Still Awaiting Assistance

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Slippery_one

Talk a little slower for us tech type people. Please forgive the fact
that most of us are merely white collar workers (Well my "P.U.S.A."
t-shirt actually has a blue collar). I don't know about the rest of
them here, but I have to rely on my spell and grammer :) checker to
communicate at all.

Especially those of us who have been doing this for about 15 years or
so and have never called microsoft tech support - ever! for any
reason. You have to talk down to our level or we fail to grock you!
Okay¿ LOL
 
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Slippery_one

If you don't have one, get a router and don't use connection sharing
if you are. That means patch cables, NIC cards and perferably a
Linksys router. Linksys is a very reliable way to go, especially for
support.
Go into network connections in the control panel and remove the local
area connection, make a new one on both computers. Use the wizard
again. Do yourself a favor and turn off file sharing until you have:
A) a software firewall and antivirus, B) better working knowledge of
computers and networking. That means you will need to crack open some
info and learn. Linksys.com is a good place to start.

I use ZoneAlarm Intenrnet security suite. One of the best software
firewalls and decent (if slightly slow full virus scanning) antivirus
capabilities.

IMO DO NOT USE NORTON PRODUCTS! Linksys has excellent support when
using their products. I have used both phone and realtime chat and
both are GREAT! I do not like Nortons support in any way shape or form
because it is mostly non-existant! Emailing them is futile, no phone
number to call. Pc Cillin has phone support and works quite well for a
set and forget security suite.
 
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Compu-Pikachu

Slippery_one said:
If you don't have one, get a router and don't use connection sharing if
you are.

The currency expenditure would be unacceptable. They probably even cost at
least a hundred dollars.
That means patch cables, NIC cards and perferably a Linksys router.
Linksys is a very reliable way to go, especially for support.

I would hate to have to replace hardware for computers that were only
purchased approximately nine months ago.
Go into network connections in the control panel and remove the local area
connection, make a new one on both computers. Use the wizard again. Do
yourself a favor and turn off file sharing until you have: A) a software
firewall and antivirus,

The computers already possess these.

B) better working knowledge of
computers and networking.

Why would this be necessary? The network is merely used for chatting, file
sharing, and Netplay.
I use ZoneAlarm Intenrnet security suite. One of the best software
firewalls and decent (if slightly slow full virus scanning) antivirus
capabilities.

Are you referring to the free version? It has been described as "crippled."
I am unwilling to purchase anything more.
Emailing them [Symantec] is futile . . .

Why?
 
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Compu-Pikachu

Slippery_one said:
Talk a little slower for us tech type people.

Are you referring to using lesser-caliber vocabulary? I refuse. Besides,
dictionaries exist for a reason.
Please forgive the fact that most of us are merely white collar workers
(Well my "P.U.S.A." t-shirt actually has a blue collar).

How would this employment affect vocabulary?

What is "PUSA"'s acronymic representation?

"White-collar" requires hyphenation.

I don't know about the rest of
them here, but I have to rely on my spell and grammer :) checker to
communicate at all.

"Grammar" was misspelled.
Especially those of us who have been doing this for about 15 years or so
and have never called microsoft tech support - ever! for any reason. You
have to talk down to our level or we fail to grock you!

What is "grock"'s definition?
Okay¿ LOL

What is humorous: something pertaining to "grock"?
 
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Compu-Pikachu

Kerry Brown said:
At first I thought you had a problem using English as a second language.
Now you are just being rude.

Huh? Why would it be believed that I am being disrespectful? This is
probably one of those cases where the behavior of an individual with
Asperger's syndrome/high-functioning autism has been misinterpreted as being
ill-intentioned.
People are trying to help you.

I was aware of that and appreciate it.

That is preposterous.
 
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Tom Pepper Willett

Condescending is probably more descriptive.

Tom

message | | > At first I thought you had a problem using English as a second language.
| > Now you are just being rude.
|
| Huh? Why would it be believed that I am being disrespectful? This is
| probably one of those cases where the behavior of an individual with
| Asperger's syndrome/high-functioning autism has been misinterpreted as
being
| ill-intentioned.
|
| > People are trying to help you.
|
| I was aware of that and appreciate it.
|
| > Troll?
|
| That is preposterous.
|
|
 
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Slippery_one

Compu-Pikachu said:
Are you referring to using lesser-caliber vocabulary? I refuse.
Besides, dictionaries exist for a reason.

Indeed they do Dr. Smith.
http://www.presidentsrock.com/


How would this employment affect vocabulary?

What is "PUSA"'s acronymic representation?

"White-collar" requires hyphenation.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?stuffed+shirt

I don't know about the rest of

"Grammar" was misspelled.
REaLly?


What is "grock"'s definition?

http://www.grok.com/

Dr. Smith
http://www.computercrowsnest.com/sfnews2/02_april/news0402_8.shtml

What is humorous:
U
 
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Rodney

I have edited the portions of the post that were not part of this
response and that were not necessary to it's understanding. In case you
are not aware, that is common practise and appropriate in lengthy posts
and threads.
Do I appear to be an individual who would have failed to realize something
that common sense and rudimentary logic would have dictated? Do my
Asperger's syndrome/high-functioning autism and vocabulary fail to evidence
my high intelligence to you?

I cannot make reasonable assumptions about your common sense or logic
other than you are here in the newsgroup asking questions because you
were not able to figure out the solution to the problem on your own. I
do know that considerable information exists on the Internet regarding
home networks but if I make assumptions about you based on that they may
not be appropriate or correct.

Not all people with AS possess a high IQ, some are only in the normal
range, although they may function with high vocabulary skills in either
case. Therefore, I could not make reasonable assumptions about you
personally at this point.

In fact, I possess a Borg/computer/Vulcan-like mentality.

I grok that (reference from the Martian language in "Stranger in a
Strange Land - roughly translated as understand). In fact, I have
experienced "bots" (you'll figure that one out if you don't already
know) that could respond to newsgroup posts in a manner very similar to
yours. In my opinion, your attention to detail and clear responses are
refreshing in posts for help and, ultimately, likely to elicit the
desired solution.

Please exercise caution to avoid patronizing me, if necessary, using phrases
such as "in case you are unaware."

No, I (and others) post as they see fit. It is up to you to deal with
the emotional issue of whether or not you feel patronized. Newsgroups
are a microcosm of the World and, as such, include people in a spectrum
from nice and respectful to those who are just plain rude or short
tempered. In theory, (I say that because I can't really know your
motivation) you are here because you need help with an problem, you will
find that help more easily if you ignore any ego issues that come from
other posters or any that might be your own. Many of the experts here
spend a lot of their volunteer time helping others and don't, or in some
cases aren't able to, structure their answers in a form that you find
acceptable. You are in control of taking the advice you need from the
technical stuff (wheat from the chaff).

What is "HTH"'s acronymic representation: "Horatio T. Hornblower"?

In this case it is an abbreviation for Hope This Helps. It's a fairly
common one used on newsgroups following a response to a technical
question. Could be use sarcastically, however, I really do hope to be
helpful.

Rodney
 
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Compu-Pikachu

Slippery_one said:

Ah, I once heard of a musical band referred to as that.

Am I being described as such? If so, is it due to the grammatical
correction? If true, I merely rectify mistakes for the benefit of those who
made them. Please do not develop animosity for me.

Is that humor at my expense? Nevertheless, the answer is, "Affirmative."

Then you are referring to my attempts to comprehend?

How does this equate to me: Smith being cultured and possessing an
excellent command of English?

What about me is such?
 
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Rodney

Compu-Pikachu said:
My brother and I each possess a Windows XP Service Pack II computer, which
are networked, his being the server and providing a shared connection. Both
of us also have shared directories. Despite the network's considerable
benefits, primarily in entertainment, intermittently:

1. Both or one of either of the computers' shared directory Network Places
shortcuts cease to exist.

It probably would be helpful to determine and state the conditions under
which this happens. (i.e. Does this occur when one of the computers has
been powered down and/or rebooted?)

2. Both or one of the computers cease to register in the workgroup
computers lists of both or one of our computers.

As above, the conditions may be helpful for troubleshooting.

Are you familiar with the "ping" command?

3. Whenever I attempt to access files via Internet Explorer while using the
shared connection, the computer believes that no such connection is
currently active and, instead, attempts to connect to the Internet, which is
always futile, as the domicile only possesses one telephone line.

From the "whenever", can we assume that this condition is permanent not
intermittent or is this included in the "intermittently:"? Can we also
assume that this is also something that once worked and now does not?
Additionally, have you checked the ICS (Internet connection sharing)
setup on your brothers computer to see if it still appears to be setup
and working correctly? Can we also assume that his computer connects to
the Internet without problems?

I am substantially displeased by this, especially considering my conjecture
that the service pack is defective. I have even heard negative comments on
it. Perhaps the claims of Microsoft's software flaws being considerably
more common compared to those of a majority of other major companies are
true after all.

Some people had issues with service pack 2, many of those were related
to them not having read suggested information prior to installing the
SP. There were conflicts with some software and drivers, however, many
computers took the SP with it's enhanced security features and worked
fine with no issues. There is considerable debate about your final
point, however, to repeat it here or let it become part of this thread
would very likely not be productive in finding the answers you need
about your computers.

It would be interesting, and perhaps important, to know if the problems
you're having only started after installation of SP2.

Rodney
 
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Shenan Stanley

Compu-Pikachu said:
Our computers were just purchased approximately nine months ago. The
malfunctions commenced transpiring about only two ago. Please
explain that.

Quite simple to explain, actually.

Nothing works forever nor at 100% forever. Perhaps you increased your network usage in the last few days and noticed this issue because of this or perhaps you just performed the SP2 upgrade on both of the computers and have not yet followed the suggested courses of action on both or perhaps it was a fluke and one of the machines got a surge that triggered the problem.

Not only do things not work forever or at 100%, but many problems that were there but not prevalent become prevalent over time or with changes that occur with the way those things are accessed or used. In this case - I again submit - your usage level may have changed or you upgraded to SP2 on both machines recently, etc.

In any case, my trouble with the VIA Rhine chipset is not unique (as evident by Google searches) nor was it consistent. For weeks at a time the machines in question would function properly - then one day the network performance would be a horrid sight. Perhaps a few tweaks would fix it, perhaps not. However, using a different NIC in each case always solved the issue.
It has been accomplished.

Great! Has there been any change in performance now? Since the response stating it had been accomplished was on the 7th of March and it is now the 9th - I assume you might have had a chance to see if this helped. This was done on both machines, correct?
The cable's packaging did read "crossover," and according to the
latter term's definition, it would be of that variety.

Assumed as much, considering you had connectivity issues. I just wanted to clear up that not all Cables are CAT5.. You could have, in fact, purchased CAT3, CAT5, CAT5e or CAT6 cable fairly readily.
Well, Windows Update should have warned me of that.

Not really - some things are still the end-users responsibility. After all, with the billions upon billions of possible computer configurations out there - it HAS to logically be left to the end-user and the manufacturer of the hardware components of the PCs in question to insure they are compatible (or not) with the different Operating Systems. Microsoft does have pages upon pages discussing SP2.. One of the more simplistic (for most end-users) to look at is:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx
Where this is found:

2.Get the latest PC manufacturer updates for SP2.
As one of the steps to ensuring you have all of the support information you need to install SP2, we recommend that you visit your PC manufacturer's Web site first and search for any information about SP2 that might apply to your computer.
Ah, of course, it would be considered adaptation.

Yes.. Much like if one was to install Linux or BeOS instead of Windows. The driver changes. Linux is a better example, because the all-encompassing term "Linux" is used, which "flavor" you use would determine which hardware driver you would use. Same here - Windows XP GOLD, SP1 or SP2?
Are you referring to SpyBot: Search & Destroy or spyware? In either
case, the answer is, "Negative."

Spybot Search and Destroy, Lavasoft AdAware, SpySweeper, etc - are all only 60% or less effective. Meaning that according to studies, they only (alone) find and remove 60% or less of all the spyware an infected machine has at their best. True, on some systems they may find 100% of the spyware because the user is only infected with the spyware that software can identify - but even in those cases, not 100% of the traces of that spyware may be removed - as spyware changes often. It may only remove certain parts.
Microsoft is developing such a program? They must particularly be
catching on to things. It took them eons to implement a pop-up
advertisement blocker.

Developing would be a misnomer in my opinion. More like "further developing and adapting". They have bought out Giant AntiSpyware and are changing it to suit their needs and will be giving the resultant application to their customers.

And yes, it did take them some time to include a popup blocker in their Internet Explorer application - one that works fairly well in my opinion. I still prefer Firefox and still suggest the Google toolbar to anyone having trouble with such things, however. I find both still work better.


Adding back the following section so the context is not confusing:
-->> Mainly.. P2P anywhere?
--> I have only heard of that term a few times, whose acronymic
--> representation I am aware is "point-to-point." Are these merely file
--> sharing programs? If so, the answer is, "Negative."

It is a good thing you are not using P2P for many reasons. Most uses for P2P are far from honorable - in that people transfer questionable (both in terms of security and legality) media over such applications. I am not saying that there are not legitimate uses for P2P, just that the activity of transporting "warez" over such a medium is more prevalent.

Secondly, it can (unbeknownst to the uninformed user of such applications) provide easy access to your computer and an undeserved trust of what is downloaded using it. This can cause the slack in a security regime that allows something horrible to happen to your computer.
That has been accomplished.

What are the advantages and, if any, disadvantages, and what
characterizes IPX/SPX/NetBIOS?

It is a small and fast protocol. This can increase your transfer speed between machines on a network such as yours. It doesn't give you access to the Internet (TCP/IP) or any machines not running the protocol. It allows you to leave your Windows Firewall ON without making any exceptions yet still maintain a feeling of security (less needed in your case since you have dialup as your only means out to the world (thus, in from the world as well.))
Fortunately, I am not impatient.

This has become increasingly obvious as our discussion continues and should serve you well in everyday life - although it may tend to make others uncomfortable. Most live by a hectic "now!" code and no longer understand the advantages of patience.
Why did the realization that dial-up connections were being used
cause the reconsideration?

There is no need for a hub, switch or router in your case - with only two computers whose almost sole purpose for being connected is to share information between the two - including the Internet connection. Being that one of the main purposes is to share the one's Dial-Up internet with the one other, a single crossover connection between the computers will give the same performance as a hub/switch/router will. If you were to add another system into the mix (whether you still wanted to share a dial-up connection or just files between the computers would not matter to me) I would reconsider again and recommend the hub/router/switch - because it would take the (in the case of a switch/router) processing of packet transfers/retransfers away from the systems - freeing up their resources.
Please elucidate "instruction set."

In this case, it refers to the web page as a whole and the many different instruction sets it contains on the different types of networking available for users such as us. It is a bit of slang of sorts, due to my involvement with certain lines of study in the past and brought over to everyday life.
The hyperlink was excluded, as it had no pertinence to my response.

Yes - but this assumes (as other exclusions you have made and I have unmade in this very response have done) that you and I are the only two involved in this conversation - which is far from the truth. This conversation is being read by (obviously not participated in) many people just by the nature of its locality. Also, it also assumes that the entirety of the thread is available to everyone, when in fact the way the newsgroups work - some of this thread is already unavailable to many people around the world (determined by which news server they connect to and the settings of that server.) Therefore without a frame of reference, people may become confused as to why something was asked or what was referred to.


However - we digress.. This is about your issue with transfer speed and stability, is it not?

How is your problem today? Has anything changed either because of implementation of items either from our discussion or from other comments and experimentation/research on your part. If the latter, what helped? As I doubt you are the only person in the world with such issues, sharing this back with the community (world) at large may help someone else overcome this issue more quickly.
 
K

Kerry Brown

Huh? Why would it be believed that I am being disrespectful? This is
probably one of those cases where the behavior of an individual with
Asperger's syndrome/high-functioning autism has been misinterpreted as
being ill-intentioned.

I've just read up on Asperger's Syndrome. It was enlightening.

