Slow Computer Response:

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Robert

Also, can't hurt to search on eBay.

Home> Buy> Computers & Networking> Desktop & Laptop Components> Memory
for Desktop PC> RDRAM> Search Results for 'pc800 2x256mb non-ecc'

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=unknown&sbrftog=1&ca....

Good deals here. Make sure you pick a seller with a high rating! And I
still would post to one of the Dell forums first just to make absolutely
sure.

And you should also be able to leave your current RAM in for a total of
768 MB RAM.

I'm familar with eBay so that shouldn't be a problem and will check
there when the time comes to buy and will look around in the meantime.
Again, thank you for all the help.

Robert
 
R

Robert

I had a thought and was going to buy the RAm you found on Amazon but
now it shows only the used one for sale. Do you think it's a good
idea to buy used RAM?


Robert
 
R

Robert

Front Side Bus. For more info, see:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-front-side-bus.htm

Your PC seems to be the older of the two mentioned here:

http://www.lyberty.com/tech/sysspecs/dell_8200.html

Scroll down to Memory. (I'm glad I found this page!) The RAM that
shipped with the PC is non-ECC (different from the other links I gave
you!).

For memory choices, see:

http://www.memoryx.net/dimension.html

Lots of choices!

But there are only two for Dimension 8200 (400MHz FSB):

ECC:http://www.memoryx.net/deldim82ser.html

And non-ECC:http://www.memoryx.net/dimension8200.html

I would definitely post to the Dell forum first to determine which would
be better for you. I'm a bit confused; since you have PC800, it looks
like the ECC is the way to go (at least on the memoryx web site). But it
seems that the non-ECC is what shipped with it originally. So ask an
expert!

UPDATE:

Quote from ebay auction: "I recently purchased this RAM for my Dell
Dimension 8200, but my Dell requires Non-ECC RAM. The RAM was never
installed, I found the mistake too late "

Hmmm. Looks like non-ECC, then. So........

SimpleTech STD2552/256 256MB PC800 Non-ECC RDRAM 184pin RIMM

http://www.amazon.com/SimpleTech-STD2552-256-Non-ECC-184pin/dp/B00006...

That should be the one! (But, again, I'd research it more, first...)

$140 + shipping

If you can't afford that just yet, you may find you may not need more
RAM after all if you're able to run very lean as I mentioned earlier
(not easy, but still possible). Those Web sites I mentioned have a
wealth of information.


Although imaging to an external hard drive is a more pleasant
experience, you should be able to image your hard drive to a series of
CDs or DVDs with the proper software. I've never used Casper or Ghost,
but I'd like to think the answer is yes. I personally like Acronis True
Image. So, you may use your DVD/RW drive for both data and imaging your
entire drive.

Just to let you know, I clicked on the non-ECC link above and started
to do their test of my system to see which RAM I did indeed need and
my Comodo fired up with a Malware alert!
I also registered with the Dell Community and so far they came back
with the same thing you intially did Crucial at $265.00 a stick!@! Oh
man, I hope I can fins some allot cheaper than that! I've done
everything you and Gerry suggested but I would still like to upgrade
before I can't. One this is for sure, if and when I do get another
computer I'm going to make sure it has plenty of RAM!@! I thought by
upgrading my hard drive I was making my computer run faster. Just
shows you how little I know.


Robert
 
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Daave

Robert said:
I had a thought and was going to buy the RAm you found on Amazon but
now it shows only the used one for sale. Do you think it's a good
idea to buy used RAM?

I think it's fine as long as it's relatively inexpensive and from a
reputable dealer.
 
D

Daave

Robert said:
Just to let you know, I clicked on the non-ECC link above and started
to do their test of my system to see which RAM I did indeed need and
my Comodo fired up with a Malware alert!
I also registered with the Dell Community and so far they came back
with the same thing you intially did Crucial at $265.00 a stick!@! Oh
man, I hope I can fins some allot cheaper than that! I've done
everything you and Gerry suggested but I would still like to upgrade
before I can't. One this is for sure, if and when I do get another
computer I'm going to make sure it has plenty of RAM!@! I thought by
upgrading my hard drive I was making my computer run faster. Just
shows you how little I know.

