookie files which are
stored within this same folder.

The Index.dat file within the upper level of the History folder is used to
store 'Visited URL' names, date and time stamps. This is the data used by
I.E. for its AutoComplete function and controlling the highlighting of
imbedded links on the displayed Web pages.

There is one 'mshist...' file for each day of history that you have
instructed I.E. to retain. The daily history is stored in the subordinate
Index.dat files.

For the above, <base> illustrates the base portion of the path to the
folder. This varies widely between the various combinations of Operating
Systems and I.E. versions.

For the simplest systems without user profiles, it could be: "C:\WINDOWS"

For a Win-9x system with profiles, it could be:
"C:\WINDOWS\PROFILES\login-name"

For a Win-2000 [and NT/XP] system, it could be: "C:\DOCUMENTS AND
SETTINGS\login-name\LOCAL SETTINGS"
===========================================
Any more questions? I've got lots of info.
I could not delete a couple of Index.dat files for a long time.
So I studied TIF/Index.dat off and on for quite a while.

I should take the time to put all my TIF/Index.dat notes
together in a readable form. Right now they are the *equivalent*
of a shoebox full of napkins, torn scraps of paper and
matchbooks written on with crayon. ;o)
--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In
Burt said:
Wesley,
I did the %TEMP% that you asked and it shows 1 TIF folder with a
subfolder
of IE5 and if you expand that there is nothing in the IE5 folder but the
index.dat file 0 bytes.
There are some other FILES in that search but that is it.
Burt

Burt;
"..why are there TIF folders in all these different places?"

Why is there air?

I don't know why. But I have these:

C:\Documents and Settings\WESLEY P. VOGEL\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temp\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\systemprofile\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
==========
Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK

Click Folders to show the tree in the left hand pane.
Look around for some of the 8.3 named TIFs.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In
 
B

Burt

Wesley,
Thanx so much for the encouragement... I have always been a
learner... I had to know how everything worked since I was a kid.
With the knowledge I have aquired over the 65 years, I have
helped a lot of people and most of it for free just like these
groups do..
Anyway, thanx again,
Burt

Burt;
There is no such thing as a dumb question, if you don't
know the answer. :blush:)

I had an Instructor in trade school who had a plaque that
read something like, "It's the EXCEPTIONAL student who
asks questions the Instructor can answer." :D

As far as XP changes go, who knows? If they made it to please
everyone, it'd be the size of my truck.

If you do a little digging, you'll find that Index.dat files are on 98
also and some are hidden there as well.

If you do Google Search for index.dat and wade through all the ads,
there's a lot of info. Keep in mind that you can't boot to DOS with
XP, but you CAN boot in Safe Mode with Command Prompt.
You can delete more than you may want to this way. :blush:)
I know this for a fact. I deleted Documents and Settings twice
before I figured out what I was doing wrong. :-(

My XP Home is full of bugs. Luckily there are sites like Kelly
Theriot's, Doug Knox's and similar that are full of fixes.

There are some bugs for various settings. For example, if you're
using Classic Start Menu, every once in a while XP forgets your
Customize Notification settings. Arghhhhhhh.............!!

WINDOWS XP SHUTDOWN & RESTART TROUBLESHOOTING
Version 12.14 - January 18, 2004
http://aumha.org/win5/a/shtdwnxp.php

There have been plenty of people on these newsgroups that not
only have made me feel like an idiot. Some have even called me
that or worse. Good thing they haven't seen me typing the last
five minutes or so. <LOL>

Keep having fun!
--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In
Burt said:
Wesley,
Thankyou much for making me NOT feel like an idiot... I dig
quite deep into these computers and consider myself fair to good
with 98 and ME.... This XP is a little new to me.. I have only been
playing around with them a little in the past. There is so much
stuff changed and I must say that I am not really convinced some of
these changes are for the better... This new machine seems to be a
little unstable ie: It sometimes won't remember settings for various
things, I have had some shutdown problems and am trying to just
iron these bugs out one at a time... My old Dell running 98 FE is
as solid as a rock and has been ever since I bought it new in 98.
I guess I got spoiled. I do keep constant maintainance on my
computers and not let stuff go till I have problems..