As to your network problem. In my course of business I have seen
intermittent problems with two computers networked via a crossover cable
utilizing the on-board ethernet ports. If you power up one computer and the
other is not powered up the port is not properly initialized and Windows
does not recognize it. You must power up both computers within a few seconds
of one another or power up one, wait until Windows is running, power up the
other computer, wait until Windows is running, then restart the first
computer. If this turns out to be the cause of your problem it can be solved
by utilizing one of these methods. 1) Make sure both computers are powered
up at the same time. 2) Install a hub or switch and use regular CAT 5
ethernet cables instead of the crossover cable. As long as the hub or switch
is powered up before either of the computers, the on-board ethernet ports
will be properly initialized. 3) Or lastly, install PCI ethernet cards in
both computers, disable the on-board ethernet ports, and use the newly
installed PCI cards with your existing crossover cable to connect the
computers.

I hope one of these suggestions helps to solve your problem.

Kerry
 
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Slippery_one

Compu-Pikachu said:
That is just as inaccurate. I possess a strict anti-patronization
policy.


You are going to need to work on it! Set aside at least six hours a
day practicing. Get yourself a job as a dishwasher at a greasy spoon
for a couple weeks. It will help you.
 
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Slippery_one

Compu-Pikachu said:
Ah, I once heard of a musical band referred to as that.

One very fun band of musicians to whitness. Very fun!
Am I being described as such? If so, is it due to the grammatical
correction? If true, I merely rectify mistakes for the benefit of
those who made them. Please do not develop animosity for me.

Relax. Chill. I suspect you get lots of this treatment and thrive on
it. Do people start moving away from you at parties? Or are they all
like you at the party? LOL
Is that humor at my expense? Nevertheless, the answer is,
"Affirmative."

Iwasintentionalizingmymistakedness. ;)

Then you are referring to my attempts to comprehend?

Most of us (on planet Earth) are so far below you that your subtle
insults are lost on us. Do people seem to look at you like a deer
transfixed in the headlights of a car do when you are talking to them?
Do their eyes glaze and do they start to sway as if hypnotized? Or do
you just avoid going to that part of town? LOL
How does this equate to me: Smith being cultured and possessing an
excellent command of English?


What about me is such?

Explaining it wouldn't help you understand it, if you have to ask. I'd
say "look in the mirror" but I suspect you are parked there.
 
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Ray

That is just as inaccurate. I possess a strict anti-patronization policy.
Apply the KISS and RTFM principles here. And oh, by the way--don't use such
big 10-syllable words. You don't know how to do it properly.
 
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Slippery_one

Ray said:
Apply the KISS and RTFM principles here. And oh, by the way--don't
use such big 10-syllable words. You don't know how to do it
properly.

I counted to 8 once! Most hardest thing I evrdid.
 
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Compu-Pikachu

Shenan Stanley communicated:
Great! Has there been any change in performance now? Since the response
stating it had been accomplished was on the 7th of March and it is now the
9th - I assume you might have had a chance to see if this helped. This
was done on both machines, correct?

I had not yet gotten around to operating his computer, due to him using it
and my forgetting to do so whenever he was not.

Shenan Stanley communicated:
Not really - some things are still the end-users responsibility. After
all, with the billions upon billions of possible computer configurations
out there - it HAS to logically be left to the end-user and the
manufacturer of the hardware components of the PCs in question to insure
they are compatible (or not) with the different Operating Systems.
Microsoft does have pages upon pages discussing SP2.. One of the more
simplistic (for most end-users) to look at is:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx

Now, THAT was to which I was referring.

Shenan Stanley communicated:
And yes, it did take them some time to include a popup blocker in their
Internet Explorer application - one that works fairly well in my opinion.

Ah, so that is why.

I acquiesce with your assessment.

Shenan Stanley communicated:
I still prefer Firefox and still suggest the Google toolbar to anyone
having trouble with such things, however.

My brother and I formerly used it until Internet Explorer's blocker was
implemented.

Shenan Stanley communicated:
Most uses for P2P are far from honorable - in that people transfer
questionable (both in terms of security and legality) media over such
applications.

