story if windows.. now the golden era of MS has ended

[John Jay Smith]

This might be a suprise to you but,

we could have had such speeds, wirless and free with technology that was
developed by Tesla 100 years ago.

 

[Ed Dixon]

What could be and what is rarely match. We could have a balanced budget and
chicken in every pot, but reality sets in.

Many folks still have to live with dial up. DSL and cable service is
getting more common, but comm rates still vary all over the map. It will be
many years before any sizeable percentage of the population have a T1 or
better dependable connection. Anything approaching hard drive rates will be
many many more years away.

Ed

 

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

heh, you a few minutes were saying there a OS can't be web based.
--
--
Andre
Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

 

[Zack Whittaker]

I'm sure it can't. Surely you'd need an operating system to host the
Internet as well as a web browser to actually get a Web OS up and running
first though?

--
Zack Whittaker
» ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
» MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
» Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
» This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not
of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
that up!

--: Original message follows :--

 

[Ed Dixon]

There is nothing technically missing to have a web hosted OS, although it
would be slow. The way most all remote OS hosted systems work is to have
the basics installed on the terminal end, and all else loads from the remote
end. The initial X-Terminals for Unix Systems were made like this, as well
as all the IBM 3270 displays ever produced.

The question is why? Most remote hosted systems do that for hardware
simplicity at the terminal end. With new PCs in the $300 range, cost
advantage is dropping fast. Then there are licensing concerns, as well as
reliability. If the web is down, so are you.

What we have today are locally hosted OS systems with auto update, via MS
Update, from the web. that's not a bad compromise.

Ed

 

[Guest]

[FUDisspelling This Myth]

Ed!

The Windows Live DeskTop User Experience WILL BE No Different Than The
Current User Experience, That a User Experiences w/ANY of The CURRENT OnLine
Services!!!

NO DIFFERENT!!!

Geez!

..Com'On Pardner!

:-(

 

[Guest]

WRONG...

There is nothing technically missing to have a web hosted OS, although it
would be slow. The way most all remote OS hosted systems work is to have
the basics installed on the terminal end, and all else loads from the remote
end. The initial X-Terminals for Unix Systems were made like this, as well
as all the IBM 3270 displays ever produced.

The question is why? Most remote hosted systems do that for hardware
simplicity at the terminal end. With new PCs in the $300 range, cost
advantage is dropping fast. Then there are licensing concerns, as well as
reliability. If the web is down, so are you.

What we have today are locally hosted OS systems with auto update, via MS
Update, from the web. that's not a bad compromise.

Ed

 

[Ed Dixon]

RIGHT!

--
Thanks... Ed Dixon

WRONG...

 

[John Jay Smith]

but reality sets in.

You have no idea what real reality is, and what you think, is not it.

I said "hard drive speeds" to not shock you with real reality, that is
instantaneous transfer of limitless information. Yes instantaneous means
faster than the speed of light.

 

[Ed Dixon]

A number of observations:

1. I deal with "real reality" every day with customers. Believe I have a
pretty good handle on that one.

2. The speed of light is not a transfer rate, but a measure of velocity in
feet/second. Information transfer rates are usually measures in bytes per
second. Comparing one to the other is an apples and oranges thing.

3. Current transfer rates of DSL is typically around 500,000 bits per
second. Notice the bits verses bytes per second qualifier. Current
transfer rates for hard drives is 50 MB/second. So existing common
broadband connections transfer data at about 60,000 bytes per second, where
hard drives transfer data at 50,000,000 bytes per second. That makes one
roughly 1000 times faster than the other. Cable modem service is faster,
but so are many hard drives. It's going to be a while before online
transfer rate make that adjustment of 1000 times faster...

Ed

 

[Guest]

Ed! Pardner!

U R NOT Transfering Nuthin'...

U R Simply "Viewing" Via a "Viewer" Like IE7!!!

U R Intertwining 2 Separate Concepts!

The Hard Drive Rate Is AT THE SERVER LEVEL!!! ...NOT Affected By The Via
Windows Live DeskTop "Viewer" e.g. IE7!

..Com'On!!!

:-(

 

[Guest]

If You Want 2 Confuse The 2, Go Ahead...

RIGHT!

 

[Ed Dixon]

Sorry, incorrect.

1. Viewing anything on the screen involves transfer of information. That
includes IE. Every view of a web page involves transfer of data.

2. The two concepts are tied together in a fairly basic manner

3. Hard drive rates are at the hard drive level and handle any transfer of
information. Again that includes viewed web pages.

Ed

 

[Ed Dixon]

If you want to discuss the issue, offer some argument rather just shouting
your opinion with no supporting information.

Ed

 

[Guest]

But, The "Operations" ARE PERFORMED On The Server Side At The Speeds U
Indicate!

 

[Guest]

Ed!

Maybe, This Will Be Helpful...

"The term 'thin client' also refers to applications, particularly on the
world wide web, in which the server performs all processing, and the user
interacts only with a HTML representation of the program via a web browser."
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_computer

A "Viewer"!!!

These "Web Services" Are Currently In Use Today & VERY Popular!!!

I Think U R "Confused"?

???

 

[Guest]

"...no supporting information..." U Have Got 2 B Kidding!

Go Back & ReRead ALL The Threads Related To The Discussion of The Windows
Live DeskTop!!! ...It's There!!!

:-(

 

[Ed Dixon]

Already familiar with thin clients. The issue being discussed here is web
based OS, which is not going to happen any time soon.

IE is already a thin client in the sense it allows viewing of data from
external sources and the ability to interact with those systems. Many
commercial programs do this in many different forms.

Not confused at all. Your original comments references Vista being Web
based. However Vista is an OS, not just a thin client viewer.

Ed

 

[Guest]

Ed! Pardner!

"Your original comments references Vista being Web
based."

I Believe U R Operating Under a Mistaken Notion of What This Means; How 1
Would Interact w/a Web Based OS (Vista) & How That, Interaction Would Be
Viewed By The User!

 

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Not really, if you have a UEFI BIOS, you are good to go.
--
--
Andre
Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta