Shame shame.

[BobS]

Frank,

You may be right so.....

1. Buy a Mac
2. Download a version of Linux
3. Drop back to XP (remember, the similar things were said about WinXP- and
worse - when it first came out)
4. Take up drinking

No matter, Vista isn't going away and your musings are falling on deaf ears
as far as MS is concerned and they will eventually fix what most *big* (read
Enterprise customers) want fixed. So you can educate yourself about Vista
or find a different solution that best fits your needs. Nope, I didn't
drink the MS Kool-Aid but this is the wrong place to complain. We already
purchased the product like you and those that want to return it for a
refund - can. Info is on the Vista site I believe or better yet, you could
donate it a charity organization of your choice and they'll find a home for
it.

Bob S.

 

[Frank M]

Having watched Microsoft evolve and improve it's OS over the years, XP was
the best and most stable. I thought that Vista would be at least an equal or
better. It is not. The so called security features impede productivity and
the ability to arrange ones Start folders the way they want. The Vista
advisor was wrong on at least 50% of my software as it bases it's findings
on installed software in the XP environment. The surprise comes when you go
to install that software in a full install Home Premium. Most will start and
just disappear or install and have problems when you start them. I am
talking about some expensive software too.
The indexer function has to go as it will surely run the hell out of and
shorten the life of any HDD. If you stop it, it will eventually start again
and the HDD activity is continuous even at what is supposed to be Idle. It
also uses a lot of the CPU Power and memory functions when it is running.
This is just a small sample of the problems I have experienced. Microsoft
should never have put this product on the market. They should recall them
and give me my money back. The compatibility issues that they state are
those of their arrogance. I have decided to boycott all future purchases of
Microsoft software after this blunder. It's not Vista it's Pista!

 

[Justin]

Having watched Microsoft evolve and improve it's OS over the years, XP was
the best and most stable.

Many would argue that W2K was the most stable.

The so called security features impede productivity

No way. Clicking a button does not impede. Plus you can turn it off.

The indexer function has to go as it will surely run the hell out of and
shorten the life of any HDD.
Ridiculous!

If you stop it, it will eventually start again

Not if you STOP it properly.

and the HDD activity is continuous even at what is supposed to be Idle. It

Then it's not supposed to be idle.

Microsoft should never have put this product on the market.

I'm glad they did.

They should recall them and give me my money back.

No! Not mine!!!

I have decided to boycott all future purchases of Microsoft software after
this blunder.

Bye-bye!

 

[kirk jim]

XP is far superior to Vista in all aspects.

I think people should ignore vista, and send a message to MS that
if they dont shape up and deliver what users want and need, they can ship
out.

MAC and LINUX are gaining speed... and others will pop out of nowhere fast.

Users have the internet now, and the ability to chose, things can change
rapidly..
and if they dont want to make good OS anymore, let them make room for the
ones
who do.

 

[kirk jim]

No way. Clicking a button does not impede. Plus you can turn it off.
Vista should then ask with a pop up balloon if you want UAC or not
and give a very easy way to turn the firkin thing off, because I can
guarantee
you that most people will not know how to turn it off, but they will
patiently keep pressing
the firkin thing until their hands fall off. (and of course they will be
pressing without reading,
because this is what humans do if they see a message 1000 times a day!) Can
you say cry wolf?

Ridiculous!

Ok let me send you a program then that will continuously read and write on
your disk 24/7.. lets
see how much less it will last! Can you say temperature, can you say energy?
You cant cant you?

Not if you STOP it properly.

Again MS has hidden the interfaced for indexing.. on XP there was a small
link on the search,
and by default it was off. Now default its on and they have no button.
This is a very very very very bad idea, that only a fanboy would like.

I'm glad they did.

No comment, because im trying to be polite today....

 

[Justin]

Vista should then ask with a pop up balloon if you want UAC or not
and give a very easy way to turn the firkin thing off, because I can
guarantee
you that most people will not know how to turn it off, but they will
patiently keep pressing
the firkin thing until their hands fall off. (and of course they will be
pressing without reading,
because this is what humans do if they see a message 1000 times a day!)
Can you say cry wolf?

1000? You are either completely ignorant of UAC or a drama queen by choice.
Your comment here is absurd at best.

Ok let me send you a program then that will continuously read and write on
your disk 24/7.. lets
see how much less it will last! Can you say temperature, can you say
energy? You cant cant you?

Wow, the absurdities continue. Who told you the indexing service actively
creates an index 24/7? Your comment here is absurd at best.

Again MS has hidden the interfaced for indexing.. on XP there was a small
link on the search,
and by default it was off. Now default its on and they have no button.
This is a very very very very bad idea, that only a fanboy would like.

