Scanner Software Instructions say to Uninstall MS.NET Framework 1.1 (??)

[DSG]

I am uninstalling my scanner with the company's instructions, using
Add/Remove.
It involves uninstalling management software, driver, scanner, and
Microsoft.NET Framework 1.1. The instructions assume I'm going to re-install
the software.

Not sure what NetFramework 1.1 is, but think it is an application where
other software is developed, not just the scanner software.

I want to try and use the WIATwain (Windows Image Acquisition) driver
instead of 189 MB of software I don't use and don't want, just to get the
driver (during the software installation, the scanner driver gets extracted
and installed - I seem to have no access to it).

If I uninstall .NET FrameWork, what happens to the other software on my
computer (in case there is any that uses it? I also have the KB886903
Hotfix that came later.
Please advise what to do ABOUT NET Framework and the hotfix.

 

[Yves Leclerc]

Framework is a "free" programming language that Microsoft has give to Windows
XP. Framework is usually considered a Windows Update and would probably be
re-offered to you as an update.

 

[DSG]

Thank you, Yves. I just got this week's windows update this morning, so it
won't be around until next Friday. Does NET Framework have to reside on my
computer for other programs to access?

: Framework is a "free" programming language that Microsoft has give to
Windows
: XP. Framework is usually considered a Windows Update and would probably
be
: re-offered to you as an update.
:
:
: >I am uninstalling my scanner with the company's instructions, using
: >Add/Remove.
: >It involves uninstalling management software, driver, scanner, and
: >Microsoft.NET Framework 1.1. The instructions assume I'm going to
re-install
: >the software.
: >
: >Not sure what NetFramework 1.1 is, but think it is an application where
: >other software is developed, not just the scanner software.
: >
: >I want to try and use the WIATwain (Windows Image Acquisition) driver
: >instead of 189 MB of software I don't use and don't want, just to get the
: >driver (during the software installation, the scanner driver gets
extracted
: >and installed - I seem to have no access to it).
: >
: >If I uninstall .NET FrameWork, what happens to the other software on my
: >computer (in case there is any that uses it? I also have the KB886903
: >Hotfix that came later.
: >Please advise what to do ABOUT NET Framework and the hotfix.
: >
: >
:
: --
: ---
:
: Y.
:

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Framework is a "free" programming language that Microsoft has give to
Windows XP. Framework is usually considered a Windows Update and
would probably be re-offered to you as an update.

No, this isn't correct. First of all, there's nothing called "Framework,"
it's ".net framework." Second, the programming language is ".net," not
"framework," and it isn't free.

Unlike .net itself, the .net framework is free, but as I said, is not itself
a programming language. The .net framework is a runtime file needed to run
programs written with .net. It's roughly analogous to the old vbrunXXX.dll
files needed to run programs written in Visual Basic.

 

[DSG]

Thanks, Ken for clarifying.

So, If I uninstall .NET Framework 1.1 which came with Windows Updates, and
its Hotfix KB886903 that came later, what happens to the other software on
my computer (that uses it)? I do *not* want to install the bloated program I
don't use, just to get the scanner driver; I want to see if my programs can
access WIA for the scanner.

I don't know enough about what would happen to my system if I just avoided
uninstalling .NET Framework 1.1. I have a plan to run a registry cleaner
following Add/Remove of scanner and its software, as well as uninstalling
two more problematic programs which are known for leaving trash in the
registry. That's when I'm afraid I would have to be dealing with any 'hooks'
related to .NET Framework 1.1, or leaving the other programs without this
support.

So are the (below) programs 'using' my copy of .NET Framework 1.1 to run
theirs? Or is .NET Framework 1.1 just tools, in case someone on my computer
wanted to make some adjustments?
I looked at the .NET Framework 1.1 configuration file and it shows how I
could manage five specific tasks. I don't plan on getting involved in those
kinds of tasks.

Or what would happen if I do have to uninstall .NET Framework 1.1) I see it
is available as a Microsoft download (a redistributable package), but not
sure I'm qualified to make these decisions.

I did an explorer search for "framework" and it looks like:
-- the HP scanner software uses .NET Framework 1.1 in its configuration for
PrintApp Specs.
-- Google Earth has 'componentFramework.dll and moduleFramework.dll
-- McAfee has nunit.framework.dll (for its Backup module?)
-- Windows uses it in Administration Tools for two tasks (.Net Security and
Trust an Assembly) and to fix an application.

Please advise.




