Stop Steve, the advertising machine

[StopThisAdvertising]

Hi there,
We all know Steve Santos. He *really* is an advertising and job-hunting machine.

A lot of us have asked him *many* times and in different ways to stop his blatant advertising.
This has been repeated for years and years now. Result: Unfortunately nada.
He just doesn't give a shit. He is only very offensive in his answers to these requests.
Also he has been 'kill-filed' by many of us. Result: Nada.

He did not get enough answers anymore, so he went hiding his identity.
He asked questions as Ron, Tom, Rachel, Kathy, Katherine, Marie, Kristine, Heather and ????
Steve has *clearly* been trolling with his questions.
Nobody can stop him from doing this. A troll like he is, can change his/hers identity over and over.

It's obvious that he is *very* determined and willing to keep on advertising.
Maybe he thinks he has the 'right' to do so because he is a 'major player' in this and other newsgroups ?
But, I think maybe he can be forced to stop the advertising-shit.
No need for arguing, shouting or flaming (this has been done and won't help).
I have a little and simple plan for this. It might work . . .

Since a couple of weeks now I am sort of 'chasing' his advertisings as some of you may have noticed.
Result: Steve is *a little* annoyed.
While he accuses me of acting like I am GOD ??? , he now wishes me 'snake-hell' ????
(If you are interested: see last thread: 'MDE file shareware?')
Well I am not pretending to be any God at all. I am also not a 'major player' in this ng, like Steve thinks he is ...
I *just* want PC DataShit to stop his advertising-shit, that's *all* I am after.

Arno R

 

[dkintheuk]

With you 100% buddy.

 

[PC Datasheet]

Ignore this imbecile! Just like he says, he is not a major player in the
newsgroups; he's just a little low-life pretending to be God trying to make
himself look like a big person. All you need do is look at the language he
uses to obviously see this. Ignore him and eventually he will slither away
on his belly like any snake does.

Steve
PC Datasheet



Hi there,
We all know Steve Santos. He *really* is an advertising and job-hunting
machine.

A lot of us have asked him *many* times and in different ways to stop his
blatant advertising.
This has been repeated for years and years now. Result: Unfortunately nada.
He just doesn't give a shit. He is only very offensive in his answers to
these requests.
Also he has been 'kill-filed' by many of us. Result: Nada.

He did not get enough answers anymore, so he went hiding his identity.
He asked questions as Ron, Tom, Rachel, Kathy, Katherine, Marie, Kristine,
Heather and ????
Steve has *clearly* been trolling with his questions.
Nobody can stop him from doing this. A troll like he is, can change his/hers
identity over and over.

It's obvious that he is *very* determined and willing to keep on
advertising.
Maybe he thinks he has the 'right' to do so because he is a 'major player'
in this and other newsgroups ?
But, I think maybe he can be forced to stop the advertising-shit.
No need for arguing, shouting or flaming (this has been done and won't
help).
I have a little and simple plan for this. It might work . . .

Since a couple of weeks now I am sort of 'chasing' his advertisings as some
of you may have noticed.
Result: Steve is *a little* annoyed.
While he accuses me of acting like I am GOD ??? , he now wishes me
'snake-hell' ????
(If you are interested: see last thread: 'MDE file shareware?')
Well I am not pretending to be any God at all. I am also not a 'major
player' in this ng, like Steve thinks he is ...
I *just* want PC DataShit to stop his advertising-shit, that's *all* I am
after.

Arno R

 

[Tim Marshall]

newsgroups; he's just a little low-life pretending to be God trying to make
himself look like a big person. All you need do is look at the language he
uses to obviously see this.

Well, to be fair to you, you have offered me good help in the past on
cdma, but I have to say your sock puppets with the same pc datasheet sig
were a bit of an eyebrow raiser! 8) And it _was_ a regular big gun on
cdma who pointed out the repackaging of usenet posts for sale on cdma.
I personally don't mind the sig file stuff: some folks attack that with
other posters, but IMO it's legitimate and fine. I dunno about stuff on
other groups, but we all do bone headed things from time to time...

