Vista SP1 "tries to hide the Ultimate Extras shame"


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Tiberius

I have included the text but the article on the page has images also so it
would be better to view it there:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=806

While many are waiting on Windows Vista SP1 to come along to knock off some
of Vista's rough corners, it seems that some at Microsoft will welcome the
release too - specifically Microsoft's Windows Ultimate group.
Long Zheng explains why:
On a related note, Windows Vista Service Pack 1 even tries to hide the
Ultimate Extras shame by removing much of the information in the Control
Panel applet. This is what you see in the current RTM version about Ultimate
Extras.

This dramatic change to the wording is basically Microsoft's way of trying
to pull the curtain on the cornucopia of Windows Ultimate Extras that were
initially promised to customers. Forget the "cutting-edge programs," the
"innovative services" and "unique publications" because there aren't any.
If you're still holding out hope for any exciting Extras, you might as well
give up now because it doesn't look like we'll be seeing any. Face up to
it, if you bought Windows Vista Ultimate because you hoped to get your hands
on cool Extras, you were conned, and being conned sucks.
So far the Extras that we have seen have been dismal and the ones that are
allegedly still in the pipeline (a final release of DreamScenes and a
handful of language packs) are even more dreary and uninspiring, and that's
if we ever see them (actually, not seeing them might be better). The
unofficial Powertoys that Microsoft made available for previous versions of
Windows were a lot more exciting (and useful).
Anyone else feel conned?
 
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Synapse Syndrome

Tiberius said:
I have included the text but the article on the page has images also so it
would be better to view it there:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=806


I bought Ultimate, but I never expected anything much out of the Ultimate
Extras, and I think that anybody that did, is gullible. If any of these
extras had any real worth, they would be made available to all versions, to
make Vista more appealing in general.

And the fact that these Ultimate Extras are a replacement for the Plus!
packs is confusing, as power-users were never interested in the rubbish that
was included in them.

ss.
 
S

Synapse Syndrome

Tiberius said:
why did you get ultimate then?

media center plus remote desktop and IIS?

I've been using NT since Win2000 first came out, and use XP Pro, so I didn't
even think about getting a version with crippled networking. I use user
groups on my LAN, as well as Remote Desktop when away, and at home.

I only use IIS on my Windows 2003 Server, which I am in not in any hurry at
all to upgrade to 2008.

This old ThinkPad X31 is due for a replacement, and I am thinking about
getting an X61 with XP Pro, as Bitlocker is the only compelling reason to
get Vista instead. My apps just run better with XP, even though I am happy
enough using Vista on my main desktop computer, which is very powerful.

ss.
 
G

Gary Mount

Isn't IIS included in Home Premium? In my Vista Home Premium it is listed in
the Turn Windows features on or off section.
 
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Brian W

Tiberius said:
I have included the text but the article on the page has images also so it
would be better to view it there:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=806

While many are waiting on Windows Vista SP1 to come along to knock off
some of Vista's rough corners, it seems that some at Microsoft will
welcome the release too - specifically Microsoft's Windows Ultimate group.
Long Zheng explains why:
On a related note, Windows Vista Service Pack 1 even tries to hide the
Ultimate Extras shame by removing much of the information in the Control
Panel applet. This is what you see in the current RTM version about
Ultimate Extras.

This dramatic change to the wording is basically Microsoft's way of trying
to pull the curtain on the cornucopia of Windows Ultimate Extras that were
initially promised to customers. Forget the "cutting-edge programs," the
"innovative services" and "unique publications" because there aren't any.
If you're still holding out hope for any exciting Extras, you might as
well give up now because it doesn't look like we'll be seeing any. Face
up to it, if you bought Windows Vista Ultimate because you hoped to get
your hands on cool Extras, you were conned, and being conned sucks.
So far the Extras that we have seen have been dismal and the ones that are
allegedly still in the pipeline (a final release of DreamScenes and a
handful of language packs) are even more dreary and uninspiring, and
that's if we ever see them (actually, not seeing them might be better).
The unofficial Powertoys that Microsoft made available for previous
versions of Windows were a lot more exciting (and useful).
Anyone else feel conned?
I bought Ultimate for the Media Center, Complete PC Backup and file
shadow-copy features
 
