registry cleaners

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Twayne said:
Are you too lazy to provide links to support your claim? Don't expect
us to go on a wild goose chase on the internet looking for figments of
your imagination! Rebooting a computer 3 times (or 54,000 times) does
not clean the registry, you are the one who made the claim so it is up
to you to provide supporting information, it is not up to us to
validate your claims, put up or shut up.

John

Nope, not too lazy; just not going to do it because of the subject. YOU
want the info, YOU go and get it. It's there. If it's something you
want, it's up to YOU to do the research.
You also need a lesson or two in reading comprehension: go back and
READ what I originally said; it'll give you hints to find it. I did not
say it "does registry cleaning" now, did I? Remember the claims windows
used to make about XP being "self healing"? Cheh kitout.
 
Twayne said:
Nope, not too lazy; just not going to do it because of the subject. YOU
want the info, YOU go and get it.

Exactly as I figured. You don't know what you are talking about so once
again *YOU* posted FUD and nonsense and you can't provide any
information to backup your claim. It doesn't surprise me one bit that
is your usual MO, post lies and misinformation then try to weasel your
way out of your lies by blaming others.

John
 
John said:
Exactly as I figured. You don't know what you are talking about so once
again *YOU* posted FUD and nonsense and you can't provide any
information to backup your claim. It doesn't surprise me one bit that
is your usual MO, post lies and misinformation then try to weasel your
way out of your lies by blaming others.

John

Indeed.
Empty glasses make the most noise.
 
When the perennial question arises regarding "registry
cleaners", the only answer that is required is: "Use at your own
risk."

That should be warning enough.

No need for preaching or recommendations or whatever.

Doug W.
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C.Joseph Drayton said:
Blake,

You could try some 'real' world test. Take a drive that has
had a large number of installs/uninstalls and test if for
speed where a large number of small DLLs are loaded and
unloaded as needed. Take that drive and run a registry
cleaner on it properly and do the same test, you will see
that their is an increase in speed.

Subjective and hearsay evidence is just that. But some documented evidence
(by some citable, peer-reviewed cites) would be meaningful. If you have
any, please post them.

And once again, the clause "run more efficiently" is completely ambiguous,
at least from my viewpoint (as an EE).
 
John John (MVP) said:
Exactly as I figured. You don't know what you are talking about so
once again *YOU* posted FUD and nonsense and you can't provide any
information to backup your claim. It doesn't surprise me one bit that
is your usual MO, post lies and misinformation then try to weasel your
way out of your lies by blaming others.

John
Awww, listen to the little child when it can't get everything simply
handed to it. If you tried and couldn't find it, that would be one
thing, but ... it's a cruel world out there so get used to doing things
for yourself or go without.
 
Unknown said:
You obviously are suffering from CRS. How old are you anyway?

You're OT: What, nothing intelligent to say? Yer funneee! You're
comedic here, but not funny.

Just so I'm not off topic too, , I'll add: Registry cleaners have their
definite place in the world of windows computers. Most thinking people
know that and many others also share my experience of having used them
for years with never a flaw or problem. I have had MS programs crash,
the OS crash, file corruption issues, but never with my registry
cleaners. That's interesting; must be because it's intelligent enough
to monitor itself for any changes, huh? Oh, I forgot: You've never used
one. That's OK though; they aren't really needed very often, as I have
said tens of time throughout this thread where the closed mind, sock
puppets and parrots have sucked a tentacle onto a bottom feeder that
can't think.
Since you don't know, when you post somethign that is completely off
topic to the newsgroup and the topic at hand, you are supposed to
indicate so by incluting "OT" at the beginning of the Subject Line. Ah,
but that would require a thinking sapience, wouldn't it? I keep
forgetting I'm not addressing such a thing here.

Go ahead & scratch it; no one's looking.
 
From: "Twayne" <[email protected]>


| Awww, listen to the little child when it can't get everything simply
| handed to it. If you tried and couldn't find it, that would be one
| thing, but ... it's a cruel world out there so get used to doing things
| for yourself or go without.


Twayne:

I respectfully request... Please post the URL.
 
