slide transitions

[Guest]

Hi,

I am using PowerPoint 2000. I went into the slide show menu, and then the
slide transition submenu in order to apply transitions to a presentation.

I am having problems with two types of slide transitions as follows:

1. Checkerboard Across -- I have applied this transition to three
consecutive slides. The first slide transitions perfectly. However, the two
remaining slides do not transition correctly, for only part of each slide
portrays the checkerboards going across.

This would be difficult to live with because it looks really goofy and
unprofessional.

2. Box Out -- I have applied this transition to eleven consecutive slides.
The first and second slides transition perfectly. However, the nine remaining
slides do not transition correctly, for a side bar that I have placed on the
second through eleventh slides is not part of the boxed out transitions.

It is almost as if the side bar from the second slide is memorized, so when
it reappears on the next slides, it is ignored by the transition command and
thus not part of the transition.

This does not look too bad, but I do prefer that it work correctly.

Please help me resolve these issues!

Thanks.

P.S. The Cover Right transition works perfectly throughout several
consecutive slides!

 

[Brian Reilly, MS MVP]

Kath,
I've only looked at your first issue here on checkerboard Across and
here's what I think (not a truely tested answer, but a thought process
to examine)

If I do a simple text slide and another simple text slide with no
backgrounds, and then do some another simple text slide with a fill as
a background and then some more simple text slides with no
backgrounds, then I see exactly what you see.

I think the animation transition only applies to the actual objects on
the page and not to the page itself..

I'd hazard a guess, but only an untested guess that this is what you
are also seeing in the Box Out situation. But you might want to test
this and see if the other MVP's who actually really use animations see
the same process going on. They, and you, and all others can also feel
free to tell me I'm just nuts here. Steve probably will anyway, even
if he agrees with me. (g)

Brian Reilly, MVP

 

[Echo S]

Hi, Kath.

What you and Brian see is what I see here also. I've noticed it before
especially with the Box Out transition, but I've never really thought a lot
about it. I always just figured that the slide was boxing, but the master
elements seemed to stay in place because it's almost like animating an
object on top of itself -- you wouldn't see any difference. I mean, one
slide transitions into another, and if those two slides have the same
background elements, you won't see the element transitioning in because of
the existing element. Does that make sense?

Just to see if I could force this "transition with black," I tried making a
copy of the background elements and pasting it on the slides themselves, and
they still weren't affected by the transition. If I changed the color of the
object, though, then it would be affected by the transition. I'd see one
color transition in on another color. So that all pretty much points to
stuff just transitioning in on top of itself (in a manner of speaking) and
so it's hiding the actual transition when the objects are essentially the
same color and in the same position.

The first slide transitions through black because there's not a slide in
front of it to transition from. If you put a black slide with a 00-second
automatic transition between the "real" slides, you'll get a checkerboard
all right! Try it also with a 00-second auto transition and no transition
effect.

This is why the push or cover transitions don't have this problem. The
entire slide is displaced in those transitions, so nothing's coming in on
top of itself. (That also depends on your background elements, of course.)

 

[Adam Crowley]

I agree with Echo, it's not that the transition is misbehaving, it's just
that if some parts of the two slides are identical then you won't see the
effect of the transition over those parts. You will only see the full
transition effect if the two slides are completely different, or if the
transition you choose actually moves the new slide on top of the first (as
in your example of 'cover in').
Would you expect to see the checkerboard transition happening if the two
slides were identical?

 

[Guest]

Hi, Adam --

Yes, I would expect to see any transition I applied to show up between
identical, adjacent slides. I do not see why I should not expect this.

Obviously, this is a quirk in an older version. I have used many transitions
in versions 2002 and 2003 with no such problems.

My client will be upgrading to a newer version in September. I can hardly
wait!

 

[Guest]

Hi, Echo!

Thank you so much. I will be using your work-around in my presentation!

The only "side effect" is that the work-around will mess up the automatic
slide-numbering system. I asked my client if the numbering of the slides is
necessary, and she fortunately said No.

Thanks again.

Hi, Kath.

What you and Brian see is what I see here also. I've noticed it before
especially with the Box Out transition, but I've never really thought a lot
about it. I always just figured that the slide was boxing, but the master
elements seemed to stay in place because it's almost like animating an
object on top of itself -- you wouldn't see any difference. I mean, one
slide transitions into another, and if those two slides have the same
background elements, you won't see the element transitioning in because of
the existing element. Does that make sense?

Just to see if I could force this "transition with black," I tried making a
copy of the background elements and pasting it on the slides themselves, and
they still weren't affected by the transition. If I changed the color of the
object, though, then it would be affected by the transition. I'd see one
color transition in on another color. So that all pretty much points to
stuff just transitioning in on top of itself (in a manner of speaking) and
so it's hiding the actual transition when the objects are essentially the
same color and in the same position.