Actually it's much easier to find those features in Vista then it is in XP.
You can go straight to services if you want to.

No comment, because im trying to be polite today....

Oh good.

 

[philo]

Having watched Microsoft evolve and improve it's OS over the years, XP was
the best and most stable. I thought that Vista would be at least an equal or
better. It is not. The so called security features impede productivity and
the ability to arrange ones Start folders the way they want. The Vista
advisor was wrong on at least 50% of my software as it bases it's findings
on installed software in the XP environment. The surprise comes when you go
to install that software in a full install Home Premium. Most will start and
just disappear or install and have problems when you start them. I am
talking about some expensive software too.

<snip>

Wow sorry to hear the bad news...
though I did a test install of Vista I'm still using XP and Win2K

Anyway if your DVD burner works you might as well back up all your data...
and test the DVD to be sure all your data is good...
then perform a fresh install of XP

 

[Adam Albright]

No way. Clicking a button does not impede. Plus you can turn it off.

Pushing the same button over and over to do routine tasks DOES impede
your workflow. Of course Justin never does any work, so he wouldn't
understand. It also defeats the purpose in case you're too dumb to
figure that out on your own. If a security "feature" can be bypassed
by simply clicking a button and users learn quickly that's all they
need to do, then soon they won't even bother to read a warning and
just force of habit click through or just turn UAC off. The bottom
line while UAC is a long overdue attempt to improve security it was
poorly implemented. For Pete's sake, this isn't rocket science.
Windows being SOFTWARE should be smart enough to know the different
between deleting a shortcut from the desktop or moving a file from one
drive to another without raising the same alarm it is suppose to for
any malware.

 

[kirk jim]

people end up pressing it without reading the message....

if you give a warning too many times you adapt to ignore it, so you can
complete
the task in hand faster... If you actually sit there and read the UAC
message each time
then you will be losing hours of work over a weeks time for example...

So this is no protection at all... and its a stupid, silly, annoying idea.

AND not everyone will find out how to turn it off...

 

[Justin]

Pushing the same button over and over to do routine tasks DOES impede
your workflow.

It's a good thing the UAC doesn't pop up on routine tasks. It's a good
thing you can turn it off!

Of course Justin never does any work, so he wouldn't
understand.

Read above.

It also defeats the purpose in case you're too dumb to
figure that out on your own.

Read above.

If a security "feature" can be bypassed
by simply clicking a button and users learn quickly that's all they
need to do, then soon they won't even bother to read a warning and
just force of habit click through or just turn UAC off.

Read above.

The bottom
line while UAC is a long overdue attempt to improve security it was
poorly implemented.

Read above.

For Pete's sake, this isn't rocket science.

No crap, read above.

Windows being SOFTWARE should be smart enough to know the different
between deleting a shortcut from the desktop or moving a file from one
drive to another without raising the same alarm it is suppose to for
any malware.

One drive to another? That doesn't happen to me. Read above.

 

[Justin]

people end up pressing it without reading the message....

if you give a warning too many times you adapt to ignore it, so you can
complete
the task in hand faster... If you actually sit there and read the UAC
message each time
then you will be losing hours of work over a weeks time for example...

It simply does not come up that often though. However, I agree about people
clicking ok regardless of what it is. They do that ANYWAY. Thus yahoo and
google toolbars are installed world wide!

So this is no protection at all... and its a stupid, silly, annoying idea.

I agree. It needs to be turned off until we find a way to limit it's
prompts.

 

[Adam Albright]

It's a good thing the UAC doesn't pop up on routine tasks.

Another example of your complete idiocy on all computer related
topics. Just because something isn't "routine" for you doesn't mean it
isn't for somebody else. For example I move hundreds of files around
all day, every day. Before I could defeat the nag screen Vista would
whine and nag constantly asking not once, but twice for every damn
file I tried to copy, move, delete or change the name of. If you don't
think that impedes your workflow it only confirms you don't use your
computer to do any real work.

I'm sorry if you're angry I exposed you as a total phony. I had no
idea your entire life revolves around trying to look important in this
backwater newsgroup. Again, sorry I burst your bubble kid. You still
got your rattle to play with don't ya?

One drive to another? That doesn't happen to me.

Again the wisdom of Justin. If it doesn't happen to him, then damn, it
can't be real, couldn't have happened, everybody but Justin must be
nuts. It seems you live in a universe of one. Maybe time you joined
the real world kid.

 

[Justin]

Adam once again proves he can not read!

Turn it off you moron!

 

[Justin]

I'm sorry if you're angry I exposed you as a total phony.

I like how you have to keep telling yourself this MANY times a day. Does it
calm you down? Does it make you feel at peace?