S

Saucy

Tiberius said:
I have included the text but the article on the page has images also so it
would be better to view it there:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=806

While many are waiting on Windows Vista SP1 to come along to knock off
some of Vista's rough corners, it seems that some at Microsoft will
welcome the release too - specifically Microsoft's Windows Ultimate group.
Long Zheng explains why:
On a related note, Windows Vista Service Pack 1 even tries to hide the
Ultimate Extras shame by removing much of the information in the Control
Panel applet. This is what you see in the current RTM version about
Ultimate Extras.

This dramatic change to the wording is basically Microsoft's way of trying
to pull the curtain on the cornucopia of Windows Ultimate Extras that were
initially promised to customers. Forget the "cutting-edge programs," the
"innovative services" and "unique publications" because there aren't any.
If you're still holding out hope for any exciting Extras, you might as
well give up now because it doesn't look like we'll be seeing any. Face
up to it, if you bought Windows Vista Ultimate because you hoped to get
your hands on cool Extras, you were conned, and being conned sucks.
So far the Extras that we have seen have been dismal and the ones that are
allegedly still in the pipeline (a final release of DreamScenes and a
handful of language packs) are even more dreary and uninspiring, and
that's if we ever see them (actually, not seeing them might be better).
The unofficial Powertoys that Microsoft made available for previous
versions of Windows were a lot more exciting (and useful).
Anyone else feel conned?



They should come up with Extras. Another thing that could be arrange through
the Extras is a defragger with visual feedback. I already suggested a number
of things to them. I hope they keep their side of the deal ..

Saucy
 
C

Charlie Tame

Saucy said:
They should come up with Extras. Another thing that could be arrange
through the Extras is a defragger with visual feedback. I already
suggested a number of things to them. I hope they keep their side of the
deal ..

Saucy


If it had visual feedback you would be able to see what it is(n't) doing
for you...
 
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Guest

That's a little strong. I've been using computers for quite a while, and I
did trust Microsoft to keep its word regarding Ultimate Extras. It was, among
many of the other items, one of the reasons I bought Vista Ultimate. For you
to blame the user for Microsoft's inability to keep its word is silly.

MBO
 
S

smithy

I brought Ulimate, frankly maybe we should start a class action against
microsoft as this is obviously a marketing con.

smithy
 
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Guest

Hi Smithy,

My thinking is that is one of the reasons for the blog entry by one of the
developers: that they recognize this is a problem that could haunt Microsoft
and now they have to deal with it. At least, I hope so.

Overall, I think Microsoft is a great company, but sometimes they need to be
held to account - like anyone who promises something and then doesn't deliver.

Regards,

MBO
 
S

SteveC

A rebate would be the way to go with this. Most customers wouldn't bother and it would placate the others.
Tiberius said:
I have included the text but the article on the page has images also so it
would be better to view it there:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=806

While many are waiting on Windows Vista SP1 to come along to knock off
some of Vista's rough corners, it seems that some at Microsoft will
welcome the release too - specifically Microsoft's Windows Ultimate group.
Long Zheng explains why:
On a related note, Windows Vista Service Pack 1 even tries to hide the
Ultimate Extras shame by removing much of the information in the Control
Panel applet. This is what you see in the current RTM version about
Ultimate Extras.

