story if windows.. now the golden era of MS has ended

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--Win95 was a great improvement..a revolution (although it did borrow ideas
form others)
--Win98 was like 95 but it sorted out all the buts and added some new
technologies
--Win98SE had some minor improvements
--WinMe, was an abomination. They tried to load 1000 gui improvements on a
core that just couldnt handle the
task! Results? It kept crashing....
--Win2000 was another milestone, but the target was not on the masses, thus
it was not so popular as it deserved.
--WinXP was the best OS MS had made, flexible, easy to use, stable, popular
(meaning that you could find drivers)..

END OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF WINDOWS

and now we have vista.... that has big problems:

1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange
monster.....
They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super
fantastic, but you could
tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him
support. Now what
are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be
the most likely reply.
2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path
you are going with your mouse
in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember
and do fast mouse actions.
The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up
having too long of a start menu.
However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com .
Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard?
3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse
color they could choose.
They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid
aero glass, only a way to tint the
colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!!
4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the
absolute minimum of ram,
its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors
(see point5)
5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be
able to use AERO.
Even New very expensive laptops cannot work with aero... and they COULD make
aero work without
having a super GPU, like window blinds does.. and IF they had a better GPU
it would work better. But
noooooo.... MS wants to push all technology so people wills start buying
more hardware. I bet we will see
a Microsoft GPU in no time!

I could go on and on... but lets face it. When I install Vista I will do it
because it will support new technologies,
and because MS will fade out XP slowly using its techniques (vista only
technology).
But when I install it, I will have to tweak it to make it usable. Even if I
do it, other simple users wont be able to.
I support and teach hundreds of people... I know what they will start
asking.. I know their complaints beforehand!

If some of them struggled to use XP, what will they do with vista? Its a
step backward.... an abomination!

And this "change" is because it wants to do something different for
marketing reasons... these changes are stupid, not to
really give the user a better "user experience"
 
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange
monster.....
They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super
fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start
button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell
him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely
reply.
Click to expand...

Everyone knows what an orb is, surely? It's a round glass like thingy - but
even then if you say the "Start orb" or press "Start", people nowadays
generally go straight to the bottom left of the screen - that's where you
normally start off from.
2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path
you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it
HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions.
Click to expand...

I agree - it's a bit of a pain, but you can always go back to the Classic
start menu :o)
The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up
having too long of a start menu.
However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com
. Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard?
3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the
worse color they could choose.
Click to expand...

They have tinted it - by default the "Aero" theme does come as black-ish,
but if you customise your colours to have a blue tint, the maximised window
will appear blue instead.
They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid
aero glass, only a way to tint the
colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!!
Click to expand...

It was dull :-o really very dull! I upgraded to MCE *just* to get the new
theme!
4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the
absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super
high end graphic adaptors (see point5)
Click to expand...

But computers are getting better and better - pretty much all new computers
that people will buy will be able to support Vista in one way or another.
It's rare to have a new computer with less than 40GB hard drive in it, it's
rare to have a new computer with 256MB in, so the next one up is 512MB :o)
5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be
able to use AERO.
Click to expand...

Ahh contrare - on my laptop it works quite well, even though this machine is
half a year old :o)

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Everyone knows what an orb is, surely? It's a round glass like thingy - but
even then if you say the "Start orb" or press "Start", people nowadays
generally go straight to the bottom left of the screen - that's where you
normally start off from.
Click to expand...

no not everyone on the planet that uses windows knows what an ORB is.
"Normally" means that you are telling someone who already knows windows.
What if you are giving support to someone who just got his first PC.

imagine this dialog.

Person A. Press start person B. I cant see start anywhere.
A. Oh do you have vista? B, Yes I just got it with my new computer!
A..Ok press the orb then. B what the heck is an ORB?
A its that shiney round thing in the left bottom corner with an icon of a
flag.. well
it doesnt look like a flag anymore ... YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN
B. Nope..Mr, are you high on something?
I agree - it's a bit of a pain, but you can always go back to the Classic
start menu :o)
Click to expand...

Now that is correct.. But classic is worse than WinXP style menu, and most
new users
will not know how to change it in the first place!
They have tinted it - by default the "Aero" theme does come as black-ish,
but if you customise your colours to have a blue tint, the maximised window
will appear blue instead.
Click to expand...

What will be the color of the taskbar if you apply the tint?
It was dull :-o really very dull! I upgraded to MCE *just* to get the new
theme!
Click to expand...

You didnt have to. The same theme runs on XP without any hack or extra
program installed on XP.
I have that msstyle if you want it.
But computers are getting better and better
Click to expand...

I agree and this is partially because of the sloppy work of MS developers...
so I will not complain too much about this.
Ahh contrare - on my laptop it works quite well, even though this machine
is half a year old :o)
Click to expand...

You are lucky... I know many people whos computers cant handle aero.. I have
3 here and no one can
without me getting new GPUs. And my main PC GPU works great....ati 9000...
Getting a new GPU is fine when you have a desktop.. but for the laptop users
that means they need a new laptop!
 
New OS versions need to be a little like medical doctors. First, do no
harm.

Vista is slow, requires much more memory and disk than anything before, and
has a loss of features as compared to XP.

Perhaps the upcoming builds will change this, but currently I cannot find a
single redeeming feature. That coupled with change for change sake
differences makes a poor excuse for a new Windows.

Again until the final RTM is done we can't be sure, but currently it has a
very very long way to go.

Ed
 
Got a link to back that up? :o)

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Zack Whittaker
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I have a new Toshiba M400 Dual Core 2.16ghz machine with 2G RAM running the
Intel 945GM graphics chipset. I'm running at 1400x1050 and have 128MB RAM for
the GPU.

After installing Vista Beta2 I only see the Basic video support. While it's
nice I was expecting the Glass theme.

What more do I need??

Thanks
Jim Hegerty
(e-mail address removed)
 
I used the "orb" name without even knowing about what LeBlanc had said - it
looked like an orb to me so I just used it :o)

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WDDM drivers - however I don't think you can get drivers for your machine...
check with the manufacturers though, they might have something for Beta 2
:o)

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If Vista Was "Web Based", That Feature; "the Glass theme", Would Be
Available, INSTANTLY! ...U Wouldn't Have To Do ANYTHING!!!

You Wouldn't Even Notice The Fact That, Vista Was a "Web Based" OS, ...& NOT
on Your PC!

It Would Jus'Work!

;-)
 
Perhaps the Golden Age of Windows really ended when we all became dependent
on the internet. That has changed my computing experience far more than any
change of operating systems ever can.
 
An operating system can't be web based... don't you understand that?

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of course it can be web based... all you need is a rom to load the data from
a connection.
You will boot from the web.
As things are evolving the interent will have speeds of our current hard
drives.
 
While speeds are increasing, it will be quite some time before any
significant percentage of users will have anything close to this.

Ed
 
Course it is - a lot of work went into it in the R2 release - God love
Remote Desktop :-o

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