 

[Douglas J. Steele]

Steve: Admit it, he's right. You do advertise blatantly, and you make bogus
posts under pseudonyms.

 

[Ed]

"Email me and I can help you" with no mention of "this is my business and
I'll charge you" is a blatant troll for business in a newsgroup where your
posts are usually to contain information that is free and useful (alright -
I probably don't have any useful information as yet - but I'm working on
it!).

If this is your business and you want to share free and useful information
(as you have done several times), then join the many others who are in the
same boat, and put links to their businesses in their sigs. There's one of
the "major players" in another NG whose sig points out "email replies
require payment". Personally, I don't think that should be a big deal.

I think the major issue here is what you *seem* to be communicating in a
post saying nothing more than "Email me and I can help you". If you are
offering free email one-on-one tutoring to that person, say so, and all
confusion is cleared up. If you will do nothing for free but are offering
that person a great deal on low-priced help, then say so - but you may want
to do that somewhere else!

Ed

 

[StopThisAdvertising]

Tim,
check out:
http://groups.google.nl/groups?as_q=contact&as_uauthors=PC Datasheet &as_scoring=d&lr=&hl=nl

This is just blatant advertising, over and over again, more than 60 times this year only !
"If you need help ...., contact me....."


This is NOT about the sig ! I don't mind the sig. The sig is allright !
In fact I even think it's a good and clever one.

Arno R

 

[PC Datasheet]

Doug,

Let me preface my response here to say that I have a high respect for you
and one reason is that you always take the high road like you did here when
you respond.

ARNO is not right. He is just a little low-life pretending to be God trying
to make himself look like a big person. All you need do is look at the
language he uses to obviously see this. Look at the similarities between him
and XMVP.

Microsoft's Rules Of Conduct state, " We ask that you refrain from posting
advertisements or solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended
use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat." Note that it does not forbid
advertisements and solicitations! The key to what this says is to understand
the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup. There is no where that
directly states what the intended use is but the following statement is
found in Getting Started With The Web Based Newsreader, "The Web-based
Newsreader allows you to enter into discussion groups where people who are
passionate about Microsoft technologies share their thoughts, help, support,
and ideas." I expect that you would not question that I frequently share my
thoughts, support and ideas. Tim Marshall states that I have helped him in
the past. Yes I make a mistake from time to time and you catch them. And I
am sure you will confirm that I have never claimed to be a MVP. So there is
one other phrase found in Getting Started With The Web Based Newsreader,
"share their help"(sic). "Contact me if you would like my help" is an offer
of an option to the poster which he may freely accept or reject to solve his
problem at hand. I think that if you go back and review all the posts where
I have offered my help, you will find that I have never made the offer where
a simple newsgroup paragraph would have completely solved the poster's
problem. For example, Nick J posted the subject MDE File Shareware. He
wanted to know how a time limited version of his database could be created.
Can you answer this and provide him a detailed description (and code) of how
to do it in a simple newsgroup paragraph? I think not with all due respect
to you. So I offered Nick the option to contact me if he wanted me to set it
up for him. Not too long ago, a poster wanted to know how to create an order
entry database. I made the offer to him, he contacted me, I gave him a
simple database for $200 and he was very grateful. I have numerous
experiences like this.

Microsoft's Rules Of Conduct state, " We ask that you refrain from posting
advertisements or solicitations....." Microsoft distinguishes between
advertisements and solicitations. "Contact me if you would like my help" is
not an advertisement. The only advertisement I do on the newsgroups is in my
signature line and that is no different, with all due respect, than putting
"Microsoft Access MVP" after your name. Advertising is frequently seen in
the newsgroups! Any time you see a referral to a website, that is indirect
advertising because it is in most cases a referral to the website of someone
in business to develop Access database applications. Anytime you see a
reference to a third party product, that is direct advertising and no matter
what the responder says, he is endorsing that product. For the purposes of
the discussion here, I am not raising an objection of either of these
advertisements because I see them as another means of responders sharing
help pertaining directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup.
"Contact me if you would like my help" is obviously a solicitation and this
solicitation is never made unless it is directly intended to share my help
with a poster.

