Registry cleaners

C

chicchio

Hello !

I have used RegCleaner for a long time; I have read about newer registry
cleaners, like CCleaner or RegSeeker, and I am asking if I must turn to these
SW.
But, I am asking also: do I *really* need a registry cleaner ?
I seldom do install/uninstall, except som updates of SW that I already have.
If I leave in the registry some old entries, what will be the result ?
My ideas about registry cleaners are a little confused, so can someone help ?

Thanks in advance, Enrico
 
P

Pegasus [MVP]

chicchio said:
Hello !

I have used RegCleaner for a long time; I have read about newer registry
cleaners, like CCleaner or RegSeeker, and I am asking if I must turn to
these
SW.
But, I am asking also: do I *really* need a registry cleaner ?
I seldom do install/uninstall, except som updates of SW that I already
have.
If I leave in the registry some old entries, what will be the result ?
My ideas about registry cleaners are a little confused, so can someone
help ?

Thanks in advance, Enrico

This topic comes up fairly frequently and appears to be a matter of faith.
Here are some hard facts:
- The registry does not need cleaning.
- Registry "cleaners" excel in reporting numerous registry "errors" which
they claim slow down your machine. This is the well-known FUD strategy:
Create Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
- These "errors", if they exist, do not slow down your machine. They do not
impair its operation either.
- Most registry "cleaners" do not improve the operation of your machine in
any way.
- Some registry "cleaners" cause serious damage. The average registry has
around 10,000 entries and the registry cleaners have no way of knowing the
meaning of each and every one of them. They therefore face an impossible
task.
- I have never seen a repeatable test that would demonstrate the benefit of
a registry cleaner. Those who swear by them claim big benefits but they
cannot substantiate them. I suspect the main benefit consists of having a
warm feeling deep inside about owning a "clean" machine.

I recommend that you do not use any registry cleaner.
 
A

Alias

Pegasus said:
This topic comes up fairly frequently and appears to be a matter of faith.
Here are some hard facts:
- The registry does not need cleaning.
- Registry "cleaners" excel in reporting numerous registry "errors" which
they claim slow down your machine. This is the well-known FUD strategy:
Create Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
- These "errors", if they exist, do not slow down your machine. They do not
impair its operation either.
- Most registry "cleaners" do not improve the operation of your machine in
any way.
- Some registry "cleaners" cause serious damage. The average registry has
around 10,000 entries and the registry cleaners have no way of knowing the
meaning of each and every one of them. They therefore face an impossible
task.
- I have never seen a repeatable test that would demonstrate the benefit of
a registry cleaner. Those who swear by them claim big benefits but they
cannot substantiate them. I suspect the main benefit consists of having a
warm feeling deep inside about owning a "clean" machine.

I recommend that you do not use any registry cleaner.

I have used a registry cleaner that has fixed problems, including
enabling a video game to play that would not play before using the
registry cleaner System Suite 5.

I recommend that one use a reputable registry cleaner when one needs to,
not as routine maintenance.

Alias
 
S

Singapore Computer Service

J

John John - MVP

chicchio said:
Hello !

I have used RegCleaner for a long time; I have read about newer registry
cleaners, like CCleaner or RegSeeker, and I am asking if I must turn to these
SW.
But, I am asking also: do I *really* need a registry cleaner ?

No. These cleaners are next to utterly useless and for most part they
usually cause more harm than good, you really *don't* need them.

John
 
C

chicchio

Thanks to all for the answers.
Now my ideas about registry and registry cleaners are clear.

Bye, Enrico
 
M

milt

chicchio said:
Hello !

I have used RegCleaner for a long time; I have read about newer registry
cleaners, like CCleaner or RegSeeker, and I am asking if I must turn to these
SW.
But, I am asking also: do I *really* need a registry cleaner ?
I seldom do install/uninstall, except som updates of SW that I already have.
If I leave in the registry some old entries, what will be the result ?
My ideas about registry cleaners are a little confused, so can someone help ?