Ah, I am familiar with that.

Shenan Stanley communicated:
I am not saying that there are not legitimate uses for P2P, just that the
activity of transporting "warez" over such a medium is more prevalent.

It had appeared so.

Shenan Stanley communicated:
How is your problem today?

Again, I had not yet gotten around to operating his computer, due to him
using it and my forgetting to do so whenever he was not. I shall order him
to permit me to accomplish this immediately.
 
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Compu-Pikachu

Slippery One communicated:
Relax. Chill.

My Vulcan-like mentality also includes substantial mental discipline and
weak or possibly non-existent emotions.

Typically, it is I (with emphasis) who would be behesting individuals to
calm themselves.

Slippery One communicated:
I suspect you get lots of this treatment and thrive on it.

The frequency is approximately forty percent. Despite this, many
individuals, especially foreigners have appreciated my corrections.

Why would I thrive on animosity? That is illogical.
Do people start moving away from you at parties? Or are they all like you
at the party? LOL

I never attend parties, nor do I particularly care for social activities. I
do not possess social requirements. In fact, I prefer solitude, as it
avoids the chaos of neurotypicals' emotions and illogic.

However, I have been esteemed by some of my former classmates, especially in
high school. Some have even been amazed by my memorization of pi to fifty
decimal digits.

Slippery One communicated:
Iwasintentionalizingmymistakedness.

It could have still been intentional to MAKE the humor at my expense.

Slippery One communicated:
Most of us (on planet Earth) are so far below you that your subtle insults
are lost on us.

I have not harassed any of you.

Slippery One communicated:
Do people seem to look at you like a deer transfixed in the headlights of
a car do when you are talking to them? Do their eyes glaze and do they
start to sway as if hypnotized? Or do you just avoid going to that part of
town? LOL

I have never noticed, but that has probably never or rarely transpired,
especially considering that I had always been unaware of such.

Slippery One communicated:
Explaining it wouldn't help you understand it, if you have to ask.

Why?

Slippery One communicated:
I'd say "look in the mirror" but I suspect you are parked there.

Please elucidate.
 
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Compu-Pikachu

Rodney communicated:
I have edited the portions of the post that were not part of this response
and that were not necessary to it's understanding. In case you are not
aware, that is common practise and appropriate in lengthy posts and
threads.

I am familiar with the practice and even engage in it, as I have in this
thread.

Rodney communicated:
I cannot make reasonable assumptions about your common sense or logic
other than you are here in the newsgroup asking questions because you were
not able to figure out the solution to the problem on your own.

Again, my substantial logical abilities are evident.

Rodney communicated:
Not all people with AS possess a high IQ, some are only in the normal
range, although they may function with high vocabulary skills in either
case. Therefore, I could not make reasonable assumptions about you
personally at this point.

I was aware of that, but my vocabulary provides sufficient evidence,
especially compounded with my condition.

Rodney communicated:
No, I (and others) post as they see fit. It is up to you to deal with the
emotional issue of whether or not you feel patronized. Newsgroups are a
microcosm of the World and, as such, include people in a spectrum from
nice and respectful to those who are just plain rude or short tempered. In
theory, (I say that because I can't really know your motivation) you are
here because you need help with an problem, you will find that help more
easily if you ignore any ego issues that come from other posters or any
that might be your own. Many of the experts here spend a lot of their
volunteer time helping others and don't, or in some cases aren't able to,
structure their answers in a form that you find acceptable. You are in
control of taking the advice you need from the technical stuff (wheat from
the chaff).

That is an excellent point, but patronizing is offensive, which is the only
reason that I did not appreciate it, not for any emotional reasons. In
fact, I did not even feel anything as a result.

The conjecture is correct.

Why would I have been concered with ego issues? My purpose here is to
acquire assistance.

Rodney communicated:
In this case it is an abbreviation for Hope This Helps. It's a fairly
common one used on newsgroups following a response to a technical
question.

Yes, I have noticed at least a few individuals assisting on Microsoft
newsgroups communicate the phrase, which would probably explain why it is
likely common.
 

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