This dramatic change to the wording is basically Microsoft's way of trying
to pull the curtain on the cornucopia of Windows Ultimate Extras that were
initially promised to customers. Forget the "cutting-edge programs," the
"innovative services" and "unique publications" because there aren't any.
If you're still holding out hope for any exciting Extras, you might as
well give up now because it doesn't look like we'll be seeing any. Face
up to it, if you bought Windows Vista Ultimate because you hoped to get
your hands on cool Extras, you were conned, and being conned sucks.
So far the Extras that we have seen have been dismal and the ones that are
allegedly still in the pipeline (a final release of DreamScenes and a
handful of language packs) are even more dreary and uninspiring, and
that's if we ever see them (actually, not seeing them might be better).
The unofficial Powertoys that Microsoft made available for previous
versions of Windows were a lot more exciting (and useful).
Anyone else feel conned?



They should come up with Extras. Another thing that could be arrange through
the Extras is a defragger with visual feedback. I already suggested a number
of things to them. I hope they keep their side of the deal ..

Saucy
 
P

parabola

I disagree. I disagree with all the negativity and hype associated with
such posts and comments. I believe the critics are too critical. Vista is
what it is. It's better than any other version of Windows. The Mac OS
people campare. The Linux crowd compare. he Windoze crowd compares. It is
rediculous! Vista is wonderful. I like it a lot. I have no problems and
my machine is running perfectly. I disagree.

- Brett

Charlie Tame said:
If it had visual feedback you would be able to see what it is(n't) doing
for you...

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AlexB

You put it too mildly, parabola. This anti-Vista crowd is a criminal bunch.
They are a mixture of crooks with some on-campus anti-MS counterculture.
They all use MS for their if*king needs but pretend that they are forced to
do it by the hateful capitalist system.

Linux market share is exactly 0.0%. All the inflated figures they quote, the
most reliable is 2.9% come from sales in third world countries and "New
Democracies" like Poland, Russia and Romania. They buy DELL computers with
Linux and replace them with pirated Windows next day but if you give the
shop owner a tip he will do it for you before you dragged your Linux home.

Those scummy West Costa "Intellectual," a campus mold, who loud their hate
for MS use pirated copies as well.

It is a criminal network, and Ubuntu is a part of it.

Windows Vista exceeded 10% of market share as of Jan 8, 2008 and it is
steadily growing.
 
B

Bobby McNulty

Most of the Linux crowd are commies any way.

AlexB said:
You put it too mildly, parabola. This anti-Vista crowd is a criminal
bunch. They are a mixture of crooks with some on-campus anti-MS
counterculture. They all use MS for their if*king needs but pretend that
they are forced to do it by the hateful capitalist system.

Linux market share is exactly 0.0%. All the inflated figures they quote,
the most reliable is 2.9% come from sales in third world countries and
"New Democracies" like Poland, Russia and Romania. They buy DELL computers
with Linux and replace them with pirated Windows next day but if you give
the shop owner a tip he will do it for you before you dragged your Linux
home.

Those scummy West Costa "Intellectual," a campus mold, who loud their hate
for MS use pirated copies as well.

It is a criminal network, and Ubuntu is a part of it.

Windows Vista exceeded 10% of market share as of Jan 8, 2008 and it is
steadily growing.
 
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Donald L McDaniel

Most of the Linux crowd are commies any way.

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby...
I doubt very seriously whether any of the Linux crowd have an inkling
of what a "commie" is.

They're nothing but a bunch of hobbyists, cheapskates, malcontents,
posers, and anarchists, not "commies". i.e.; nothing but a bunch of
hateful, whining kids, who have too much time and/or too little/too
much money on their hands to ever commit to changing the world for the
better as the Communists did, misguided as they were. Yet even they
have learned that wealth is better than government-ordained poverty,
that it's good for a man to own his own land, and that honest labor
always has a good return in the Market, and a man is always worthy of
and entitled to a good and fair return for his honest labor.

i.e., "posers"

But very few of them even understand or know what the "capitalist
system" they claim to hate IS. These idiots know absolutely nothing
about the "hateful capitalist system" they love to denigrate
everywhere, with every chance they get.

i.e., "posers-major".