Thanx again for removing the possibility that I was an idiot..
I know I am not, but... Lacking a bunch of knowledge I would sure
like to have tho.. I have always been a "WHY" and "HOW TO"
type guy...
Burt

Burt;
Contrary to what you may believe, I am not being critical.
And until I understand something, I don't care how *I* look.
:blush:)
That said.
The way I understand it,
Windows lies to us and hides things from us.
It also spies on us.
Index.dat files being a good example.

Some Index.dat files are hidden.
There are seven or eight of these bad boys on XP.
Some are hard to delete because they are a 'system' file
and in use. They can also grow to huge size.

Example of what has been on my XP machine.

C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\LOCALS~1\History\History.IE5\index.dat
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.IE5\index.dat
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\Cookies\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.IE5\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\History\History.IE5\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\Cookies\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\UserData\index.dat

I do not remember where I acquired the following
info, so I can't attribute it to the author(s).
{Sorry to whomever.}
Many sources over a period of time.
============================
[The most important files to be paying attention to are your "index.dat"
files. These are database files that reference your history, cache and
cookies. The first thing you should know is that the index.dat files is that
they don't exist in less you know they do. They second thing you should know
about them is that some will *not* get cleared after deleting your history
and cache.]
------------------------
The Default Structure of the Primary I.E. Folders
Cache Folder:

<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5 [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\index.dat
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random1.. [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random1..\..cache files..
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random8.. [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random8..\..cache files..

Cookie Folder:

<base>\cookies [dir]
<base>\cookies\index.dat
<base>\cookies\..cookie files..

History Folder:

<base>\history\history.ie5 [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\index.dat
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist01.. [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist01..\index.dat
- - - - - - - -
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist0n.. [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist0n..\index.dat

Notes -
[dir] indicates that the line represents a folder (or directory) name.

The folder levels 'content.ie5' and 'history.ie5' were introduced with IE-5.
They are not used in IE-4.

The Index.dat file within the Cache folder is used to contain URL names,
date and time stamps, and pointers to the actual cache files which are
spread among the four to eight cache sub-folders. These sub-folders are
named with randomly-generated 8-character names.

The Index.dat file within the Cookie folder is used to contain URL names,
date and time stamps, and pointers to the actual Cookie files which are
stored within this same folder.

The Index.dat file within the upper level of the History folder is used to
store 'Visited URL' names, date and time stamps. This is the data used by
I.E. for its AutoComplete function and controlling the highlighting of
imbedded links on the displayed Web pages.

There is one 'mshist...' file for each day of history that you have
instructed I.E. to retain. The daily history is stored in the subordinate
Index.dat files.

For the above, <base> illustrates the base portion of the path to the
folder. This varies widely between the various combinations of Operating
Systems and I.E. versions.

For the simplest systems without user profiles, it could be: "C:\WINDOWS"

For a Win-9x system with profiles, it could be:
"C:\WINDOWS\PROFILES\login-name"

For a Win-2000 [and NT/XP] system, it could be: "C:\DOCUMENTS AND
SETTINGS\login-name\LOCAL SETTINGS"
===========================================
Any more questions? I've got lots of info.
I could not delete a couple of Index.dat files for a long time.
So I studied TIF/Index.dat off and on for quite a while.

I should take the time to put all my TIF/Index.dat notes
together in a readable form. Right now they are the *equivalent*
of a shoebox full of napkins, torn scraps of paper and
matchbooks written on with crayon. ;o)
--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In
Burt said:
Wesley,
I did the %TEMP% that you asked and it shows 1 TIF folder with a
subfolder
of IE5 and if you expand that there is nothing in the IE5 folder but the
index.dat file 0 bytes.
There are some other FILES in that search but that is it.
Burt

Burt;
"..why are there TIF folders in all these different places?"

Why is there air?

I don't know why. But I have these:

C:\Documents and Settings\WESLEY P. VOGEL\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temp\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\systemprofile\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
==========
Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK

Click Folders to show the tree in the left hand pane.
Look around for some of the 8.3 named TIFs.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In
 
W

Wesley Vogel

Burt
You betcha!

Wes

In
Burt said:
Wesley,
Thanx so much for the encouragement... I have always been a
learner... I had to know how everything worked since I was a kid.
With the knowledge I have aquired over the 65 years, I have
helped a lot of people and most of it for free just like these
groups do..
Anyway, thanx again,
Burt

Burt;
There is no such thing as a dumb question, if you don't
know the answer. :blush:)

I had an Instructor in trade school who had a plaque that
read something like, "It's the EXCEPTIONAL student who
asks questions the Instructor can answer." :D

As far as XP changes go, who knows? If they made it to please
everyone, it'd be the size of my truck.