: Yves Leclerc wrote:
:
: > Framework is a "free" programming language that Microsoft has give to
: > Windows XP. Framework is usually considered a Windows Update and
: > would probably be re-offered to you as an update.
:
:
: No, this isn't correct. First of all, there's nothing called "Framework,"
: it's ".net framework." Second, the programming language is ".net," not
: "framework," and it isn't free.
:
: Unlike .net itself, the .net framework is free, but as I said, is not
itself
: a programming language. The .net framework is a runtime file needed to run
: programs written with .net. It's roughly analogous to the old vbrunXXX.dll
: files needed to run programs written in Visual Basic.
:
: --
: Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
: Please reply to the newsgroup
:
:
:
: >> I am uninstalling my scanner with the company's instructions, using
: >> Add/Remove.
: >> It involves uninstalling management software, driver, scanner, and
: >> Microsoft.NET Framework 1.1. The instructions assume I'm going to
: >> re-install the software.
: >>
: >> Not sure what NetFramework 1.1 is, but think it is an application
: >> where other software is developed, not just the scanner software.
: >>
: >> I want to try and use the WIATwain (Windows Image Acquisition) driver
: >> instead of 189 MB of software I don't use and don't want, just to
: >> get the driver (during the software installation, the scanner driver
: >> gets extracted and installed - I seem to have no access to it).
: >>
: >> If I uninstall .NET FrameWork, what happens to the other software
: >> on my computer (in case there is any that uses it? I also have the
: >> KB886903 Hotfix that came later.
: >> Please advise what to do ABOUT NET Framework and the hotfix.
:
:

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Thanks, Ken for clarifying.

You're welcome. Glad to help.

So, If I uninstall .NET Framework 1.1 which came with Windows
Updates, and its Hotfix KB886903 that came later,

Why do you want to do this? I think it's a good idea to have both .net
framework 1.1 and 2.0 (2.0 doesn't replace 1.1) installed, so it's there for
any programs that need it.

what happens to the
other software on my computer (that uses it)?

They won't work, of course. I don't know whether you have other programs
that use it now, but even if you don't, more and more of are appearing on
the scene, so if you don't have any now, you probably will soon. That's why
I recommend that everyone have these installed.

I do *not* want to
install the bloated program I don't use,

What bloated program?The .net framework? I wouldn't call it "bloated"; it
uses a very small amount of disk space and doesn't hurt you in any way. As I
said, even if you don't need it today, you almost cetrainly will need it
soon. I would just leave it in place.

just to get the scanner
driver; I want to see if my programs can access WIA for the scanner.

I don't know enough about what would happen to my system if I just
avoided uninstalling .NET Framework 1.1

Nothing. Leave it in place, as I said.

. I have a plan to run a
registry cleaner following Add/Remove of scanner and its software, as

I would strongly advise that you do *not* do that. I always recommend
against the routine use of registry cleaners. Routine cleaning of the
registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't
use a registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of
registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry
entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit it may
have.

 

[DSG]

Thank you again, Ken. I will try to clarify.

Ken asked, why do you want to (uninstall .NET Framework 1.1)?

I reply, "Because I'm confused why the HP instructions said to do that. I
quote: "5. Double-click Add/Remove Programs, select Microsoft .Net Framework
1.1 and click Remove..."

It is as though their software is the only one that uses .NET Framework.1.1
on my computer.

Ken's note: "I don't know whether you have other programs that use it
now..."

I reply: Ken, after reading your notes, I went back to the Internet and
thought I should see what I could find about .NET framework. Your comments
assured me I was on the right track about questioning the uninstallation of
..NET Framework 1.1. I learned enough to come back to my computer and open up
..NET and look around. And then, as I mentioned in my last message, ...I used
Windows Explorer for a search on my computer using "framework" as my key
word. I found I have at least four programs on my computer that use it:

(1) the HP scanner software uses .NET Framework 1.1 in its configuration
for PrintApp Specs.
(2) Google Earth has 'componentFramework.dll and moduleFramework.dll
(3) McAfee has nunit.framework.dll (for its Backup module?)
(4) Windows uses it in Administration Tools for three tasks (.Net Security
and Trust an Assembly) (and to fix an application).

So I was right all along, wasn't I, to question?

Ken asked: "What bloated program?"

I reply, the bloated program is HP's Image Zone software (193 MB). I have my
own routine about scanning, and I have no use for Image Zone. I do graphics
and photo editing and I have not found a use for the Image Zone's
appllications. Apparently the driver for my scanner (HP 4070 Phtosmart)
cannot be acquired separately (3.37 MB), and was extracted while the 193 MB
was installing. It used to be that one could open up the CD and install just
the driver. I could not find an access to the CD directory.

I thank you for your final comments about not using a registry cleaner. I
have never used one and it has always seemed scary to me, so I will just
take that off the docket. Thank you again for responding and confirming what
I suspected. This has been a helpful study.