Now you say that I "advertise blatantly". Blantantly is a little harsh don't
you think? Blantantly has the connotation of being boisterous or obtrusive.
XMVP was blatant. And as pointed out above, "Contact me if you would like my
help" is not advertising. Yes, you see "Contact me if you would like my
help" from time to time but if you determine the percentage of times you see
this to the times I respond to posters otherwise, it is a small percentage.
Finally, on this subject, I have kept my offer to help posters to eight
simple words.

What makes my posts "bogus" if I post under a pseudonym? All these posts
have been legitimate questions and when answered, the entire newsgroup
community benefited from the answers. There was nothing bogus about it!
William Shakespear was not his real name, was everything he wrote bogus?
Pope Paul II was not his real name, was everything he said, wrote and did
bogus? Apparently not, nearly three million people turned out for his
funeral!

Doug, I hope that I have not offended you here because I have no intent to
do that. I do have high respect for you and because of that felt my response
to this thread was best placed as a response to you.

Steve
PC Datasheet

 

[Guest]

The original post by StopThisAdvertising would have been better without the
explitives, but name-calling in return does nothing to elevate you or promote
your position. The fact is that you often use your posts to solicit
business. I have asked several times why you do not post some samples on
your web site, and leave the user to discover consulting services once there,
but you do not answer. Nobody objects to a web site link in your signature
line, or to your pointing people to examples on your web site. Several
others here do exactly that with no complaints.

 

[Douglas J. Steele]

Yes, you see "Contact me if you would like my
help" from time to time but if you determine the percentage of times you
see
this to the times I respond to posters otherwise, it is a small
percentage.

But when your message is "contact me if you would like my help", there's no
mention that your help would not be free.

What makes my posts "bogus" if I post under a pseudonym? All these posts
have been legitimate questions and when answered, the entire newsgroup
community benefited from the answers. There was nothing bogus about it!

If your intent is to provide an FAQ, do so. I don't have evidence, but I'm
sure I've often seen your self-posted questions answered not only with some
advice, but also the suggestion "contact me if you would like my help"

You must realize that even if you aren't violating the wording of the
Microsoft Rules of Conduct, you are violating the spirit. And in my opinion,
you're definitely violating the charter for comp.database.ms-access, as
reproduced at http://www.mvps.org/access/netiquette.htm

 

[Duane Hookom]

I agree 100% with Doug. I happen to know there are many MVPs who attempt to
make their living from consulting. They are generally not a busy or billing
out the hours that they would like. Yet, I have not seen any of these MVPs
(or other prolific posters) attempting to pull in contract work like Steve.
The quality of their replies and their experience and knowledge is above
Steve's and yet they respect the spirit of the news groups.

I have seen some signatures that suggest something like "Reply to me here
for free advice or email me privately along with payment information". I
believe the intention of these is to deter private emails and keep
"consultations" in the News Groups for all to share freely.

 

[Arno R]

ARNO is not right. He is just a little low-life pretending to be God trying
to make himself look like a big person. All you need do is look at the
language he uses to obviously see this. Look at the similarities between him
and XMVP.

<snip very long non-issue-bullshit-defending story of Steve>

It is true that XMVP attacked you on your advertising. A LOT of others here did also ...
You just don't give a shit ...
But I am sorry for you Steve, but there is NO other similarity between me and XMVP.
Look at yourself:
If you compare trolling well, .... you win. You have been hiding your identity a LOT.
My language is also very 'neat' compared to yours.
If one looks at my language and yours, I am sure that YOU compare with XMVP's language and not me.

BTW: I have been away from this ng a long time just because of our local troll.

I am not God, nor pretending to be so.
I am not a snake.
I *just* hate your blatant advertising, and I am very determined to 'annoy' you as long as you continue.
(I am NOT talking about your sig here as I stated before. Your sig is fine with me. )
But you obviously think YOU are some kind of a 'major contributing God ??' and you have a 'right' to job-hunt here.