I assume you are rounding down the actual percentage to a statistical
zero. But you would still be mistaken. Do a litte more research.


So, what's wrong with "intellectuals", anyway?
All advances made by Human beings have been made by these same
"intellectuals" you seem to hate even more than you claim they hate
Microsoft.


Those are very strong words, AlexB.
And they require solid proof, not unsupported allegations.

I think the figure is more like 40%, but I am probably wrong, as
usual.

Brett, nothing is perfect in this world of imperfect men. After all,
a computer can only work with what is put into it by a man.

Men, who are imperfect, can never produce a thing which is perfect.

But each man has his own opinion, friend, and is certainly entitled to
it.

It is good to get ragging from others about our opinions: It keeps us
on our toes, and helps us to work harder at validating what we say.
If we truly want to educate the Public, rather than blow off steam, we
need to really do our research fastidiously.

If Microsoft never got criticism, no matter how heavy, Microsoft would
never meet the Public on their level, and answer their concerns and
fears. They would never seek to make their software better
technologically, as well as more useable by their customers.

So do not worry when Microsoft gets a bad name in the Press, or gets a
lot of negative comments in its own usergroups. I feel confident that
these groups are a huge source of valuable information which will make
Vista better with time -- sometimes within a few hours or days,
sometimes years. But Vista will improve with age and use, and its
successor, Windows 7, will have the best of Vista with the newest
technology, and hopefully, a new kernel optimized for multiple core
CPUs and much larger amounts of memory and hard drives.

Let's face it: the era of single-core CPUs is over for all intents and
purposes.

Anyway, that's my "two cents"...

Donald L McDaniel
 
B

Bobby McNulty

I was kidding.
Donald L McDaniel said:
Bobby, Bobby, Bobby...
I doubt very seriously whether any of the Linux crowd have an inkling
of what a "commie" is.

They're nothing but a bunch of hobbyists, cheapskates, malcontents,
posers, and anarchists, not "commies". i.e.; nothing but a bunch of
hateful, whining kids, who have too much time and/or too little/too
much money on their hands to ever commit to changing the world for the
better as the Communists did, misguided as they were. Yet even they
have learned that wealth is better than government-ordained poverty,
that it's good for a man to own his own land, and that honest labor
always has a good return in the Market, and a man is always worthy of
and entitled to a good and fair return for his honest labor.


i.e., "posers"

But very few of them even understand or know what the "capitalist
system" they claim to hate IS. These idiots know absolutely nothing
about the "hateful capitalist system" they love to denigrate
everywhere, with every chance they get.

i.e., "posers-major".


I assume you are rounding down the actual percentage to a statistical
zero. But you would still be mistaken. Do a litte more research.



So, what's wrong with "intellectuals", anyway?
All advances made by Human beings have been made by these same
"intellectuals" you seem to hate even more than you claim they hate
Microsoft.



Those are very strong words, AlexB.
And they require solid proof, not unsupported allegations.


I think the figure is more like 40%, but I am probably wrong, as
usual.


Brett, nothing is perfect in this world of imperfect men. After all,
a computer can only work with what is put into it by a man.

Men, who are imperfect, can never produce a thing which is perfect.

But each man has his own opinion, friend, and is certainly entitled to
it.

It is good to get ragging from others about our opinions: It keeps us
on our toes, and helps us to work harder at validating what we say.
If we truly want to educate the Public, rather than blow off steam, we
need to really do our research fastidiously.

If Microsoft never got criticism, no matter how heavy, Microsoft would
never meet the Public on their level, and answer their concerns and
fears. They would never seek to make their software better
technologically, as well as more useable by their customers.

So do not worry when Microsoft gets a bad name in the Press, or gets a
lot of negative comments in its own usergroups. I feel confident that
these groups are a huge source of valuable information which will make
Vista better with time -- sometimes within a few hours or days,
sometimes years. But Vista will improve with age and use, and its
successor, Windows 7, will have the best of Vista with the newest
technology, and hopefully, a new kernel optimized for multiple core
CPUs and much larger amounts of memory and hard drives.