Thanks in advance, Enrico


Here we go AGAIN!
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

I have used RegCleaner for a long time; I have read about newer registry
cleaners, like CCleaner or RegSeeker, and I am asking if I must turn to these
SW.
But, I am asking also: do I *really* need a registry cleaner ?
I seldom do install/uninstall, except som updates of SW that I already have.
If I leave in the registry some old entries, what will be the result ?
My ideas about registry cleaners are a little confused, so can someone help ?



I see that you've already gotten a couple of answers saying the same
thing I'm about to say, but I'll say it anyway, since I want to add my
voice to that opinion. Those with the opposite opinion may post
answers too, so an extra voice for the following should help you:

Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the
registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and
don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html

If you have used a registry cleaner for a long time, and never had a
problem as a result, consider yourself very fortunate.
 
T

Twayne

chicchio said:
Hello !

I have used RegCleaner for a long time; I have read about newer
registry cleaners, like CCleaner or RegSeeker, and I am asking if I
must turn to these SW.
But, I am asking also: do I *really* need a registry cleaner ?
I seldom do install/uninstall, except som updates of SW that I
already have. If I leave in the registry some old entries, what will
be the result ?
My ideas about registry cleaners are a little confused, so can
someone help ?

Thanks in advance, Enrico

I like CCleaner because it includes other little utilities that are
useful, but in your situation, I'd say NO, you do not really need a
registry cleaner. Good cleaners won't hurt anything, but in your case
aren't likely to help in any noticeable way either. Plus the good ones
will always let you back out any changes they've made. I've never used
it, but it's comforting to know it's there.
You're "confused" probably because there are two camps on the
subject, especially here on this group where there are a few closed
minds. But the two groups, usually more logical than the closed minds
here exist everywhere and the subject can become animated discussions.
If I were you and wished to stop using them, I would, but don't blow
it away just in case some use comes up in the future where it may be
useful. Those are generally specific situations though, not for what
you describe here. Then after several months of the macine slows down
you could run it and see if it makes any improvement or not; 9 times out
of 10 it won't if the only "problems" are some leftover entries.

HTH,

Twayne`
 
T

Twayne

Pegasus said:
This topic comes up fairly frequently and appears to be a matter of
faith. Here are some hard facts:
- The registry does not need cleaning.
- Registry "cleaners" excel in reporting numerous registry "errors"
which they claim slow down your machine. This is the well-known FUD
strategy: Create Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.

Aww, and you were doing so good, too. I suppose your strategy of
defamation and libel are better?
- These "errors", if they exist, do not slow down your machine. They
do not impair its operation either.

That's assuming they are never accessed, which isn't true. Just to GET
to the entry it's necessary to search an index and even if the entry
wasn't accessed, the time WAS spent.
What you mean is, it's very fast and seldom shows up as any speed
changes.
- Most registry "cleaners" do not improve the operation of your
machine in any way.

That's not true as in the right circumstance they can do a LOT to
"improve" the operatio nof a machine. You're myopically assuming the
only thing a cleaner does is remove unused entries.
- Some registry "cleaners" cause serious damage. The average registry
has around 10,000 entries and the registry cleaners have no way of
knowing the meaning of each and every one of them. They therefore
face an impossible task.

OFFICE has over 10,000 registry entries with a Full Install! Office may
or may not be the major occupant of the registry.
- I have never seen a repeatable test that would demonstrate the
benefit of a registry cleaner.

And, you have not tried to find such a test either; ever, or you would
have it. Likewise, I have never seen a repeatable test that WOULD
demonstrate that any damage of any kind can be caused by a full
featured, reputable registry cleaner.

Those who swear by them claim big
benefits but they cannot substantiate them. I suspect the main
benefit consists of having a warm feeling deep inside about owning a
"clean" machine.

And those who talk like you do are closed minds without actual
experience/knowledge of the situation or even how simple the registry is
to interpret and verify. You libel and defame an entire industry based
on NO verifiable evidence, and unlike you, I have looked for it at
places other that where biased articles written by other friends of
yours wrote. Name aumha in this case. Even there, one finds only opinion
and no verifiable information of any kind.
I recommend that you do not use any registry cleaner.

Same here, but not for the reasons you do; I recommend it because in his
case it is likely to be on no benefit to him. Unlike you, I even
suggested a "test" he could make to see for himself whether it makes any
difference, since he's been running it for a long time without problems.
He'll likely find no discernible differences in timing unless something
else goes wrong.