If you do a little digging, you'll find that Index.dat files are on 98
also and some are hidden there as well.

If you do Google Search for index.dat and wade through all the ads,
there's a lot of info. Keep in mind that you can't boot to DOS with
XP, but you CAN boot in Safe Mode with Command Prompt.
You can delete more than you may want to this way. :blush:)
I know this for a fact. I deleted Documents and Settings twice
before I figured out what I was doing wrong. :-(

My XP Home is full of bugs. Luckily there are sites like Kelly
Theriot's, Doug Knox's and similar that are full of fixes.

There are some bugs for various settings. For example, if you're
using Classic Start Menu, every once in a while XP forgets your
Customize Notification settings. Arghhhhhhh.............!!

WINDOWS XP SHUTDOWN & RESTART TROUBLESHOOTING
Version 12.14 - January 18, 2004
http://aumha.org/win5/a/shtdwnxp.php

There have been plenty of people on these newsgroups that not
only have made me feel like an idiot. Some have even called me
that or worse. Good thing they haven't seen me typing the last
five minutes or so. <LOL>

Keep having fun!
--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In
Burt said:
Wesley,
Thankyou much for making me NOT feel like an idiot... I dig
quite deep into these computers and consider myself fair to good
with 98 and ME.... This XP is a little new to me.. I have only been
playing around with them a little in the past. There is so much
stuff changed and I must say that I am not really convinced some of
these changes are for the better... This new machine seems to be a
little unstable ie: It sometimes won't remember settings for various
things, I have had some shutdown problems and am trying to just
iron these bugs out one at a time... My old Dell running 98 FE is
as solid as a rock and has been ever since I bought it new in 98.
I guess I got spoiled. I do keep constant maintainance on my
computers and not let stuff go till I have problems..

Thanx again for removing the possibility that I was an idiot..
I know I am not, but... Lacking a bunch of knowledge I would sure
like to have tho.. I have always been a "WHY" and "HOW TO"
type guy...
Burt

Burt;
Contrary to what you may believe, I am not being critical.
And until I understand something, I don't care how *I* look.
:blush:)
That said.
The way I understand it,
Windows lies to us and hides things from us.
It also spies on us.
Index.dat files being a good example.

Some Index.dat files are hidden.
There are seven or eight of these bad boys on XP.
Some are hard to delete because they are a 'system' file
and in use. They can also grow to huge size.

Example of what has been on my XP machine.

C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\LOCALS~1\History\History.IE5\index.dat
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.IE5\index.dat
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\Cookies\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.IE5\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\History\History.IE5\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\Cookies\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\UserData\index.dat

I do not remember where I acquired the following
info, so I can't attribute it to the author(s).
{Sorry to whomever.}
Many sources over a period of time.
============================
[The most important files to be paying attention to are your "index.dat"
files. These are database files that reference your history, cache and
cookies. The first thing you should know is that the index.dat files is that
they don't exist in less you know they do. They second thing you should know
about them is that some will *not* get cleared after deleting your history
and cache.]
------------------------
The Default Structure of the Primary I.E. Folders
Cache Folder:

<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5 [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\index.dat
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random1.. [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random1..\..cache files..
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random8.. [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random8..\..cache files..

Cookie Folder:

<base>\cookies [dir]
<base>\cookies\index.dat
<base>\cookies\..cookie files..

History Folder:

<base>\history\history.ie5 [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\index.dat
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist01.. [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist01..\index.dat
- - - - - - - -
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist0n.. [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist0n..\index.dat

Notes -
[dir] indicates that the line represents a folder (or directory) name.

The folder levels 'content.ie5' and 'history.ie5' were introduced with IE-5.
They are not used in IE-4.

The Index.dat file within the Cache folder is used to contain URL names,
date and time stamps, and pointers to the actual cache files which are
spread among the four to eight cache sub-folders. These sub-folders are
named with randomly-generated 8-character names.

The Index.dat file within the Cookie folder is used to contain URL names,
date and time stamps, and pointers to the actual Cookie files which are
stored within this same folder.

The Index.dat file within the upper level of the History folder is used to
store 'Visited URL' names, date and time stamps. This is the data used by
I.E. for its AutoComplete function and controlling the highlighting of
imbedded links on the displayed Web pages.