Let's face it: the era of single-core CPUs is over for all intents and
purposes.

Anyway, that's my "two cents"...

Donald L McDaniel
 
S

Synapse Syndrome

AlexB said:
You put it too mildly, parabola. This anti-Vista crowd is a criminal
bunch. They are a mixture of crooks with some on-campus anti-MS
counterculture. They all use MS for their if*king needs but pretend that
they are forced to do it by the hateful capitalist system.

Linux market share is exactly 0.0%. All the inflated figures they quote,
the most reliable is 2.9% come from sales in third world countries and
"New Democracies" like Poland, Russia and Romania. They buy DELL computers
with Linux and replace them with pirated Windows next day but if you give
the shop owner a tip he will do it for you before you dragged your Linux
home.

Those scummy West Costa "Intellectual," a campus mold, who loud their hate
for MS use pirated copies as well.

It is a criminal network, and Ubuntu is a part of it.

Windows Vista exceeded 10% of market share as of Jan 8, 2008 and it is
steadily growing.


LOL. Where did this idiot n00b come from?

ss.
 
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The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly

Donald said:
Bobby, Bobby, Bobby...
I doubt very seriously whether any of the Linux crowd have an inkling
of what a "commie" is.

They're nothing but a bunch of hobbyists, cheapskates, malcontents,
posers, and anarchists, not "commies". i.e.; nothing but a bunch of
hateful, whining kids, who have too much time and/or too little/too
much money on their hands to ever commit to changing the world for the
better as the Communists did, misguided as they were.

So you are prejudiced too.
Yet even they
have learned that wealth is better than government-ordained poverty,
that it's good for a man to own his own land, and that honest labor
always has a good return in the Market, and a man is always worthy of
and entitled to a good and fair return for his honest labor.


i.e., "posers"

But very few of them even understand or know what the "capitalist
system" they claim to hate IS. These idiots know absolutely nothing
about the "hateful capitalist system" they love to denigrate
everywhere, with every chance they get.

i.e., "posers-major".


I assume you are rounding down the actual percentage to a statistical
zero. But you would still be mistaken. Do a litte more research.



So, what's wrong with "intellectuals", anyway?
All advances made by Human beings have been made by these same
"intellectuals" you seem to hate even more than you claim they hate
Microsoft.



Those are very strong words, AlexB.
And they require solid proof, not unsupported allegations.


I think the figure is more like 40%, but I am probably wrong, as
usual.


Brett, nothing is perfect in this world of imperfect men. After all,
a computer can only work with what is put into it by a man.

Men, who are imperfect, can never produce a thing which is perfect.

But each man has his own opinion, friend, and is certainly entitled to
it.

It is good to get ragging from others about our opinions: It keeps us
on our toes, and helps us to work harder at validating what we say.

So why do you give me a hard time about it?!
If we truly want to educate the Public, rather than blow off steam, we
need to really do our research fastidiously.

If Microsoft never got criticism, no matter how heavy, Microsoft would
never meet the Public on their level, and answer their concerns and
fears. They would never seek to make their software better
technologically, as well as more useable by their customers.

So do not worry when Microsoft gets a bad name in the Press, or gets a
lot of negative comments in its own usergroups. I feel confident that
these groups are a huge source of valuable information which will make
Vista better with time -- sometimes within a few hours or days,
sometimes years. But Vista will improve with age and use, and its
successor, Windows 7, will have the best of Vista with the newest
technology, and hopefully, a new kernel optimized for multiple core
CPUs and much larger amounts of memory and hard drives.

Let's face it: the era of single-core CPUs is over for all intents and
purposes.

Anyway, that's my "two cents"...

Donald L McDaniel


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