Comodo is a firewall. Does it detect malware, too? What was the message?

FWIW, I got a Security Alert from IE (I'm currently on my 98 SE rig w/
IE 6): "The security certificate was issued by a company you have chosen
not to trust." Upon viewing the certificate, I found it was issued to
www.sightmaxondemand.com by Go Daddy Secure Certificate Authority. I
wonder if that was something SpywareBlaster did...

I would try an eBay seller who has a lot of transactions and a high
rating, preferably a Power Seller. Item number: 300188450775 is only
$46.99 plus $8.00 shipping (in U.S.) for 2 256MB sticks. And freshcells
is a Power Seller.

A bigger hard drive will give you more space for data, but that's it.
:)

Speed is a result of the processor and not relying on the pagefile.
 
R

Robert

Comodo is a firewall. Does it detect malware, too? What was the message?

FWIW, I got a Security Alert from IE (I'm currently on my 98 SE rig w/
IE 6): "The security certificate was issued by a company you have chosen
not to trust." Upon viewing the certificate, I found it was issued towww.sightmaxondemand.comby Go Daddy Secure Certificate Authority. I
wonder if that was something SpywareBlaster did...

I would try an eBay seller who has a lot of transactions and a high
rating, preferably a Power Seller. Item number: 300188450775 is only
$46.99 plus $8.00 shipping (in U.S.) for 2 256MB sticks. And freshcells
is a Power Seller.

A bigger hard drive will give you more space for data, but that's it.
:)

Speed is a result of the processor and not relying on the pagefile.

Comodo is a firewall, but whenever I add anything new like when I
started to download and run the test Comodo it gives a pop-up menu
requesting if I want to do this and in this case it seemed to know
that this was a possible malware as it came up all red which it's
never done before.

I've been talking to a guy on the Dell site and although he says when
you buy from Crucial you have peace of mind as they stand behind their
products, but for the kind of money they are asking they better!

He gave me this alternative link for RAM sticks:

http://www.starmicro.net/detail.aspx?ID=679

Have you ever heard of them? He says he's bought from them before and
there were no issues.

So will I be ok with 512 ? If so, and this is what I need I'm going to
order them as they are the cheapest I've seen.


Robert
 
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Gerry

Robert

Specifications are a matter of balance. Your installed memory does seem
out of kilter with the rest of the machine. The real problem comes when
the processor speed is the bottleneck because that means a new
motherboard and effectively a new computer. Whenever you buy a new
computer you need to ask about upgrade capability.



--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
G

Gerry

Robert

I appreciate cost is an issue but adding 2 x 128 mb will not represent
value for money. When you need to upgrade again it will be dead money.
You should try to afford 2 x 256 mb.

I cannot comment on the source as I know nothing about it.


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
D

Daave

To Robert (additions to Gerry's post inline):

Gerry said:
Robert

I appreciate cost is an issue but adding 2 x 128 mb will not represent
value for money. When you need to upgrade again it will be dead money.
You should try to afford 2 x 256 mb.

Agreed. See:

http://www.starmicro.net/detail.aspx?ID=401

2 x $38 = $76.

The extra $26 is buying you twice the memory.
I cannot comment on the source as I know nothing about it.

It's the first I heard of them, too. Ask around. Search the Web for any
complaints.
 
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Robert

To Robert (additions to Gerry's post inline):





Agreed. See:

http://www.starmicro.net/detail.aspx?ID=401

2 x $38 = $76.

The extra $26 is buying you twice the memory.


It's the first I heard of them, too. Ask around. Search the Web for any
complaints.

I will check and see what I can find but at this point it seems this
is my only option versus Crucial . If I do buy, I think I can afford
to buy 4x256 giving me 1024MB.