The first slide transitions through black because there's not a slide in
front of it to transition from. If you put a black slide with a 00-second
automatic transition between the "real" slides, you'll get a checkerboard
all right! Try it also with a 00-second auto transition and no transition
effect.

This is why the push or cover transitions don't have this problem. The
entire slide is displaced in those transitions, so nothing's coming in on
top of itself. (That also depends on your background elements, of course.)

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

Hi,

I am using PowerPoint 2000. I went into the slide show menu, and then the
slide transition submenu in order to apply transitions to a presentation.

I am having problems with two types of slide transitions as follows:

1. Checkerboard Across -- I have applied this transition to three
consecutive slides. The first slide transitions perfectly. However, the two
remaining slides do not transition correctly, for only part of each slide
portrays the checkerboards going across.

This would be difficult to live with because it looks really goofy and
unprofessional.

2. Box Out -- I have applied this transition to eleven consecutive slides.
The first and second slides transition perfectly. However, the nine remaining
slides do not transition correctly, for a side bar that I have placed on the
second through eleventh slides is not part of the boxed out transitions.

It is almost as if the side bar from the second slide is memorized, so when
it reappears on the next slides, it is ignored by the transition command and
thus not part of the transition.

This does not look too bad, but I do prefer that it work correctly.

Please help me resolve these issues!

Thanks.

P.S. The Cover Right transition works perfectly throughout several
consecutive slides!

 

[Guest]

Hi, Brian!

You were definitely on the right track. Thanks.

 

[Echo S]

Hi, Adam --

Yes, I would expect to see any transition I applied to show up between
identical, adjacent slides. I do not see why I should not expect this.

Obviously, this is a quirk in an older version. I have used many
transitions in versions 2002 and 2003 with no such problems.

I'm glad to hear you got things sorted and found a workaround you can live
with, Kath, but I wanted to also mention that I don't think this is an issue
with older version vs newer version. I'm pretty sure the transitions work
the same way even in the newer versions of PPT.

My client will be upgrading to a newer version in September. I can
hardly wait!

I bet. It will make life much easier for you, I'm sure!

 

[Adam Crowley]

I'm glad to hear you got things sorted and found a workaround you can live
with, Kath, but I wanted to also mention that I don't think this is an issue
with older version vs newer version. I'm pretty sure the transitions work
the same way even in the newer versions of PPT.

Echo I'm so glad you said that, I was starting to think I was going mad.
PowerPoint has always behaved this way and I expect it always will; and most
other multimedia or video transitions for that matter.
I guess what you expect a transition to do depends on the way you think and
what seems logical to me may be unexpected to others.
I still don't understand why you'd expect to see a transition if 2
consecutive slides were identical, except when you use a transition such as
Cover or Push, which move the new slide into place rather than just
revealing it. If what you're revealing is the same as what you're replacing
then you won't see the difference.

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

Echo I'm so glad you said that, I was starting to think I was going mad.

PowerPoint has always behaved this way and I expect it always will; and most
other multimedia or video transitions for that matter.
I guess what you expect a transition to do depends on the way you think and
what seems logical to me may be unexpected to others.
I still don't understand why you'd expect to see a transition if 2
consecutive slides were identical, except when you use a transition such as
Cover or Push, which move the new slide into place rather than just
revealing it. If what you're revealing is the same as what you're replacing
then you won't see the difference.

And in fact we've *depended* on this exact behavior for years to make PPT
appear to be doing things it never used to be able to do (two identical slides,
add a new shape to the second, the transition between the slides makes only the
one different shape appear to be animated.

 

[Guest]

My client and I think it looks goofy to have only one part of the slide
transition, so it is obviously a matter of opinion. I am glad for the
workaround because I am being paid to make the client happy!

I wish we had the option of chosing either way for it to work, so if someone
out there in Microsoft land is looking at this, that is an official wish.

As to why I did not run into this problem with a newer version, I don't
know. It's a personal slide show, and I am at a client right now, so I cannot
research it. The next time I work on it, I will test it out a bit.

Well, have to get back to work. Thanks for the help. Have a nice summer.

 

[Adam Crowley]

Exactly, and most of the templates I create rely on the client's logo
keeping quiet in the corner and the background staying in place so that the
eyes don't get too distracted.

 

[Guest]

My client and I think it looks goofy to have only one part of the slide
transition, so it is obviously a matter of opinion. I am glad for the
workaround because I am being paid to make the client happy!

I wish we had the option of chosing either way for it to work, so if someone
out there in Microsoft land is looking at this, that is an official wish.

As to why I did not run into this problem with a newer version, I don't
know. It's a personal slide show, and I am at a client right now, so I cannot
research it. The next time I work on it, I will test it out a bit.

Well, have to get back to work. Thanks for the help. Have a nice summer.