Rude replies

[Guest]

As a relatively new subscriber to this newsgroup, I wish to express my
disgust that one or two people are replying to questions that have been posed
by persons who are in difficulties by writing insulting and useless replies
that do not help the person who posed the original queries. I myself am not
in any way an expert: but when I see people who hold themselves out to be
experts indulging in personal and scatological abuse of others, I say ENOUGH!

Recently a person who calls himself Kurtrail and another who is called David
Candy have, in my opinion, fallen below the standards that I believe should
apply to a zone that should be dedicated to the pursuit of constructive
excellence. This site should not be the ground for the dissemination of
political or self-aggrandizing opinions.

Nor have we been helped by the fact that it now appears that two different
people are posting using the handle "Kelly". There is only one Kelly, so
please will the spoofer get off the line. I assume that those who host this
site will take notice of my remarks and take steps to regulate matters so
that only constructive and not DE-structive messages are posted.

 

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Neil UK" <[email protected]>

| As a relatively new subscriber to this newsgroup, I wish to express my
| disgust that one or two people are replying to questions that have been posed
| by persons who are in difficulties by writing insulting and useless replies
| that do not help the person who posed the original queries. I myself am not
| in any way an expert: but when I see people who hold themselves out to be
| experts indulging in personal and scatological abuse of others, I say ENOUGH!
|
| Recently a person who calls himself Kurtrail and another who is called David
| Candy have, in my opinion, fallen below the standards that I believe should
| apply to a zone that should be dedicated to the pursuit of constructive
| excellence. This site should not be the ground for the dissemination of
| political or self-aggrandizing opinions.
|
| Nor have we been helped by the fact that it now appears that two different
| people are posting using the handle "Kelly". There is only one Kelly, so
| please will the spoofer get off the line. I assume that those who host this
| site will take notice of my remarks and take steps to regulate matters so
| that only constructive and not DE-structive messages are posted.
|
| --
| Neil UK

Welcome to Usenet !

This NG is tame to many non-Microsoft NGs.

As for a Kelly name. There is nothing that states you must use a unique handle. The word
"Kelly" can be a first name or a last name. Try a situation where three people in a NG call
themselves "Dave". If you are unsure, look at their headers to tell them apart.

Oh, I see, you don't know how to access News Groups and you are using the MS CDO Web front
end to the News Groups and you can't see headers. Too bad -- learn !

 

[David Candy]

And there are two Kellys.

 

[kurttrail]

As a relatively new subscriber to this newsgroup, I wish to express my
disgust that one or two people are replying to questions that have
been posed by persons who are in difficulties by writing insulting
and useless replies that do not help the person who posed the
original queries. I myself am not in any way an expert: but when I
see people who hold themselves out to be experts indulging in
personal and scatological abuse of others, I say ENOUGH!

Recently a person who calls himself Kurtrail and another who is
called David Candy have, in my opinion, fallen below the standards
that I believe should apply to a zone that should be dedicated to the
pursuit of constructive excellence. This site should not be the
ground for the dissemination of political or self-aggrandizing
opinions.

Nor have we been helped by the fact that it now appears that two
different people are posting using the handle "Kelly". There is only
one Kelly, so please will the spoofer get off the line. I assume that
those who host this site will take notice of my remarks and take
steps to regulate matters so that only constructive and not
DE-structive messages are posted.

Only thing worse than a netiquette-lamer is a politeness-lamer.
Pansy-asses like you need to chill out before your a**hole sh*ts you
inside out!

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[Jon]

You would have been better just sticking to the rudeness issue. Telling
people they can't post using their own name is unlikely to be listened to.

Jon

 

[Larry]

You tell 'em, Neil. I'm too mad.

 

[kurttrail]

You tell 'em, Neil. I'm too mad.

Admitting your problem is the first step on the road toward recovery.

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[Guest]

Dave

Please, please, don't come over as arrogant. I am sure your family wouldn't
recognise the way you are responding to my letter of complaint. I don't
understand what you mean when you say "Welcome to newsnet". This zone is
supposed to be dedicated to being constructive. Do you think you have been
constructive in your response to me?

I do know how to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to handles.
I didn't need you to educate me. Being 70 years old doesn't make me an idiot.
Rather the opposite I should think. I still say that there should only one
"Kelly" as there is only one "Neil UK".