Thanks for letting me expose you again.

Twayne`
 
T

Twayne

Alias said:
I have used a registry cleaner that has fixed problems, including
enabling a video game to play that would not play before using the
registry cleaner System Suite 5.

I recommend that one use a reputable registry cleaner when one needs
to, not as routine maintenance.

Alias

Makes sense.

TWayne
 
T

Twayne

Ahhhm, Ken, the original cement-head with an MVP tag. If you ever find
reality, it's going to slap you good and hard right in the face. You
know a good registry cleaner is a good tool but you and others have
backed yourself into such a corner with your misinformation you're
afraid of looking like a fool if you admit reality. You remind me of
Magician Murphy, buried in tombs of books, looking feverishly for the
spell that will make everyone in the entire world think the way you do
without your having to justify or show how your allegations could be so.
You think, so you're sapient, but that's about all that can be said
about you.

Twayne
 
J

John John - MVP

Twayne said:
That's assuming they are never accessed, which isn't true. Just to GET
to the entry it's necessary to search an index and even if the entry
wasn't accessed, the time WAS spent.

Obviously you have absolutely no idea whatsoever on how applications use
the registry. The registry is not "searched", applications make
requests for specific keys and values, they don't search an index to get
those keys. Unused registry entries or dead keys are not accessed or
ever even looked at, the only time these dead entries would matter is if
the registry was extensively search by registry tools. The registry is
a hierarchical database, application have no need to search through the
registry, and they don't!

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms724875(VS.85).aspx
Registry Functions (Windows)

John
 
P

Pegasus [MVP]

Twayne said:
And, you have not tried to find such a test either; ever, or you would
have it. Likewise, I have never seen a repeatable test that WOULD
demonstrate that any damage of any kind can be caused by a full featured,
reputable registry cleaner.

When you discover or use something new then the burden is up to *you* to
prove that it works.If you think that your registry cleaner improves the
speed of your PC and if you want the rest of the world to accept your claim
then you must publish a set of reproducible test results. Consider the
opposite: I might claim that my PC works faster under the full moon. You
challenge my ridiculous claim and I tell you to disprove me. You obviously
can't, and according to your way of thinking my claim should stand as it is.
There is only one way out of the dilemman: I publish my test methods and my
results and I ask you to repeat them. I have yet to see such a test for any
registry cleaner.

In the same way I can't and I won't prove that some reputable registry
cleaner can't do damage. When a large number of people use this cleaner
without any detrimental effect then you can reasonably expect that it is
safe to use but you won't know for sure. We sometimes hear about the effects
of registry cleaners in this newsgroup when someone's machine gets thrashed.

In summary: Since nobody has published a repeatable performance test on
registry cleaners and since there are published instances of registry
cleaners doing damage, the reasonable course of action is not to use them.
Unless you believe in them and accept that it's a matter of faith.
 
P

Peter Foldes

No it does not make sense. Registry Cleaners are all (ALL) snake oil remedies.In the
hands of any person that does not know the Registry and what the Reg Tool is trying
to erase is an open invitation to disaster. Most people fall into this category
 
U

Unknown

Turns out that you're the real fool. You have no concept of the registry yet
persist
in claiming all sorts of erroneous things about it such as, it slows down
your system,
items are searched etc. etc. etc. May I suggest you write a simple program
which
must access the registry to teach yourself.
 
U

Unknown

First off, there is no such thing as a 'good cleaner'. And, you finally made
a truthful errorless statement----'aren't likely to help in any noticeable
way'.
Hooray for you!
 
R

Rick

chicchio,

"Be very afraid" of registry cleaners! I downloaded and ran CCleaner since
the beginning of '09 thinking it was doing no harm, only to learn that my
"Software Repair Tool" was missing and my "System Restore" kept displaying
this message:"SYSTEM RESTORE Restoration Incomplete Your Computer cannot be
restored". I made attempts to restore in "Safe Mode", to no avail. I have
not been able to resolve these issues.

Please, leave your registry alone!

Rick
 

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