Sorry, but I completely disagree with most of your message. Your
statements "Registry cleaners within themselves are a good idea" and
"Defragmenting and compacting and removing unused entries in your
registry will in fact make your machine run more efficiently." In
fact, registry cleaning does not accomplish that or anything else
useful. It is a wasted effort, and more of a risk than anything else.


Blake,

You could try some 'real' world test. Take a drive that has
had a large number of installs/uninstalls and test if for
speed where a large number of small DLLs are loaded and
unloaded as needed. Take that drive and run a registry
cleaner on it properly and do the same test, you will see
that their is an increase in speed.

As to risk, one should never allow a registry cleaner to
automatically remove items. A person should look through the
list to confirm that the items the cleaner has flagged as no
longer necessary are in fact no longer necessary.

I contend and will always favor that users should learn how
to properly maintain there computer . . . which means
learning what the registry does and how it is being used by
applications. There is risk in anything but the risk
diminishes when one equips themselves with knowledge.

Sincerely,
C.Joseph Drayton, Ph.D. AS&T

CSD Computer Services

Web site: http://csdcs.site90.net/
E-mail: (e-mail address removed)90.net
 
C.Joseph Drayton said:
Blake,

You could try some 'real' world test. Take a drive that has had a
large number of installs/uninstalls and test if for speed where a
large number of small DLLs are loaded and unloaded as needed. Take
that drive and run a registry cleaner on it properly and do the same
test, you will see that their is an increase in speed.

As to risk, one should never allow a registry cleaner to automatically
remove items. A person should look through the list to confirm that
the items the cleaner has flagged as no longer necessary are in fact
no longer necessary.

I contend and will always favor that users should learn how to
properly maintain there computer . . . which means learning what the
registry does and how it is being used by applications. There is risk
in anything but the risk diminishes when one equips themselves with
knowledge.

Sincerely,
C.Joseph Drayton, Ph.D. AS&T

CSD Computer Services

Web site: http://csdcs.site90.net/
E-mail: (e-mail address removed)90.net

That's true CJ, but it's going to fall on deaf ears or minimum ignorant
ones with questionable intentions.

In addition, the better ones, such as both of the ones I use right now,
also give you choices such as 1.Let me show it where the missing data is
that it couldn't find, 2., Remove the entry because I don't use that app
any more, 3., Try to fix it manually, meaning, jump to the registry
entry to look around in it, 4, Don't do anything, and finally, 5, Ignore
& don't report this issue in future scans. Seems like I missed
something, but that's at least most of it.
They both define what will be edited, removed, added or otherwise
manipulated based on its own search of the disk drives and possible
solutions it found. Oh yeah, it shows a severity level too. These are
the specific things that make some of them great tools even for newbies,
because they use language that most are goign to understand.
I do admit that I don't delete registry change stores until a few
weeks after the changes just in case, but it hasn't disappointed me yet.
They take so little space it's usually months before I actually delete
them and they always end up in my archives the next day anyway, so ... .

Although the scenario you gave is a good one, it's fairly possible
for the time differences to not be very substantia, depending on a lot
of variables. In most cases it won't be the increase in speed that will
be as noticeable, IME anyway, as the inprovement in load and cpu
intensive applications. I don't mean there will be NO difference, just
that, amongst all the other things in a poorly maintained machine, it
may not be very noticeable in the overall scheme of things.

Just for grins, on a machine I was about to rebuild, I once used
Regedit to export the entire registry and then ran that resulting .REG,
twice, pulling back in all of those same entries twice. It begs the
question why it takes a registry cleaner to notice multiple duplicate
entries, especially since the registry is a database, but ... that's how
it is.
That was on early XP, SP1 I think. The results were not only
noticeable, but boot times more than doubled, shut downs took forever,
and the odd long pauses cropped up here and there on the machine. I ran
out of time and didn't get to verify the "why"s of it all. I have to
assume the besides all the extraneous entries I created, that it also
sort of baffled the OS on what improprieties were also present in the
registry. So if one registry search "miss" had to go thru the 20S
timeout, now it went thru it twice or thrice, and so on.
Computers are stupid: They can only do what they're told to do, not
what we meant to do<g>.