 

[kurttrail]

Dave

Please, please, don't come over as arrogant. I am sure your family
wouldn't recognise the way you are responding to my letter of
complaint. I don't understand what you mean when you say "Welcome to
newsnet". This zone is supposed to be dedicated to being
constructive. Do you think you have been constructive in your
response to me?

I do know how to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to
handles. I didn't need you to educate me. Being 70 years old doesn't
make me an idiot. Rather the opposite I should think. I still say
that there should only one "Kelly" as there is only one "Neil UK".

LOL! A senile pansy-ass! I love it!

Nothing worse that having some busy-body like you butting your nose in
what you could not and do not understand.

This isn't tea time at the bathhouse with the vicar. This is the
virtual wild west, and if you are as unarmed as you appear, then you
should cower in the corner with the womenfolk and watch house the
gunslingers fight it out, otherwise you'll get caught up in the
crossfire, like with this waste of a thread of yours.

Here is some sage advise:

Lurk, before jumping it with both feet. No CDO poster is taken
seriously here. So when you learn to ride without the CDO training
wheel, try your laming again. Until then, FROAD!

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[George]

kurttrail wrote, "Admitting your problem is the first step on the road
toward recovery." I pray you find that road kurttrail!!!

George

 

[peacemaker]

Hey Kurt. Before you go criticizing people on their lack of knowledge or
expertise you better take a look at yourself first. I see tons of posts by
you asking questions that my 10 year old niece can answer. So I question
your level of knowledge and expertise. Then I see replies from you that are
rude just as Neil explains and to top it off you give the wrong answers or
suggestions. I'm not sure if you do this on purpose just to irritate the NG
or if it is simply becuase you lack the knowledge. I assume it is the latter
given your attitude.

 

[kurttrail]

kurttrail wrote, "Admitting your problem is the first step on the
road toward recovery." I pray you find that road kurttrail!!!

LOL! I pray to my Lord Jaysus H. Christ that you go play in the middle
of a busy urban road at the height of rush hour. Amen!

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[Guest]

Dear Mr K**tr**l

Is there some reason that you feel driven to write insulting and abusive
material? It must go back to an unhappy childhood, I suppose. But why don't
you cut out the "***" and write the words out in full English? I assume it
because you know that someone would cut out your reply. Cowardly!

I am not a pansy: details of my heterosexual background can be supplied
(though not on this site). But if all you can do is to smear those who object
to your remarks, then you have no place in what is called an Expert Zone for
the discussions of problems involving the resolutions of XP problems.

Because you promoted it in these very pages, I have seen your polemical
website. It may surprise you but I do not disagree with many of the points
you make on that site. What I do disagree with is your immediate snarling
attitude on this particular website. The words "Up" and "Grow" leap unbidden
to my lips.

Go and lie in a darkened room and keep taking the tablets.

 

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Neil UK" <[email protected]>

| Dave
|
| Please, please, don't come over as arrogant. I am sure your family wouldn't
| recognise the way you are responding to my letter of complaint. I don't
| understand what you mean when you say "Welcome to newsnet". This zone is
| supposed to be dedicated to being constructive. Do you think you have been
| constructive in your response to me?
|
| I do know how to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to handles.
| I didn't need you to educate me. Being 70 years old doesn't make me an idiot.
| Rather the opposite I should think. I still say that there should only one
| "Kelly" as there is only one "Neil UK".
| --
| Neil UK

Neil please don't come over as a naive child !

There is *much* you need to learn and I am not your teacher. Nor is anyone of the *many*
volunteers who spend their time helping those with Windows problems.

I didn't type "Welcome to newsnet", I wrote "Welcome to Usenet". Usenet is one of the
oldest Internet functions. It is older than http servers.

Back the Kelly name concept. You have to adapt to the system. The system will not adapt to
you. You also must be an adult and handle sarcasm and criticism.

Now to some facts...

This is not a "Zone". This is a Microsoft provided "News Group" to assist those with
problems with Windows XP.

Usenet is as inter-connected system of servers that share News Group hierarchies Microsoft
owns the hiearchy microsoft.*. Other notable hierarchies are; alt.* , alt.binaries.* ,
comp.*, rec.*, and the list goes on. There are tens of thousands of Usenet News Group. The
microsoft.* hierarchy is but a small portion of the entire User's Network (ergo, Usenet)
system.