If so, then this should fix my problems, correct?


Robert
 
G

Gerry

Robert

I think so but hedge your bet by buying 2 x 256 mb. If that works buy
another 2 x 256 mb.


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
R

Robert

Robert

I think so but hedge your bet by buying 2 x 256 mb. If that works buy
another 2 x 256 mb.

--

Hope  this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


It sounds like good advice instead of putting all my eggs into one
basket so to speck. Also it says "Kit means you have to buy 2Qty"

http://www.starmicro.net/detail.aspx?ID=401

since I'm don't see the word kit I'm assuming that for Qty I need to
buy (2), correct? Sorry for all the questions but this is new to me.


Robert
 
D

Daave

I will check and see what I can find but at this point it seems this
is my only option versus Crucial . If I do buy, I think I can afford
to buy 4x256 giving me 1024MB.

If so, then this should fix my problems, correct?

Very possible, but not a slam dunk.

You probably got rid of all your malware, but it's possible you may
still have some undetected. Bottom line: Assuming you are truly
malware-free*, your biggest problem is probably not having enough
memory, so adding memory should improve your system's performance.

* If you suspect you may still have undetected malware, I will again
suggest you run HijackThis. Download it from:

http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/programs.php

and post the log to an appropriate forum, such as:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/forum22.html

Here's a helpful tutorial:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial42.html

In case you haven't tried Process Explorer, you should; it's good at
identifying resource/memory hogs:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx

Finally, Clean Boot Troubleshooting is always a thorough diagnostic:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316434
 
R

Robert

If so, then this should fix my problems, correct?
Very possible, but not a slam dunk.

You probably got rid of all your malware, but it's possible you may
still have some undetected. Bottom line: Assuming you are truly
malware-free*, your biggest problem is probably not having enough
memory, so adding memory should improve your system's performance.

* If you suspect you may still have undetected malware, I will again
suggest you run HijackThis. Download it from:

http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/programs.php

and post the log to an appropriate forum, such as:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/forum22.html

Here's a helpful tutorial:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial42.html

In case you haven't tried Process Explorer, you should; it's good at
identifying resource/memory hogs:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx

Finally, Clean Boot Troubleshooting is always a thorough diagnostic:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316434



I actually don't think I have any malware though Trend Micro found the
Http Cookie, which I deleted and then re-ran at its suggestion and
came out clean and Kapersky found the Malware Exploit.JS.XMLcore.b,
which I deleted

I now have AVG, Spybot, A-Squared, Kapersky, Trend Micro and Comodo on
my system and would think I should be protected.

I thought I did the Hijack before and posted it in one of my replies?
However I ran it again and this time posted it to Bleeping Computer.

I saved the Bleeping Computer Tutorial the first time you gave it to
me.

I ran Process Explorer but really don't know what I'm looking for. In
any event here are some results:

CPU Usage 3.08% - 8.90% (keeps changing)
Commit Charge 18.16% 404.7MB
Processes 47 I.O.
36.1Kb

Commit Charge:
Current 414,400
Limit 2,286,352
Peak 439,484

I think I ran something similar before, Everest? By the way I noticed
I have Speed fan, is that just to monitor the internal feather fan and
do I need it? Or can I delete it?

Clean Boot seems a bit advanced as it talks about going into msconfig
and changing the registry, and I'm VERY leary of doing this one so I
backed out of it.
Seems very complicated and at the beginning it says you must know how
to recover from msconfig, oh great! Do I really need to do this?

At this point I've done everything you and Gerry have advised with
only a couple of exceptions such as Clean Boot. Unless you have
further recommendations or suggestions I'll call StarMicro to make
sure they have the RAM in stock and if so place an order for (2)
sticks of 256 RAM following Gerry's advise. If they work, then I will
place an order for two more.