There is one 'mshist...' file for each day of history that you have
instructed I.E. to retain. The daily history is stored in the subordinate
Index.dat files.

For the above, <base> illustrates the base portion of the path to the
folder. This varies widely between the various combinations of Operating
Systems and I.E. versions.

For the simplest systems without user profiles, it could be: "C:\WINDOWS"

For a Win-9x system with profiles, it could be:
"C:\WINDOWS\PROFILES\login-name"

For a Win-2000 [and NT/XP] system, it could be: "C:\DOCUMENTS AND
SETTINGS\login-name\LOCAL SETTINGS"
===========================================
Any more questions? I've got lots of info.
I could not delete a couple of Index.dat files for a long time.
So I studied TIF/Index.dat off and on for quite a while.

I should take the time to put all my TIF/Index.dat notes
together in a readable form. Right now they are the *equivalent*
of a shoebox full of napkins, torn scraps of paper and
matchbooks written on with crayon. ;o)
--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In
Burt said:
Wesley,
I did the %TEMP% that you asked and it shows 1 TIF folder with a
subfolder
of IE5 and if you expand that there is nothing in the IE5 folder but the
index.dat file 0 bytes.
There are some other FILES in that search but that is it.
Burt

Burt;
"..why are there TIF folders in all these different places?"

Why is there air?

I don't know why. But I have these:

C:\Documents and Settings\WESLEY P. VOGEL\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temp\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\systemprofile\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
==========
Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK

Click Folders to show the tree in the left hand pane.
Look around for some of the 8.3 named TIFs.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In Burt <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
David,
No, I haven't been dragging and dropping folders. This machine
is new out of the box about a week ago and runs great, but I was
looking around in Explore and here are all these Temporary Internet
File folders everywhere as you see in above posts... I have never seen
it before like this on any computer. What I mean by the Content IE5
under them main location is that some of the TIF folders have Content
IE5 when expanded and with subfolders and others do not have it
and why is there TIF folders in some of the TEMP folders that are
also quite a few places?
I have used your knowledge before over the years on posts that
were made by others and hope maybe you have some insight to
this one.. FYI, I am not exactly a new user.
Thanx for any help on this issue.
Burt


What does this gobbly gook mean

C:\Documents and Settings\Geezer\Local Settings
Content IE5 no and no subfolders.

If you've been dragging and dropping folders anything could have happened.


--
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm

I'll start here: I right clicked a picture in IE6 that I wanted
to save and only selection was bmp and I know it was a jpg so
I went and dumped the TIF files along with cookies as normal and
all offline content...
Under the SETTINGS button I looked and this is what I saw.
Then I noticed that the amount of space alloted
to TIF's was set at 0, so I tried the slider and it slides but won't
do anything, so I manually changed the number from zero to several
different numbers and hit apply and get an error window that says
"You have to select a number between 1 and 10 MB's." Well it doesn't
work. Then I noticed just above that, that it doesn't tell you
the pathway to the TIF files.
On my 98 machine, it says that
the Current Location is: C:\Windows\Temporary Internet Files.

Nowthen, why are there TIF folders in all these different places?
and why no pathway to the one that should take care of Internet
Explorer? Should I hit the MOVE FOLDER button and send it
somewhere? But WHERE? With all these other folders I am a
bit confused as to where TIFs should go..
Below is a list of WHERE all these folders are residing.
* * * *
Temporary Internet Files FOLDERS found in:

C:\Windows\Temp Content IE5 NO

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings
Content IE5 yes, but no subfolders.

C:\Documents and Settings\Default User\Local Settings
Content IE5 yes, but no subfolders

C:\Documents and Settings\Geezer\Local Settings
Content IE5 no and no subfolders.

C:\Documents and Settings\Geezer\My Documents
Content IE5 no and no subfolders

C:\Documents and Settings\Geezer\Local Settings\Temp
Content IE5 yes, no subfolders

C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\CONFIG\systemprofile\Local Settings
Content IE5 yes, 4 subfolders with 3 to 5 or more files in each.

Why?
Sorry for the long post, but couldn't explain it in much less wording.
Thanx for any help as usual.
--
Burt
The Old Alaskan
MVP's listed on TECKPAGE
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog/teckpage.htm
 
J

JAX

Ain't ever met, I think, you one kool Dude.

JAX

Burt
You betcha!

Wes

In
Burt said:
Wesley,
Thanx so much for the encouragement... I have always been a
learner... I had to know how everything worked since I was a kid.
With the knowledge I have aquired over the 65 years, I have
helped a lot of people and most of it for free just like these
groups do..
Anyway, thanx again,
Burt

Burt;
There is no such thing as a dumb question, if you don't
know the answer. :blush:)

I had an Instructor in trade school who had a plaque that
read something like, "It's the EXCEPTIONAL student who
asks questions the Instructor can answer." :D

As far as XP changes go, who knows? If they made it to please
everyone, it'd be the size of my truck.

If you do a little digging, you'll find that Index.dat files are on 98
also and some are hidden there as well.

If you do Google Search for index.dat and wade through all the ads,
there's a lot of info. Keep in mind that you can't boot to DOS with
XP, but you CAN boot in Safe Mode with Command Prompt.
You can delete more than you may want to this way. :blush:)
I know this for a fact. I deleted Documents and Settings twice
before I figured out what I was doing wrong. :-(

My XP Home is full of bugs. Luckily there are sites like Kelly
Theriot's, Doug Knox's and similar that are full of fixes.

There are some bugs for various settings. For example, if you're
using Classic Start Menu, every once in a while XP forgets your
Customize Notification settings. Arghhhhhhh.............!!

WINDOWS XP SHUTDOWN & RESTART TROUBLESHOOTING
Version 12.14 - January 18, 2004
http://aumha.org/win5/a/shtdwnxp.php

There have been plenty of people on these newsgroups that not
only have made me feel like an idiot. Some have even called me
that or worse. Good thing they haven't seen me typing the last
five minutes or so. <LOL>

Keep having fun!
--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In
Burt said:
Wesley,
Thankyou much for making me NOT feel like an idiot... I dig
quite deep into these computers and consider myself fair to good
with 98 and ME.... This XP is a little new to me.. I have only been
playing around with them a little in the past. There is so much
stuff changed and I must say that I am not really convinced some of
these changes are for the better... This new machine seems to be a
little unstable ie: It sometimes won't remember settings for various
things, I have had some shutdown problems and am trying to just
iron these bugs out one at a time... My old Dell running 98 FE is
as solid as a rock and has been ever since I bought it new in 98.
I guess I got spoiled. I do keep constant maintainance on my
computers and not let stuff go till I have problems..

Thanx again for removing the possibility that I was an idiot..
I know I am not, but... Lacking a bunch of knowledge I would sure
like to have tho.. I have always been a "WHY" and "HOW TO"
type guy...
Burt

Burt;
Contrary to what you may believe, I am not being critical.
And until I understand something, I don't care how *I* look.
:blush:)
That said.
The way I understand it,
Windows lies to us and hides things from us.
It also spies on us.
Index.dat files being a good example.

Some Index.dat files are hidden.
There are seven or eight of these bad boys on XP.
Some are hard to delete because they are a 'system' file
and in use. They can also grow to huge size.

Example of what has been on my XP machine.

C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\LOCALS~1\History\History.IE5\index.dat
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.IE5\index.dat
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\Cookies\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.IE5\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\History\History.IE5\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\Cookies\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\UserData\index.dat

I do not remember where I acquired the following
info, so I can't attribute it to the author(s).
{Sorry to whomever.}
Many sources over a period of time.
============================
[The most important files to be paying attention to are your "index.dat"
files. These are database files that reference your history, cache and
cookies. The first thing you should know is that the index.dat files is that
they don't exist in less you know they do. They second thing you should know
about them is that some will *not* get cleared after deleting your history
and cache.]
------------------------
The Default Structure of the Primary I.E. Folders
Cache Folder:

<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5 [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\index.dat
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random1.. [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random1..\..cache files..
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random8.. [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random8..\..cache files..

Cookie Folder:

<base>\cookies [dir]
<base>\cookies\index.dat
<base>\cookies\..cookie files..

History Folder:

<base>\history\history.ie5 [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\index.dat
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist01.. [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist01..\index.dat
- - - - - - - -
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist0n.. [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist0n..\index.dat

Notes -
[dir] indicates that the line represents a folder (or directory) name.

The folder levels 'content.ie5' and 'history.ie5' were introduced with IE-5.
They are not used in IE-4.