Of course it is true that you also offer help in these newsgroups. But that is NOT the issue here !
The issue is that you, and only you, are the 'major advertising job-hunting machine' here.
You are lurking and waiting for questions where you think you can jump in with:
"if you need help ... contact me".

Who acts like he is a 'God' ??
Who is a 'snake'??'

Arno R

 

[Larry Linson]

Hi there,
We all know Steve Santos. He *really* is an advertising and job-hunting
machine.

A lot of us have asked him *many* times and in different ways to stop his
blatant advertising.
This has been repeated for years and years now. Result: Unfortunately nada.
He just doesn't give a shit. He is only very offensive in his answers to
these requests.
Also he has been 'kill-filed' by many of us. Result: Nada.

He did not get enough answers anymore, so he went hiding his identity.
He asked questions as Ron, Tom, Rachel, Kathy, Katherine, Marie, Kristine,
Heather and ????
Steve has *clearly* been trolling with his questions.
Nobody can stop him from doing this. A troll like he is, can change his/hers
identity over and over.

It's obvious that he is *very* determined and willing to keep on
advertising.
Maybe he thinks he has the 'right' to do so because he is a 'major player'
in this and other newsgroups ?
But, I think maybe he can be forced to stop the advertising-shit.
No need for arguing, shouting or flaming (this has been done and won't
help).
I have a little and simple plan for this. It might work . . .

Since a couple of weeks now I am sort of 'chasing' his advertisings as some
of you may have noticed.
Result: Steve is *a little* annoyed.
While he accuses me of acting like I am GOD ??? , he now wishes me
'snake-hell' ????
(If you are interested: see last thread: 'MDE file shareware?')
Well I am not pretending to be any God at all. I am also not a 'major
player' in this ng, like Steve thinks he is ...
I *just* want PC DataShit to stop his advertising-shit, that's *all* I am
after.

Arno R


As a founding member of this newsgroup I can tell you that advertising has
always been welcomed here. This is especially true for our MVPs who deserve
to run ads for all the good work they do. The only rule for advertising in
this newsgroup is to make sure that you put all your ads in your signature
line. If you just post URLs that seem to answer a question but actually
lead to an advertisement, that's OK too.

 

[PC Datasheet]

Doug,

With all due respect, I will take one poke at you.


<< I don't have evidence, ....>>
Don't lower yourself to the level of Arno! You are far more better than him.

<<but I'm sure I've often seen your self-posted questions answered not only
with some advice, but also the suggestion "contact me if you would like my
help">>
If you don't have evidence, then why do you make such a statement? Your
statement is totally false. I have NEVER included "contact me if you would
like my help" anywhere I posted a question under a pseudonym.

You must realize that even if you aren't violating the wording of the
Microsoft Rules of Conduct, you are violating the spirit. And in my opinion,
you're definitely violating the charter for comp.database.ms-access, as
reproduced at http://www.mvps.org/access/netiquette.htm

This is a direct quote from http://www.mvps.org/access/netiquette.htm:
"The purpose of the group will be to provide technical help to people who
use Access to create simple databases as well as to people who use VBA to
create complex databases."

It can't be any clearer than that! And I don't abuse it. When all it takes
is a simple newsgroup paragraph to help a poster, I always do that freely.
When it takes more than a simple newsgroup paragraph, I offer the poster the
option to consider hiring me. I don't gouge my customers, my fees are very
reasonable, for example, as I previously mentioned I gave that customer a
simple order entry database for $200. I have helped numerous customers who
have been very grateful. Would you like that that help be discontinued for
them?

Steve
PC Datasheet

 

[XMVP]

ARNO is not right. He is just a little low-life pretending to be God
trying
to make himself look like a big person. All you need do is look at the
language he uses to obviously see this. Look at the similarities between
him
and XMVP.

<snip very long non-issue-bullshit-defending story of Steve>

It is true that XMVP attacked you on your advertising. A LOT of others here
did also ...
You just don't give a shit ...
But I am sorry for you Steve, but there is NO other similarity between me
and XMVP.
Look at yourself:
If you compare trolling well, .... you win. You have been hiding your
identity a LOT.
My language is also very 'neat' compared to yours.
If one looks at my language and yours, I am sure that YOU compare with
XMVP's language and not me.