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

 

[NoStop]

Another example of your complete idiocy on all computer related
topics. Just because something isn't "routine" for you doesn't mean it
isn't for somebody else. For example I move hundreds of files around
all day, every day. Before I could defeat the nag screen Vista would
whine and nag constantly asking not once, but twice for every damn
file I tried to copy, move, delete or change the name of. If you don't
think that impedes your workflow it only confirms you don't use your
computer to do any real work.

I'm sorry if you're angry I exposed you as a total phony. I had no
idea your entire life revolves around trying to look important in this
backwater newsgroup. Again, sorry I burst your bubble kid. You still
got your rattle to play with don't ya?


Again the wisdom of Justin. If it doesn't happen to him, then damn, it
can't be real, couldn't have happened, everybody but Justin must be
nuts. It seems you live in a universe of one. Maybe time you joined
the real world kid.

Justin probably just turned off the UAC being the Wintard that he is. So
much for MickeyMouse's attempt at adding more security to its toy operating
system. Justin has just defeated it. Now he preaches that everyone else
should follow in his footsteps.

Cheers.

--
The "Wow" starts now.

Windows is not a virus! Viruses are small, efficient and built to get a job
done. Windows on the other hand ...

 

[Justin]

Justin probably just turned off the UAC being the Wintard that he is. So
much for MickeyMouse's attempt at adding more security to its toy
operating
system. Justin has just defeated it. Now he preaches that everyone else
should follow in his footsteps.

Much like your buddy adam, you are wrong. I keep it on. I hardly ever have
prompts. I do however turn it off in the office. It takes all of 25
minutes to restore a machine so I don't care about the workstations. No
data is kept on them anyway. Until a way to lower what activates the UAC,
it'll remain off. However at home, I wonder to much on the internet and I
dare not turn it off.

If someone is going to cry like a baby about it though, then YEAH! Turn it
off and shut the hell up. Or grow up and deal with it until a fix is
presented. Or move away from Vista. Crying about it wont help any.

 

[NoStop]

It simply does not come up that often though. However, I agree about
people
clicking ok regardless of what it is. They do that ANYWAY. Thus yahoo
and google toolbars are installed world wide!


I agree. It needs to be turned off until we find a way to limit it's
prompts.

What's this "we" thing Justin? Like you'd ever be capable of being able to
improve on MickeyMouse's attempts at security. You do have a large ego. Too
bad you've proven your computer talents don't warrant the high regard you
appear to have for yourself.

Cheers.

--
The "Wow" starts now.

Windows is not a virus! Viruses are small, efficient and built to get a job
done. Windows on the other hand ...

 

[NoStop]

Frank,

You may be right so.....

1. Buy a Mac
2. Download a version of Linux
3. Drop back to XP (remember, the similar things were said about WinXP-
and worse - when it first came out)
4. Take up drinking

No matter, Vista isn't going away and your musings are falling on deaf
ears as far as MS is concerned and they will eventually fix what most
*big* (read
Enterprise customers) want fixed. So you can educate yourself about Vista
or find a different solution that best fits your needs. Nope, I didn't
drink the MS Kool-Aid but this is the wrong place to complain. We already
purchased the product like you and those that want to return it for a
refund - can. Info is on the Vista site I believe or better yet, you
could donate it a charity organization of your choice and they'll find a
home for it.

Generally giving to charity is a charitable act. Giving anyone Fista is the
antithesis of that.

Bob S.
Cheers.

--
The "Wow" starts now.

Windows is not a virus! Viruses are small, efficient and built to get a job
done. Windows on the other hand ...

 

[Justin]

What's this "we" thing Justin? Like you'd ever be capable of being able to
improve on MickeyMouse's attempts at security. You do have a large ego.
Too
bad you've proven your computer talents don't warrant the high regard you
appear to have for yourself.

We being the computer industry/community you idiot. Removing your foot from
your mouth might help you to type better comments.

 

[kirk jim]

Justin has a youthful attitude fresh with excitement...

Perhaps he has much to teach us.. perhaps we are really getting old... and
cranky.

Perhaps he has the winner attitude that says "we must go forth with what we
have,
there is no use in crying about spilled milk"

I would freak out if I would catch myself to be resistant to change...
I don't want to be resistant to change as long as its good change...

But is my focus on the bad aspects of vista doing any good?
I am sure its not... focus on negative aspects of a thing creates negative
results.

Justin also has shown some flexibility in his views... and that is good...

we must always have an open mind... and it may come to a surprise to you
all,
even though I have insulted vista like no other human on earth, I secretly
want it
to be a good OS.. for everyone's benefit.