The Index.dat file within the Cache folder is used to contain URL names,
date and time stamps, and pointers to the actual cache files which are
spread among the four to eight cache sub-folders. These sub-folders are
named with randomly-generated 8-character names.

The Index.dat file within the Cookie folder is used to contain URL names,
date and time stamps, and pointers to the actual Cookie files which are
stored within this same folder.

The Index.dat file within the upper level of the History folder is used to
store 'Visited URL' names, date and time stamps. This is the data used by
I.E. for its AutoComplete function and controlling the highlighting of
imbedded links on the displayed Web pages.

There is one 'mshist...' file for each day of history that you have
instructed I.E. to retain. The daily history is stored in the subordinate
Index.dat files.

For the above, <base> illustrates the base portion of the path to the
folder. This varies widely between the various combinations of Operating
Systems and I.E. versions.

For the simplest systems without user profiles, it could be: "C:\WINDOWS"

For a Win-9x system with profiles, it could be:
"C:\WINDOWS\PROFILES\login-name"

For a Win-2000 [and NT/XP] system, it could be: "C:\DOCUMENTS AND
SETTINGS\login-name\LOCAL SETTINGS"
===========================================
Any more questions? I've got lots of info.
I could not delete a couple of Index.dat files for a long time.
So I studied TIF/Index.dat off and on for quite a while.

I should take the time to put all my TIF/Index.dat notes
together in a readable form. Right now they are the *equivalent*
of a shoebox full of napkins, torn scraps of paper and
matchbooks written on with crayon. ;o)
--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In
Burt said:
Wesley,
I did the %TEMP% that you asked and it shows 1 TIF folder with a
subfolder
of IE5 and if you expand that there is nothing in the IE5 folder but the
index.dat file 0 bytes.
There are some other FILES in that search but that is it.
Burt

Burt;
"..why are there TIF folders in all these different places?"

Why is there air?

I don't know why. But I have these:

C:\Documents and Settings\WESLEY P. VOGEL\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temp\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\systemprofile\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
==========
Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK

Click Folders to show the tree in the left hand pane.
Look around for some of the 8.3 named TIFs.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In Burt <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
David,
No, I haven't been dragging and dropping folders. This machine
is new out of the box about a week ago and runs great, but I was
looking around in Explore and here are all these Temporary Internet
File folders everywhere as you see in above posts... I have never seen
it before like this on any computer. What I mean by the Content IE5
under them main location is that some of the TIF folders have Content
IE5 when expanded and with subfolders and others do not have it
and why is there TIF folders in some of the TEMP folders that are
also quite a few places?
I have used your knowledge before over the years on posts that
were made by others and hope maybe you have some insight to
this one.. FYI, I am not exactly a new user.
Thanx for any help on this issue.
Burt


What does this gobbly gook mean

C:\Documents and Settings\Geezer\Local Settings
Content IE5 no and no subfolders.

If you've been dragging and dropping folders anything could have happened.


--
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm

I'll start here: I right clicked a picture in IE6 that I wanted
to save and only selection was bmp and I know it was a jpg so
I went and dumped the TIF files along with cookies as normal and
all offline content...
Under the SETTINGS button I looked and this is what I saw.
Then I noticed that the amount of space alloted
to TIF's was set at 0, so I tried the slider and it slides but won't
do anything, so I manually changed the number from zero to several
different numbers and hit apply and get an error window that says
"You have to select a number between 1 and 10 MB's." Well it doesn't
work. Then I noticed just above that, that it doesn't tell you
the pathway to the TIF files.
On my 98 machine, it says that
the Current Location is: C:\Windows\Temporary Internet Files.

Nowthen, why are there TIF folders in all these different places?
and why no pathway to the one that should take care of Internet
Explorer? Should I hit the MOVE FOLDER button and send it
somewhere? But WHERE? With all these other folders I am a
bit confused as to where TIFs should go..
Below is a list of WHERE all these folders are residing.
* * * *
Temporary Internet Files FOLDERS found in:

C:\Windows\Temp Content IE5 NO

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings
Content IE5 yes, but no subfolders.

C:\Documents and Settings\Default User\Local Settings
Content IE5 yes, but no subfolders

C:\Documents and Settings\Geezer\Local Settings
Content IE5 no and no subfolders.