BTW: I have been away from this ng a long time just because of our local
troll.

I am not God, nor pretending to be so.
I am not a snake.
I *just* hate your blatant advertising, and I am very determined to 'annoy'
you as long as you continue.
(I am NOT talking about your sig here as I stated before. Your sig is fine
with me. )
But you obviously think YOU are some kind of a 'major contributing God ??'
and you have a 'right' to job-hunt here.

Of course it is true that you also offer help in these newsgroups. But that
is NOT the issue here !
The issue is that you, and only you, are the 'major advertising job-hunting
machine' here.
You are lurking and waiting for questions where you think you can jump in
with:
"if you need help ... contact me".

Who acts like he is a 'God' ??
Who is a 'snake'??'

Arno R


So THAT'S what I get for sharing my Access Morons Mailing List with you?

 

[John Marshall, MVP]

As a founding member of this newsgroup I can tell you that advertising has
always been welcomed here. This is especially true for our MVPs who
deserve to run ads for all the good work they do. The only rule for
advertising in this newsgroup is to make sure that you put all your ads in
your signature line. If you just post URLs that seem to answer a question
but actually lead to an advertisement, that's OK too.

Arno was a bit over the top, but the complaint was not about advertising in
the sig line, but PCDs "call me" posts to questions without indicating that
his help was not being offered for free.

John...

 

[PC Datasheet]

You can judge a snake by its colors or in your case your lack of
intelligence shows in the language you use. Little worms always try to make
themselves look like a big person by sprinkling their language with the
**shit** word.

Steve
PC Datasheet

ARNO is not right. He is just a little low-life pretending to be God trying
to make himself look like a big person. All you need do is look at the
language he uses to obviously see this. Look at the similarities between him
and XMVP.

<snip very long non-issue-bullshit-defending story of Steve>

It is true that XMVP attacked you on your advertising. A LOT of others here
did also ...
You just don't give a shit ...
But I am sorry for you Steve, but there is NO other similarity between me
and XMVP.
Look at yourself:
If you compare trolling well, .... you win. You have been hiding your
identity a LOT.
My language is also very 'neat' compared to yours.
If one looks at my language and yours, I am sure that YOU compare with
XMVP's language and not me.

BTW: I have been away from this ng a long time just because of our local
troll.

I am not God, nor pretending to be so.
I am not a snake.
I *just* hate your blatant advertising, and I am very determined to 'annoy'
you as long as you continue.
(I am NOT talking about your sig here as I stated before. Your sig is fine
with me. )
But you obviously think YOU are some kind of a 'major contributing God ??'
and you have a 'right' to job-hunt here.

Of course it is true that you also offer help in these newsgroups. But that
is NOT the issue here !
The issue is that you, and only you, are the 'major advertising job-hunting
machine' here.
You are lurking and waiting for questions where you think you can jump in
with:
"if you need help ... contact me".

Who acts like he is a 'God' ??
Who is a 'snake'??'

Arno R

 

[PC Datasheet]

If Arno is at the top of your list, you have some redeeming value and you
may pass Go and collect $200. If he is not, then apparently you do not know
who that young boy was that came into the room with a low hung towel around
his waist and proceeded to .....

Steve
PC Datasheet

 

[PC Datasheet]

I have never had a responder to "Contact me if you would like my help"
expect that I was offering free help. I get "what would be your fee to ...".
The responders are apparently smart enough to put two and two together when
they see my signature line say "Your Resource For Help With Access ....." If
you want I will start saying "Contact me if you want my help. My fees are
very reasonable." Up until now that has always been obvious to all who
contacted me and I have avoided that to not be obtrusive.

Steve
PC Datasheet

 

[Stephen Lebans]

Someone is impersonating Larry Linson again and we all know who it is.
Such an act of cowardice is what you would expect from a Troll.

--

Stephen Lebans
http://www.lebans.com
Access Code, Tips and Tricks
Please respond only to the newsgroups so everyone can benefit.