Robert
 
R

Robert

I actually don't think I have any malware though Trend Micro found the
Http Cookie, which I deleted and then re-ran at  its suggestion and
came out clean and  Kapersky found the Malware Exploit.JS.XMLcore.b,
which I deleted

I now have AVG, Spybot, A-Squared, Kapersky, and Comodo on
my system and would think I should be protected.


and Avast!

Robert
 
R

Robert

Clean Boot seems a bit advanced as it talks about going into msconfig
and changing the registry, and I'm VERY leary of doing this one so I
backed out of it.
Seems very complicated and at the beginning it says you must know how
to recover from msconfig, oh great! Do I really need to do this?


I did go into Autoruns versus msconfig and checked a number of
applications. I understand that Clean Boot is something different
altogether and goes through a step by step process but it seemed very
'iffy' to me and could cause more problems.

Robert
 
D

Daave

I actually don't think I have any malware though Trend Micro found the
Http Cookie, which I deleted and then re-ran at its suggestion and
came out clean and Kapersky found the Malware Exploit.JS.XMLcore.b,
which I deleted

I now have AVG, Spybot, A-Squared, Kapersky, Trend Micro and Comodo on
my system and would think I should be protected.

Chances are you don't have malware. But since you *did* have malware at
one point (the XML exploit), I was concerned there might be other
undetected infections.

How are Kaspersky and Trend Micro configured? You should not have them
running at the same time! (That is, if they both are monitoring/scanning
your system at the same time, you will have problems.)
I thought I did the Hijack before and posted it in one of my replies?
However I ran it again and this time posted it to Bleeping Computer.

I haven't seen your log. What is your handle on Bleeping Computer?
I ran Process Explorer but really don't know what I'm looking for. In
any event here are some results:

If you have any resource/memory hogs, you will be able to quickly tell
what they are with Process Explorer. It's similar to Task Manager, but
it provides more information, including the full paths of your running
processes.
CPU Usage 3.08% - 8.90% (keeps changing)
Commit Charge 18.16% 404.7MB
Processes 47 I.O.
36.1Kb

Commit Charge:
Current 414,400
Limit 2,286,352
Peak 439,484

I think I ran something similar before, Everest? By the way I noticed
I have Speed fan, is that just to monitor the internal feather fan and
do I need it? Or can I delete it?

You saw these figures previously with Task Manager (Performance tab).
You don't need SpeedFan. You may as well uninstall it since Everest can
give you the same information.
Clean Boot seems a bit advanced as it talks about going into msconfig
and changing the registry, and I'm VERY leary of doing this one so I
backed out of it.

If you image your hard drive and things go wrong, you can always put
that image back and you'll be fine.
Seems very complicated and at the beginning it says you must know how
to recover from msconfig, oh great! Do I really need to do this?

Not necessarily. Chances are all you need to do is put in more memory.
But if you ever want to pinpoint any particular problems (such as a
particular problem spinning its wheels), clean boot troubleshooting is a
sure thing.
At this point I've done everything you and Gerry have advised with
only a couple of exceptions such as Clean Boot. Unless you have
further recommendations or suggestions I'll call StarMicro to make
sure they have the RAM in stock and if so place an order for (2)
sticks of 256 RAM following Gerry's advise. If they work, then I will
place an order for two more.

That's good advice. You already have 256 MB. Installing another 512 MB
will bring you up to 768 MB, which should be more than enough,
considering your Current and Peak Commit Charge figures.
 
R

Robert

Chances are you don't have malware. But since you *did* have malware at
one point (the XML exploit), I was concerned there might be other
undetected infections.

How are Kaspersky and Trend Micro configured? You should not have them
running at the same time! (That is, if they both are monitoring/scanning
your system at the same time, you will have problems.)


I haven't seen your log. What is your handle on Bleeping Computer?


If you have any resource/memory hogs, you will be able to quickly tell
what they are with Process Explorer. It's similar to Task Manager, but
it provides more information, including the full paths of your running
processes.