C:\Documents and Settings\Geezer\My Documents
Content IE5 no and no subfolders

C:\Documents and Settings\Geezer\Local Settings\Temp
Content IE5 yes, no subfolders

C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\CONFIG\systemprofile\Local Settings
Content IE5 yes, 4 subfolders with 3 to 5 or more files in each.

Why?
Sorry for the long post, but couldn't explain it in much less wording.
Thanx for any help as usual.
--
Burt
The Old Alaskan
MVP's listed on TECKPAGE
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog/teckpage.htm
 
B

Burt

JAX,
I hope that was pointed at both of us.... <bg>
If you ever get up this way, I will take you for
a glacier flight... Once in a lifetime deal... That
goes for the replies to this thread.. I live in a
wonderland of beauty out in the middle of almost
nowhere..
B

JAX said:
Ain't ever met, I think, you one kool Dude.

JAX

Burt
You betcha!

Wes

In
Burt said:
Wesley,
Thanx so much for the encouragement... I have always been a
learner... I had to know how everything worked since I was a kid.
With the knowledge I have aquired over the 65 years, I have
helped a lot of people and most of it for free just like these
groups do..
Anyway, thanx again,
Burt

Burt;
There is no such thing as a dumb question, if you don't
know the answer. :blush:)

I had an Instructor in trade school who had a plaque that
read something like, "It's the EXCEPTIONAL student who
asks questions the Instructor can answer." :D

As far as XP changes go, who knows? If they made it to please
everyone, it'd be the size of my truck.

If you do a little digging, you'll find that Index.dat files are on 98
also and some are hidden there as well.

If you do Google Search for index.dat and wade through all the ads,
there's a lot of info. Keep in mind that you can't boot to DOS with
XP, but you CAN boot in Safe Mode with Command Prompt.
You can delete more than you may want to this way. :blush:)
I know this for a fact. I deleted Documents and Settings twice
before I figured out what I was doing wrong. :-(

My XP Home is full of bugs. Luckily there are sites like Kelly
Theriot's, Doug Knox's and similar that are full of fixes.

There are some bugs for various settings. For example, if you're
using Classic Start Menu, every once in a while XP forgets your
Customize Notification settings. Arghhhhhhh.............!!

WINDOWS XP SHUTDOWN & RESTART TROUBLESHOOTING
Version 12.14 - January 18, 2004
http://aumha.org/win5/a/shtdwnxp.php

There have been plenty of people on these newsgroups that not
only have made me feel like an idiot. Some have even called me
that or worse. Good thing they haven't seen me typing the last
five minutes or so. <LOL>

Keep having fun!
--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.IE5\index.dat
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SYSTEM~1\Cookies\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.IE5\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\History\History.IE5\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\Cookies\index.dat
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\UserData\index.dat

I do not remember where I acquired the following
info, so I can't attribute it to the author(s).
{Sorry to whomever.}
Many sources over a period of time.
============================
[The most important files to be paying attention to are your "index.dat"
files. These are database files that reference your history, cache and
cookies. The first thing you should know is that the index.dat files
is
should
know
about them is that some will *not* get cleared after deleting your history
and cache.]
------------------------
The Default Structure of the Primary I.E. Folders
Cache Folder:

<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5 [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\index.dat
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random1.. [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random1..\..cache files..
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random8.. [dir]
<base>\temporary internet files\content.ie5\..random8..\..cache files..

Cookie Folder:

<base>\cookies [dir]
<base>\cookies\index.dat
<base>\cookies\..cookie files..

History Folder:

<base>\history\history.ie5 [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\index.dat
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist01.. [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist01..\index.dat
- - - - - - - -
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist0n.. [dir]
<base>\history\history.ie5\mshist0n..\index.dat

Notes -
[dir] indicates that the line represents a folder (or directory) name.

The folder levels 'content.ie5' and 'history.ie5' were introduced with IE-5.
They are not used in IE-4.

The Index.dat file within the Cache folder is used to contain URL names,
date and time stamps, and pointers to the actual cache files which are
spread among the four to eight cache sub-folders. These sub-folders are
named with randomly-generated 8-character names.

The Index.dat file within the Cookie folder is used to contain URL names,
date and time stamps, and pointers to the actual Cookie files which are
stored within this same folder.

The Index.dat file within the upper level of the History folder is
used
to
store 'Visited URL' names, date and time stamps. This is the data used by
I.E. for its AutoComplete function and controlling the highlighting of
imbedded links on the displayed Web pages.