The "proper" was to access News Groups is via a News Client. Is uses a network protocol
called Network News Transport Protocol (NNTP). Just like you access a web server via a
Universal Resource Locator (URL) in the form of http://web_site_address/ there is a URL for
News Servers and News Grups news://news_server_name/news_group_name

The URL for this News Group is;
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

If you were to click on the above URL it will take your default News Client to the Microsoft
News Server and this News Group. Most likely your default News Server is Outlook Express.

Microsoft also provides, for the newbie, a web browser front end to the Microsft News
Groups. It is for the intelectually challenged individual, those who don't know how to
"properly" access Usenet News Groups.

The following URL will take your default browser to this News Group.

http://support.microsoft.com/newsgr...LCID=US&ICP=GSS3&sd=GN&id=fh;en-us;newsgroups

Now when I said "Welcome to Usenet" it was a sarcastic reply to indicate that your
expectations were too high and you need to go with the flow.

I don't know what your original problem was but if you don't drop that attitude of yours you
will not be helped and the sharks will smell blood in the Usenet waters and you will be
eaten alive.

 

[Guest]

Dear K******l

You are the problem. We don't need you. Bye, bye!

 

[kurttrail]

Hey Kurt. Before you go criticizing people on their lack of knowledge
or expertise you better take a look at yourself first. I see tons of
posts by you asking questions that my 10 year old niece can answer.

Quote some of them. I would bet most were rhetorical in nature.

So I question your level of knowledge and expertise.

Jack of all trades, master of none.

Then I see
replies from you that are rude just as Neil explains and to top it
off you give the wrong answers or suggestions.

LOL! I love how you make claims that you show absolutely no examples to
back up those claims.

I'm not sure if you do
this on purpose just to irritate the NG or if it is simply becuase
you lack the knowledge. I assume it is the latter given your attitude.

You ASSume?!

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[Guest]

So admit it then, Sonny Jim. Go home to Mama.

 

[Leythos]

Dave

Please, please, don't come over as arrogant. I am sure your family wouldn't
recognise the way you are responding to my letter of complaint. I don't
understand what you mean when you say "Welcome to newsnet". This zone is
supposed to be dedicated to being constructive. Do you think you have been
constructive in your response to me?

Neil, I've been on Usenet since the early 80's, and it gets worse every
year as more an more home users join the Internet age. The way that
Usenet works is that ANYONE can post ANYTHING and that it gets spread
around the world. The only thing that makes the MS groups different than
other groups is that MS has it's own Usenet servers which feed other
Usenet servers - and many of the MS groups are monitored by select
members of the team and some posts are filtered based on content.

In most groups, there are no moderators to filter posts, no admins, no
ability for us to cancel posts from lamers, etc....

The only thing that makes a "Zone" anything is the title of the group
and the quality of the members that frequent it.

I do know how to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to handles.
I didn't need you to educate me. Being 70 years old doesn't make me an idiot.
Rather the opposite I should think. I still say that there should only one
"Kelly" as there is only one "Neil UK".

This isn't going to happen - in Usenet it's not the posters name that
means anything, it's the message. You could have 50 people using "Neil
UK" and there is nothing you can do about it. If you connect to Usenet
through a Usenet feed and not a web interface you will find that it's a
lot easier to manage posts/replies/identities.

Just remember, it's not the user/name, it's the message that makes the
difference - anyone can post under any name at any time.

 

[John Eddy [MSFT]]

I do know how to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to
handles.
I didn't need you to educate me. Being 70 years old doesn't make me an
idiot.
Rather the opposite I should think. I still say that there should only one
"Kelly" as there is only one "Neil UK".

If you wish to complain about any particular user, I'd ask that you use the
Contact Us link at the bottom of the page you are using, or at the bottom of
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx.

As for people posting with 'duplicate' names, there isn't going to be
anything to be done about that. One Kelly is not trying to spoof another.
Unique logon names are not required in a Usenet newsgroup, which this is,
regardless of what client you are using.

John Eddy
Microsoft Newsgroups Administrator

 

[Guest]

Gee, I am so terrified!

Get the basic point and don't tell me I spelled something wrong. Answer me
right now: is it GOOD or is it BAD to sneer and use insulting and bad
language in response to the queries of the afflicted?