dsg
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: DSG wrote:
:
: > Thanks, Ken for clarifying.
:
:
: You're welcome. Glad to help.
:
:
: > So, If I uninstall .NET Framework 1.1 which came with Windows
: > Updates, and its Hotfix KB886903 that came later,
:
:
: Why do you want to do this? I think it's a good idea to have both .net
: framework 1.1 and 2.0 (2.0 doesn't replace 1.1) installed, so it's there
for
: any programs that need it.
:
:
: > what happens to the
: > other software on my computer (that uses it)?
:
:
: They won't work, of course. I don't know whether you have other programs
: that use it now, but even if you don't, more and more of are appearing on
: the scene, so if you don't have any now, you probably will soon. That's
why
: I recommend that everyone have these installed.
:
:
: > I do *not* want to
: > install the bloated program I don't use,
:
:
: What bloated program?The .net framework? I wouldn't call it "bloated"; it
: uses a very small amount of disk space and doesn't hurt you in any way. As
I
: said, even if you don't need it today, you almost cetrainly will need it
: soon. I would just leave it in place.
:
:
:
: > just to get the scanner
: > driver; I want to see if my programs can access WIA for the scanner.
: >
: > I don't know enough about what would happen to my system if I just
: > avoided uninstalling .NET Framework 1.1
:
:
: Nothing. Leave it in place, as I said.
:
:
: >. I have a plan to run a
: > registry cleaner following Add/Remove of scanner and its software, as
:
:
: I would strongly advise that you do *not* do that. I always recommend
: against the routine use of registry cleaners. Routine cleaning of the
: registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't
: use a registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors
of
: registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry
: entries doesn't really hurt you.
:
: The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
: removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit it
may
: have.
:
: --
: Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
: Please reply to the newsgroup
:
:
: > well as uninstalling two more problematic programs which are known
: > for leaving trash in the registry. That's when I'm afraid I would
: > have to be dealing with any 'hooks' related to .NET Framework 1.1, or
: > leaving the other programs without this support.
: >
: > So are the (below) programs 'using' my copy of .NET Framework 1.1 to
: > run theirs? Or is .NET Framework 1.1 just tools, in case someone on
: > my computer wanted to make some adjustments?
: > I looked at the .NET Framework 1.1 configuration file and it shows
: > how I could manage five specific tasks. I don't plan on getting
: > involved in those kinds of tasks.
: >
: > Or what would happen if I do have to uninstall .NET Framework 1.1) I
: > see it is available as a Microsoft download (a redistributable
: > package), but not sure I'm qualified to make these decisions.
: >
: > I did an explorer search for "framework" and it looks like:
: > -- the HP scanner software uses .NET Framework 1.1 in its
: > configuration for PrintApp Specs.
: > -- Google Earth has 'componentFramework.dll and moduleFramework.dll
: > -- McAfee has nunit.framework.dll (for its Backup module?)
: > -- Windows uses it in Administration Tools for two tasks (.Net
: > Security and Trust an Assembly) and to fix an application.
: >
: > Please advise.
: >
: >
: >
: >
: > : >> Yves Leclerc wrote:
: >>
: >>> Framework is a "free" programming language that Microsoft has give
: >>> to Windows XP. Framework is usually considered a Windows Update and
: >>> would probably be re-offered to you as an update.
: >>
: >>
: >> No, this isn't correct. First of all, there's nothing called
: >> "Framework," it's ".net framework." Second, the programming language
: >> is ".net," not "framework," and it isn't free.
: >>
: >> Unlike .net itself, the .net framework is free, but as I said, is
: >> not itself a programming language. The .net framework is a runtime
: >> file needed to run programs written with .net. It's roughly
: >> analogous to the old vbrunXXX.dll files needed to run programs
: >> written in Visual Basic.
: >>
: >> --
: >> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
: >> Please reply to the newsgroup
: >>
: >>
: >>
: >>>> I am uninstalling my scanner with the company's instructions, using
: >>>> Add/Remove.
: >>>> It involves uninstalling management software, driver, scanner, and
: >>>> Microsoft.NET Framework 1.1. The instructions assume I'm going to
: >>>> re-install the software.
: >>>>
: >>>> Not sure what NetFramework 1.1 is, but think it is an application
: >>>> where other software is developed, not just the scanner software.
: >>>>
: >>>> I want to try and use the WIATwain (Windows Image Acquisition)
: >>>> driver instead of 189 MB of software I don't use and don't want,
: >>>> just to get the driver (during the software installation, the
: >>>> scanner driver gets extracted and installed - I seem to have no
: >>>> access to it).
: >>>>
: >>>> If I uninstall .NET FrameWork, what happens to the other software
: >>>> on my computer (in case there is any that uses it? I also have the
: >>>> KB886903 Hotfix that came later.
: >>>> Please advise what to do ABOUT NET Framework and the hotfix.
:
:

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

DSG wrote:

[Lots snipped].

I thank you for your final comments about not using a registry
cleaner. I have never used one and it has always seemed scary to me,
so I will just take that off the docket. Thank you again for
responding and confirming what I suspected. This has been a helpful
study.

You're welcome. Glad to help.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Quick msg to Ken Blake, Mate ive been wonderin about this .net
framework 1 and 2 and just want to say that thanks to people like
you- you have saved me a lot of time, bother and effort, (having
similar probs as DSG),and as for you mentioning that .net1 is left in
with .net2 as they are two different entities-mate that has been my
mind boggle for ages after wiping .net framework 1 when I got 2,
luckely ive been able to reinstall without to much bother , then you
go on to mention about Reg cleaners which i do know a thing or two
about, and yes you are totally correct inrespect to this issue-mate
its great to get good SOLID advise from someone REAL and not too
technical-keep it up , Cheers from the land of oz.

You're welcome. Always glad to help, and thank you for the very kind words.