Registry cleaners

[Bill in Co.]

It was pulled many years ago (during the ME days), it was causing
problems even on the DOS based operating systems, it wasn't necessarily
a problem with the newer Windows XP.

John

And unlike most others here, including Twain, I can testify to that,
firsthand, as Microsoft's old RegClean caused me some problems in my Win98SE
system (some were related to Netscape, for example). And as you said,
John, they removed it from their site years ago.

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:36:12 AM , and on a
whim, Bill in Co. pounded out on the keyboard:

And unlike most others here, including Twain, I can testify to that,
firsthand, as Microsoft's old RegClean caused me some problems in my Win98SE
system (some were related to Netscape, for example). And as you said,
John, they removed it from their site years ago.

One users experience. I had good results with it back then on
workstations. Would I let a user touch it? Never.


Terry R.

 

[Bill in Co.]

The date and time was Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:36:12 AM , and on a
whim, Bill in Co. pounded out on the keyboard:


One users experience. I had good results with it back then on
workstations. Would I let a user touch it? Never.

What does "good results" mean? I'm not denying that it can remove a few
spurious entries, but, big deal, and, so what? Nothing practical is really
gained. (I occasionally use one to *selectively* remove the most recent
file document list entries, which otherwise gets too cluttered, for
example). If someone doesn't know their way around regedit, for example,
they have no business even considering the use of such. And even if they
do know their waya around regedit, they know what is prudent (which is NOT
to run the automatic ones!)

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:38:23 PM , and on a
whim, Bill in Co. pounded out on the keyboard:

What does "good results" mean? I'm not denying that it can remove a few
spurious entries, but, big deal, and, so what? Nothing practical is really
gained. (I occasionally use one to *selectively* remove the most recent
file document list entries, which otherwise gets too cluttered, for
example). If someone doesn't know their way around regedit, for example,
they have no business even considering the use of such. And even if they
do know their waya around regedit, they know what is prudent (which is NOT
to run the automatic ones!)

Average users shouldn't mess with the registry, period.

But when an app failed to install properly, or the installation of a
program screwed up another program, it came in very handy. When viruses
came along before good eradication apps, they helped. "Good results"
mean just that. I never allowed an auto clean by any of them. And I
use ones that create backups prior to removal, under my control (I
personally like JV16, and an older version of it).

This argument continues and will until the registry is finally
eliminated. I don't recommend them, but I use them.


Terry R.

 

[John John - MVP]

This argument continues and will until the registry is finally
eliminated.

Then the registry cleaner vendors will tell us that XML files slow down
the computer and the argument will be about XML cleaners...

John

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:04:01 PM , and on a
whim, John John - MVP pounded out on the keyboard:

Then the registry cleaner vendors will tell us that XML files slow down
the computer and the argument will be about XML cleaners...

John

Of course! Sales people make me crazy!


Terry R.

 

[ANONYMOUS]

In your case the short answer is NO you don't need a registry cleaner.
To people who are paranoid about their registry entries, I always
suggest that the surest way and the most effective yet most secure
method is to do a clean install of the operating system every 18 months
or so. Doing a clean install ensures you clear not only any so called
rogue entries in your registry but also all the temporary files that
keep piling up in Windows OS. Microsoft, with all the brain power at
its disposal, thought that temporary files are the best thing for users'
enjoyment of computing experience! These files are NOT deleted
automatically and the members of the pig society frequently suggests to
defrag the HD and use the MS's Disk Cleanup utility. This never method
works (except it helps you to pass your idle time) and I strongly
believe that the only thing that needs defrag or cleaning up is their
own brain.

Hope this helps.

 

[ANONYMOUS]

Then the registry cleaner vendors will tell us that XML files slow
down the computer and the argument will be about XML cleaners...

John

The product that is actually a hindrance to the speed of the current
powerful intel and AMD processors is Microsoft's Windows OS. The speed
of the processors and other hardware has increased exponentially but
this is hindered by the Windows OS. The DOS was at least faster and
efficient despite running on low spec systems!

Perhaps Chrome will rectify this anomaly! The members of the pig
society (of which you are one) are required to stand by MS products even
if it is crap.

 

[John John - MVP]

The product that is actually a hindrance to the speed of the current
powerful intel and AMD processors is Microsoft's Windows OS. The speed
of the processors and other hardware has increased exponentially but
this is hindered by the Windows OS. The DOS was at least faster and
efficient despite running on low spec systems!

Perhaps Chrome will rectify this anomaly! The members of the pig
society (of which you are one) are required to stand by MS products even
if it is crap.

No one forces you to use Windows operating systems, if you don't like
Windows use something else, there is nothing wrong with Mac or Linux so
do what you have to do and cut the string. Or are you just too insecure
to do so?

John

 

[ANONYMOUS]

No one forces you to use Windows operating systems, if you don't like
Windows use something else, there is nothing wrong with Mac or Linux
so do what you have to do and cut the string. Or are you just too
insecure to do so?