There is one 'mshist...' file for each day of history that you have
instructed I.E. to retain. The daily history is stored in the subordinate
Index.dat files.

For the above, <base> illustrates the base portion of the path to the
folder. This varies widely between the various combinations of Operating
Systems and I.E. versions.

For the simplest systems without user profiles, it could be: "C:\WINDOWS"

For a Win-9x system with profiles, it could be:
"C:\WINDOWS\PROFILES\login-name"

For a Win-2000 [and NT/XP] system, it could be: "C:\DOCUMENTS AND
SETTINGS\login-name\LOCAL SETTINGS"
===========================================
Any more questions? I've got lots of info.
I could not delete a couple of Index.dat files for a long time.
So I studied TIF/Index.dat off and on for quite a while.

I should take the time to put all my TIF/Index.dat notes
together in a readable form. Right now they are the *equivalent*
of a shoebox full of napkins, torn scraps of paper and
matchbooks written on with crayon. ;o)
--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In Burt <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Wesley,
I did the %TEMP% that you asked and it shows 1 TIF folder with a
subfolder
of IE5 and if you expand that there is nothing in the IE5 folder but the
index.dat file 0 bytes.
There are some other FILES in that search but that is it.
Burt

Burt;
"..why are there TIF folders in all these different places?"

Why is there air?

I don't know why. But I have these:

C:\Documents and Settings\WESLEY P. VOGEL\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\Temp\Temporary Internet Files
C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\systemprofile\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
==========
Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK

Click Folders to show the tree in the left hand pane.
Look around for some of the 8.3 named TIFs.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In Burt <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
David,
No, I haven't been dragging and dropping folders. This machine
is new out of the box about a week ago and runs great, but I was
looking around in Explore and here are all these Temporary Internet
File folders everywhere as you see in above posts... I have never seen
it before like this on any computer. What I mean by the Content IE5
under them main location is that some of the TIF folders have Content
IE5 when expanded and with subfolders and others do not have it
and why is there TIF folders in some of the TEMP folders that are
also quite a few places?
I have used your knowledge before over the years on posts that
were made by others and hope maybe you have some insight to
this one.. FYI, I am not exactly a new user.
Thanx for any help on this issue.
Burt


What does this gobbly gook mean

C:\Documents and Settings\Geezer\Local Settings
Content IE5 no and no subfolders.

If you've been dragging and dropping folders anything could have happened.


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http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm

I'll start here: I right clicked a picture in IE6 that I wanted
to save and only selection was bmp and I know it was a jpg so
I went and dumped the TIF files along with cookies as normal and
all offline content...
Under the SETTINGS button I looked and this is what I saw.
Then I noticed that the amount of space alloted
to TIF's was set at 0, so I tried the slider and it slides but won't
do anything, so I manually changed the number from zero to several
different numbers and hit apply and get an error window that says
"You have to select a number between 1 and 10 MB's." Well it doesn't
work. Then I noticed just above that, that it doesn't tell you
the pathway to the TIF files.
On my 98 machine, it says that
the Current Location is: C:\Windows\Temporary Internet Files.

Nowthen, why are there TIF folders in all these different places?
and why no pathway to the one that should take care of Internet
Explorer? Should I hit the MOVE FOLDER button and send it
somewhere? But WHERE? With all these other folders I am a
bit confused as to where TIFs should go..
Below is a list of WHERE all these folders are residing.
* * * *
Temporary Internet Files FOLDERS found in:

C:\Windows\Temp Content IE5 NO

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings
Content IE5 yes, but no subfolders.

C:\Documents and Settings\Default User\Local Settings
Content IE5 yes, but no subfolders

C:\Documents and Settings\Geezer\Local Settings
Content IE5 no and no subfolders.

C:\Documents and Settings\Geezer\My Documents
Content IE5 no and no subfolders

C:\Documents and Settings\Geezer\Local Settings\Temp
Content IE5 yes, no subfolders

C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\CONFIG\systemprofile\Local Settings
Content IE5 yes, 4 subfolders with 3 to 5 or more files in each.

Why?
Sorry for the long post, but couldn't explain it in much less wording.
Thanx for any help as usual.
--
Burt
The Old Alaskan
MVP's listed on TECKPAGE
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog
http://www.cvinternet.net/~smokydog/teckpage.htm
 

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