Regards,

Twayne
 
Bill said:
Subjective and hearsay evidence is just that. But some documented evidence
(by some citable, peer-reviewed cites) would be meaningful. If you have
any, please post them.

And once again, the clause "run more efficiently" is completely ambiguous,
at least from my viewpoint (as an EE).

Hi Ken,

First of all Ken any type of speed test is 'subjective'. If
everyone had the exact same computer running the exact same
software and used their computer in exactly the same way,
your request might be reasonable.

In the past I have commented on other 'old wives tales' told
here and ended up saying that the bottom line is what works
best for the 'individual' user.

'Run more efficiently' is not ambiguous, it is subjective.
If you have a 8 cylinder car that is running on 7 cylinders,
and compare it to a four cylinder car that is running on all
four cylinders, the 8 cylinder car can run faster. If all 8
cylinders were firing then it would run faster still.
Basically when I say it will run more efficiently, I am not
comparing it to other machines, I am comparing it to itself.
If the machine is sifting though unused or incorrect entries
than yes it will be less efficient. If it takes 6 megs
rather than four megs of RAM to hold its entries than in
'my' opinion it is not running as efficiently as it could be.

The major point of my response to the OP is like most tools
if properly used can be useful if not then can be useless or
damaging. To tell a person not to use a tool rather than say
to them learn how to use the tool before using it is what I
have a problem with.

Sincerely,
C.Joseph Drayton, Ph.D. AS&T

CSD Computer Services

Web site: http://csdcs.site90.net/
E-mail: (e-mail address removed)90.net
 
Bill in Co. said:
Subjective and hearsay evidence is just that. But some documented
evidence (by some citable, peer-reviewed cites) would be meaningful.
If you have any, please post them.

And once again, the clause "run more efficiently" is completely
ambiguous, at least from my viewpoint (as an EE).

Omighosh, you're an EE?!? WOW! An EE! Gee gosh, that almost makes you
a GOD on this subject! Wow, you are SO smart! What does EE stand for
in your case: Etrain Engineer?
That hearsay evidence of yours then implies that you're able to
apply yourself to analytical and technical matters IF you actually have
the sheepskin! Why don't YOU do some tests and prove it? Be sure to
clearly explain the control/s you set and your full methodology. That
way others can repeat the tests on their machines and add even more
power to your hearsay claims. Just t hink how great you'd feel if you
were right in your parroted comments. Which you are not, unfortunately.

Oh, by the way, I'm also an EE plus some more, and before I was forced
to retire for health reasons, I was Director of North American Research
& Development, respoinsible for R&D departments in Ottawa, NY, Pa, 2 in
Tx, Fl, IL, Mexico City, and later on of R&D in Wales, the Support
Department in London, and took on all of the North American Support
Departments, too eventually.
Now, that shoud surely mean I HAVE to be right in everything I say,
right? WRONG!
While everything I said is true, it has not one single element of
anything that relates to or proves my abilities to be right with respect
to registry cleaners. Most people use things like that in order to
distract the conversation onto a different track and away from that
which they know to be true but can not force themselves to admit, nor to
find the ambition (if you ever had any) to actually figure out and prove
a claim that is SO simple and easy to do that even an idiot could do it.
Why, even YOU could do it?
So why don't you? I've mentioned several times why I won't repeat
msyelf; what's your excuse for not gaining some actual knowldedge?
Afraid you're wrong? You are, you know.

Twayne
 
Twayne said:
Omighosh, you're an EE?!? WOW! An EE! Gee gosh, that almost makes you
a GOD on this subject! Wow, you are SO smart! What does EE stand for
in your case: Etrain Engineer?
That hearsay evidence of yours then implies that you're able to
apply yourself to analytical and technical matters IF you actually have
the sheepskin! Why don't YOU do some tests and prove it? Be sure to
clearly explain the control/s you set and your full methodology. That
way others can repeat the tests on their machines and add even more
power to your hearsay claims. Just t hink how great you'd feel if you
were right in your parroted comments. Which you are not, unfortunately.

