Thunderbird- final comment

[ms]

Mike, what was the problem with T-Bird? A couple of years ago (or
when it first came out) I tried it and it was ok for a few weeks then
developed problems. I then went back to OE - but the UPdates kept
messing things up to the point I, last week went back to check out
T-Bird. This version is working like a charm here. I can only hope
it continues to do so. I like how this version looks. For NGS it has
a colored line that makes following the different posters' comments
easier to read and keep track of who said what. What OS are you
using? When did you try T-Bird? What were you using before? I've
heard about the others, but I grow weary of having to learn yet
another bunch of point and clicks just to do simple things, only to
have it fowl up shortly thereafter. I'll stay with whichever one
works, and right now that's T-Bird (IE 7 or whatever) was a GIGANTIC
NO-GO here. Best of luck at whichever one you get to work.

Helen

Helen, my Tbird problems have been ocurring over the past few months, It
amounts to multiple copies of a post that appear with no changes in
settings.

It has happened on 2 different machines, 2 different OS's, no-install and
install versions, etc. I sucessfully ran Netscape and Thunderbird over
many years, so I can't account for the consistant garbage of the past 2
months. Tbird finally convinced me to dump it, many others use it OK, as
I used to.

Xnews is not easy, but it does work reliably, no surprises each day. With
bad sleep, I can function in it. All I expect from a newsreader is simple
basic functions and reliability.

BTW, I never used OE, never will. Right now Xnews looks good, Xananews is
a nice one, and I am trying to learn Gravity again, after many years
away.

If Netscape Communicator 4.79 could still handle newsgroups OK, I'd still
be using it.

Mike Sa

 

[Helen]

If Netscape Communicator 4.79 could still handle newsgroups OK, I'd still
be using it.

Mike Sa

Me too, me too! I just haven't had any program trying to phone home for
a long time. I'm using Kerio, WinPatrol and PopUp Stopper (all older
versions that are doing just fine). PopUp Stopper is from Panicware v.
3.1.1010 that is no longer free, but it was when I got it years ago.

Helen

 

[ms]

Xnews is the better client IMO as it has stronger PCRE support. But I
do use both, am using Pan on Mac OS X right now.

I use Pan when I'm on a computer that hasn't got an easy way to run
Xnews and I find I can run Pan on more platforms than I can Xnews.

Setting up GTK on Windows is a no brainer, Mike so don't let that
deter you. GTK is also required by a couple of other *nix ports to
Windows, such as Gimp and Inkscape if you ever use these.

Thanks, Mike.

I will only try Pan if nothing else pans (!) out. I wish it was a simple
standalone executable .I didn't look but an older version is probably not
for windows.

Currently, I continue with Xnews, will try Gravity.

On news.software.readers, they answered one of my Xnews questions. No
answer on my Open Special question. There is something, because some
newsgroups the setting holds, others it isn't kept.

I will have to search the info for how to open a constant number of threads
in all newsgroups.

Mike Sa

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

On news.software.readers, they answered one of my Xnews questions.
No answer on my Open Special question. There is something, because
some newsgroups the setting holds, others it isn't kept.

The part about your question I don't understand is how the top slider
is always at the same place for some groups; it's usually set at the
earliest unread article. Do you have some articles marked as "kept" in
some groups? It's the only thing I can think of which affects the
sliders' positions.

And are you really still re-downloading read headers every time you
open a group instead of using storage for them? Different storage
settings could also affect the sliders, I guess. (I don't use
storage.)

 

[ms]

The part about your question I don't understand is how the top slider
is always at the same place for some groups; it's usually set at the
earliest unread article. Do you have some articles marked as "kept" in
some groups? It's the only thing I can think of which affects the
sliders' positions.

And are you really still re-downloading read headers every time you
open a group instead of using storage for them? Different storage
settings could also affect the sliders, I guess. (I don't use
storage.)

Thanks, Q

I have not touched much of anything, it is still running in default mode.
For instance, in ACF, it always starts with the Start and End sliders at 0
(left end). I have to adjust each time.

In alt.comp.anti-virus, Start and End are at the first settings I did, they
remain there. There are many early posts I never read.

I did nothing in Storage, it still says Use Default (no storage). How to
use storage as you note above?

Where would I look for the "kept" issue?

TIA

Mike Sa

 

[ms]

View, Global Options, Replying, Follow Up/Reply. Make sure that
checkmarks are by "Paste original article into reply" and "Paste
original into followup".
different.

The above option should probably be default.

I just noticed a glitch. When I ran Gravity today, it opened with a
runtime error screen, and couldn't open a file in previous location, and
closed down.

I will try the exeecutable run for the first time in it's final location
to see if that cures the error screens. JVTools is like that.