You saw these figures previously with Task Manager (Performance tab).
You don't need SpeedFan. You may as well uninstall it since Everest can
give you the same information.


If you image your hard drive and things go wrong, you can always put
that image back and you'll be fine.


Not necessarily. Chances are all you need to do is put in more memory.
But if you ever want to pinpoint any particular problems (such as a
particular problem spinning its wheels), clean boot troubleshooting is a
sure thing.


That's good advice. You already have 256 MB. Installing another 512 MB
will bring you up to 768 MB, which should be more than enough,
considering your Current and Peak Commit Charge figures.



Hello Daave,

Chances are you don't have malware. But since you *did* have malware
at
one point (the XML exploit), I was concerned there might be other
undetected infections.

I understand

How are Kaspersky and Trend Micro configured? You should not have
them
running at the same time! (That is, if they both are monitoring/
scanning
your system at the same time, you will have problems.)

I never run any of my scans simultaneously but one at a time. I
realize I don't have Trend Micro, I just did their free online scan.
As far as my Kapersky settings, here they are(I think):

Run Mode - manually
FTP Passive mode - yes
Connection timeout - 60 seconds
User proxy server - Automatically detect the proxy server settings
(exclude local addresses)
Rescan Quarantine - yes
Region - Autodetection
Update Application rules - yes
I thought I did the Hijack before and posted it in one of my replies?
However I ran it again and this time posted it to Bleeping Computer.
I haven't seen your log. What is your handle on Bleeping Computer?

My handle is Navyguy, I apparently posted it in the wrong forum and
didn't do it right as it was moved by a moderator.
I ran Process Explorer but really don't know what I'm looking for. In
any event here are some results:
If you have any resource/memory hogs, you will be able to quickly
tell
what they are with Process Explorer. It's similar to Task Manager,
but
it provides more information, including the full paths of your
running
processes.

I suppose my biggest memory hog is my ImageX program(Dell Imagining)
which you and Gerry asked about but it's a program I use quite allot
and I like it very much. However I have been moving the bulk of my jpg
and other files to disk; while I understand this isn't going to make
my computer run faster it should help speed up my scans since those
files are no longer there.

You saw these figures previously with Task Manager (Performance tab).
You don't need SpeedFan. You may as well uninstall it since Everest
can
give you the same information.

I uninstalled Speed Fan

Clean Boot seems a bit advanced as it talks about going into
msconfig
and changing the registry, and I'm VERY leary of doing this one so I
backed out of it.

If you image your hard drive and things go wrong, you can always put
that image back and you'll be fine.

How do I image my hard drive?

Seems very complicated and at the beginning it says you must know how
to recover from msconfig, oh great! Do I really need to do this?

Not necessarily. Chances are all you need to do is put in more
memory.
But if you ever want to pinpoint any particular problems (such as a
particular problem spinning its wheels), clean boot troubleshooting is
a
sure thing.

I'll give it a try if you tell me how to image my hard drive. (It kind
of sounds like cloning my drive to a external backup) I do have System
Restore but I assume what your talking about is a true imagin of my
operating system.
At this point I've done everything you and Gerry have advised with
only a couple of exceptions such as Clean Boot. Unless you have
further recommendations or suggestions I'll call StarMicro to make
sure they have the RAM in stock and if so place an order for (2)
sticks of 256 RAM following Gerry's advise. If they work, then I will
place an order for two more.

I called StarMicro to make sure they had the parts in stock and also
because most of the positive reviews on Pricewatch called beforehand.
So I will be placing the order soon.

That's good advice. You already have 256 MB. Installing another 512
MB
will bring you up to 768 MB, which should be more than enough,
considering your Current and Peak Commit Charge figures.

Thanks again for all your great advice, I appreciate it.

Robert
 
R

Robert

I forgot to add that I scanned my computer recently with Kapersky and
it came out clean. Planning to run Spybot, AVG and A-Squared later and
will report if they find anything.


Robert
 

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