John

The members of the pig society (of which you are one) are required to be
loyal and to stand by MS products even if it is crap. For the past 25
years, MS did its best to destroy any competition it had and now people
can't find any Accountancy or Tax software that runs on Mac or Linux.
Could you name me one? You are doing very well in being a member of the
PIG society. You should be supported by fellow pig members when your
membership comes for renewal. Indeed, I expect that you will receive
handsome support from other PIGS when they come to read this message. I
bet on it!!!!

 

[John John - MVP]

For the past 25
years, MS did its best to destroy any competition it had and now people
can't find any Accountancy or Tax software that runs on Mac or Linux.
Could you name me one?

What's wrong with Sage Accpac? What kind of accountant are you if you
can't even find your way to an accounting software package like Sage?
(Rhetorical, don't bother answering we already know the answer!)

Bye!

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Just a side-note to think about:
If cleaning up the registry is useless, as many of you said in this
thread, why did Microsoft release the RegClean utility at times of win98
- to speed-up(!) the PC ???

And why did they discontinue providing it almost immediately? More
importantly, why would you think that anything that may have applied to
Win9x could possibly apply to WinXP? For future reference, comparing
WinXP to Win98/ME is a lot like comparing a Lexus to a Yugo -- the only
similarities are entirely superficial.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

 

[Bruce Chambers]

To wit, Alias stated that he has had
success using System Suite 5 with regard to enabling a particular video
game to play that otherwise wouldn't.

And Alias also claims that Ubuntu is a superior OS. He has no credibility.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:11:13 PM , and on a
whim, Bruce Chambers pounded out on the keyboard:

And why did they discontinue providing it almost immediately? More
importantly, why would you think that anything that may have applied to
Win9x could possibly apply to WinXP? For future reference, comparing
WinXP to Win98/ME is a lot like comparing a Lexus to a Yugo -- the only
similarities are entirely superficial.

Far from almost immediately. It was available for years. And he wasn't
comparing the OS's.


Terry R.

 

[Keith Wilby]

The date and time was Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:36:16 AM , and on a whim,
Keith Wilby pounded out on the keyboard:


Hi Keith,

Why anyone would attempt to try one when a workstation is working fine,
I'll never know. Maybe curiosity. And that's where most users wind up
getting in trouble.

Like many others Terry, I believed the scaremongering. I don't know enough
about PCs to make a decision myself so I have to assess what information is
available and decide from that. Right now I believe that the right thing to
do is leave the registry well alone.

 

[John John - MVP]

The date and time was Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:11:13 PM , and on a
whim, Bruce Chambers pounded out on the keyboard:


Far from almost immediately. It was available for years. And he wasn't
comparing the OS's.

He's using information that was written for and that offers "tweaks" for
Windows 98, his source of information is inappropriate for Windows NT
operating systems. Also, little do many folks know but the RegClean
utility only ever looked for orphans or problems in the
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT key, the utility never ever looked at any other keys.

John

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Friday, July 17, 2009 12:48:38 AM , and on a whim,
Keith Wilby pounded out on the keyboard:

Like many others Terry, I believed the scaremongering. I don't know enough
about PCs to make a decision myself so I have to assess what information is
available and decide from that. Right now I believe that the right thing to
do is leave the registry well alone.

Hi Keith,

For most users, you are correct. I don't believe registry tools should
be used by anyone but those who work on them. Unfortunately, too many
think by using a utility like that it will save them the cost of having
a tech resolve the issue, and wind up damaging their system(s) and
costing more in the long run.


Terry R.

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Friday, July 17, 2009 3:48:43 AM , and on a whim,
John John - MVP pounded out on the keyboard:

He's using information that was written for and that offers "tweaks" for
Windows 98, his source of information is inappropriate for Windows NT
operating systems. Also, little do many folks know but the RegClean
utility only ever looked for orphans or problems in the
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT key, the utility never ever looked at any other keys.

John

He stated "at times of Win98" when talking about RegClean, which was to
counter all the "useless" comments. He didn't state RegClean should be
used for NT kernel OS's.

But it's always good to clarify statements in newsgroups where the
casual reader may misinterpret what was said.



Terry R.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

He stated "at times of Win98" when talking about RegClean, which was to
counter all the "useless" comments. He didn't state RegClean should be
used for NT kernel OS's.

And what would be his purpose in interjecting such an off-topic,
irrelevant piece of trivia, if not a lame attempt to support the
position that registry cleaners were also applicable to WinXP?


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

 

[Franz Leu]

And what would be his purpose in interjecting such an off-topic,
irrelevant piece of trivia, if not a lame attempt to support the
position that registry cleaners were also applicable to WinXP?

Don't you have anything more important to do than just 'guess-working' ....
For me, this thread does not give any further interesting information. I
am not interested in an OffTopic discussion (guess-working) that is just
smalltalk. That's just garbage to the web and newgroups, and I assume it
is as well not of any use for the person who started this thread out of
a need for a recommendation.

I regard this thread as 'closed' in the sense of OriginalTopic.

Oh btw ... MS is still cleaning out the registry with its on line tools
at onecare live saftey (or something like that).
Now, you can go ahead and discuss about the sense of this and why MS is
doing it if does not make any sense .... or whatever .

Bye
Franz