Oh, by the way, I'm also an EE plus some more, and before I was forced
to retire for health reasons, I was Director of North American Research
& Development, respoinsible for R&D departments in Ottawa, NY, Pa, 2 in
Tx, Fl, IL, Mexico City, and later on of R&D in Wales, the Support
Department in London, and took on all of the North American Support
Departments, too eventually.
Now, that shoud surely mean I HAVE to be right in everything I say,
right? WRONG!
While everything I said is true, it has not one single element of
anything that relates to or proves my abilities to be right with respect
to registry cleaners. Most people use things like that in order to
distract the conversation onto a different track and away from that
which they know to be true but can not force themselves to admit, nor to
find the ambition (if you ever had any) to actually figure out and prove
a claim that is SO simple and easy to do that even an idiot could do it.
Why, even YOU could do it?
So why don't you? I've mentioned several times why I won't repeat
msyelf; what's your excuse for not gaining some actual knowldedge?
Afraid you're wrong? You are, you know.

Twayne

LOL. Keep digging that hole. You're doing an admirable job of it, Bubba.
Kudos.

 
C.Joseph Drayton said:
Hi Ken,

First of all Ken any type of speed test is 'subjective'. If
everyone had the exact same computer running the exact same
software and used their computer in exactly the same way,
your request might be reasonable.

In the past I have commented on other 'old wives tales' told
here and ended up saying that the bottom line is what works
best for the 'individual' user.

'Run more efficiently' is not ambiguous, it is subjective.

Which makes it a bit ambiguous, essentially by definition. (Unambiguous
implies that it is certiable and quantifiable).
If you have a 8 cylinder car that is running on 7 cylinders,
and compare it to a four cylinder car that is running on all
four cylinders, the 8 cylinder car can run faster. If all 8
cylinders were firing then it would run faster still.
Basically when I say it will run more efficiently, I am not
comparing it to other machines, I am comparing it to itself.

But there are no objective, certifiable, and quantifiable tests with results
to prove that.
If the machine is sifting though unused or incorrect entries
than yes it will be less efficient. If it takes 6 megs
rather than four megs of RAM to hold its entries than in
'my' opinion it is not running as efficiently as it could be.

But that would be extremely insignificant, and not even noticeable. I
mean, if you follow that logic, than removing any extraneous entry in
anything is beneficial, end of story (which sounds theoretically :-). ut
the problem is what usually happens as a consequence of that, for something
unforseen (meaning, that assumed spurious entry really wasn't extraneous,
afterall - and no registry program is smart enough to flag and catch all of
them). The point is there is nothing really (practically) to be gained
using a registry cleaner, unless you are trying to, say, customize
something, or perhaps remove a bunch of items from the windows Recent
history list, or fix a specific program bug due to an erroneous registry
entry, or something like that) that can't otherwise be done.
 
Twayne said:
A lot of people don't realize it, but simply restarting your XP computer
3 times in succession is a form of "registry cleaning". It's always
surprising people that a machine can fix itself; but the 3 Restarts is
one way to speed up that process.


Utter nonsense.

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The fact that Twayne advocates using regsitry cleaners should tell you folks
where he's at.....and what his competency level is.

'nuff said
 
I think Twayne and The Real Truth should get together and clean each other's
registries :-)

I mean come on folks - are you really going to listen to someone with a name
like The Real Truth?

That alone should be enough to set off alarms....
 
Oh-oh someone hit Twayne's pride button - better go and clean your
registry - it's starting to look pretty foul and bloated.
Perhaps you should uninstall some of your pride and arrogance.

You know when someone starts quoting their resume to show how 'superior'
they are the show's almost over. I think we should all chip in and get
Twayne some 'tune up in a can' that way he can get his health back ;-)
 
Dave said:
I think Twayne and The Real Truth should get together and clean each
other's
registries :-)
:-)

I mean come on folks - are you really going to listen to someone with a
name
like The Real Truth?

Oh, come on now. At least Twain did. That's where he got all his "info".
 
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