Mike Sa

 

[John Corliss]

I just noticed a glitch. When I ran Gravity today, it opened with a
runtime error screen, and couldn't open a file in previous location, and
closed down.

I will try the exeecutable run for the first time in it's final location
to see if that cures the error screens. JVTools is like that.

Just out of curiosity Mike, when was the last time you did a format and
total reinstall of everything on your hard drive?

--
Regards from John Corliss
I don't reply to trolls like Andy Mabbett or Doc (who uses sock puppets)
for instance. No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware,
demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited
software, trialware, viruses or warez for me, please.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Thanks, Q

I have not touched much of anything, it is still running in
default mode. For instance, in ACF, it always starts with the
Start and End sliders at 0 (left end). I have to adjust each time.

In alt.comp.anti-virus, Start and End are at the first settings I
did, they remain there. There are many early posts I never read.

If the end one never moves right, you'll never get any newer headers in
a.c.a-v.

I did nothing in Storage, it still says Use Default (no storage).
How to use storage as you note above?

You'd turn header storage on instead of leaving it off, so that you
wouldn't have to use the special dialog to re-download every time you
open a group. There's a button at the bottom of each group so you can
set that group's storage options independently of the others, in case
that helps.

Where would I look for the "kept" issue?

If you had marked articles kept, they'd have blue icons. I don't think
this is the problem, though.

 

[ms]

Just out of curiosity Mike, when was the last time you did a format
and total reinstall of everything on your hard drive?

John:

It's a very new fresh install, 2 months old, rare installs since then,
really pretty clean.

Today no Gravity error screens. So it seems to want to run from the first
position.

This must be normal, but to copy a post:
1. Rightclick, Edit
2. Select All
3 Do it over, Copy

It is a 2-step process, must be normal.

Xnews is the easiest I've seen, rightclick/Copy All works fine, less
steps than Tbird even.

Mike Sa

 

[ms]

If the end one never moves right, you'll never get any newer headers in
a.c.a-v.

Yes, that's why I had to keep moving it each time.

You'd turn header storage on instead of leaving it off, so that you
wouldn't have to use the special dialog to re-download every time you
open a group. There's a button at the bottom of each group so you can
set that group's storage options independently of the others, in case
that helps.

Thanks, that did help. I checked "Store Headers and Articles". This morning
when I loaded ACF, instead of starting in Open Special, I just opened the
ng. It loaded quickly so it must have loaded a limited number of articles.

If you had marked articles kept, they'd have blue icons. I don't think
this is the problem, though.

The only action item I have now is hotlinks.

Firefox is my default browser. In other newsreaders, when I click on a
hotlink, FF opens to that web address.

Xnews isn't doing that. The hotlink highlights, but that's all. I have to
copy the URL to FF.

A setting?

Thanks for your help, Xnews works best for me.

Mike Sa

 

[Lou]

There have now been at least 12 "final comments" <bg>

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

The only action item I have now is hotlinks.

Firefox is my default browser. In other newsreaders, when I click
on a hotlink, FF opens to that web address.

Xnews isn't doing that. The hotlink highlights, but that's all. I
have to copy the URL to FF.

A setting?

Double-click. If you prefer the keyboard, put the cursor in the URL
and use ctrl+enter.

Thanks for your help, Xnews works best for me.

YVW. Sorry it took so long for me to understand what you wanted to do;
you use Xnews very differently than I do. I'm glad it suits you.

 

[ms]

Double-click. If you prefer the keyboard, put the cursor in the URL
and use ctrl+enter.

It does not work. I understand that's the normal way, but it does not
work. I will try the newsreaders ng, but I find basic questions don't
always get an answer.

YVW. Sorry it took so long for me to understand what you wanted to do;
you use Xnews very differently than I do. I'm glad it suits you.

Thanks again. I need to try Free Agent, but I think Xnews will be my
default.

Mike Sa

 

[Mike Dee]

It does not work. I understand that's the normal way, but it does
not work. I will try the newsreaders ng, but I find basic
questions don't always get an answer.

Works for me, Mike.

Here's something you can try tho'...

Select URL then right-click it, choose "Edit URL" from the pop-up menu,
then click OK.

Really should be in the newsreaders group with this though.

 

[ms]

Works for me, Mike.

Here's something you can try tho'...

Select URL then right-click it, choose "Edit URL" from the pop-up menu,
then click OK.

Really should be in the newsreaders group with this though.

Thanks, Mike.
I will try the above, posted already to the newsreaders ng.

Mike Sa

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

It does not work. I understand that's the normal way, but it does
not work. I will try the newsreaders ng, but I find basic
questions don't always get an answer.

Xnews just passes the URL to the operating system. If Windows isn't
passing it along to Firefox, Firefox is probably not registered to
handle the http protocol. You can test this by calling up a run box
(winkey+r) and entering an http url.