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No. That's for "Outlook Express" which is an entirely different product.
No. That's for "Outlook Express" which is an entirely different product.
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Ken Springer
Libre Office is a spin off of Open Office/Star Office. Available for
Linux, Mac, and Windows. Oxygen Office and the current Lotus Symphony
are also based on Open Office.
I've gotten frustrated with bugs in LO, so I've given up on it. Which
is too bad, I'd like to see serious Office competition. If there was a
Mac version of Word Perfect, I'd buy it.
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Ken Springer
One thing you can't do in tables in the free 2012 version is sort your
data. I've been told you can't sort in the paid version also, but I do
not know that for sure.
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VanguardLH
Ken said:
My aunt happened to call me while composing this reply. I asked her
about table sorting and she said she has never needed to do that. She
knows a hell of a lot more about what Office, especially Word, can do
but never needed to do that. For that level of complexity or table
size, she creates a spreadsheet and links or embeds it into her doc.
I've been using MS Office since the 95 version and now up to 2010
version. In all that time of 18+ years, I've never needed to sort a
table in a doc (but I have needed to sort in a spreadsheet). I didn't
even think about sorting a doc table until you mentioned it.
I created a table in MS Word 2010. I right-clicked on borders, selected
a column with numbers, selected the entire table, and right-clicked on
the "+" object handle at the upper left of a table but there is no Sort
option in the context menu. In its help, I searched on "table sort" and
"sort table". Nothing came up. Not until I clicked on the Layout
ribbon tab did I finally find a Sort function (I really need to get the
classic menus add-on so I can more quickly find functions in MS Word
2010). It's obvious that table sorting is not something I've done much
(actually I don't remember ever doing this). Guess Microsoft doesn't
consider sorting a property of a table. Yep, that worked to sort a
table in a doc but then considering the size of this behmoth software
I'm not surprised it has functions not available is far smaller and more
resource-light contenders.
The Kingsoft Office installer download is just 46 MB. For MS Office
2010 Home & Student that I have, its installer is 965 MB -- 20 times the
size of Kingsoft's installer. For MS Office 2010, the recommended free
disk space for installation is 3 GB; however, the C:\Program Files
(x86)\Microsoft Office folder is 647 MB in size (for me). For Kingsoft
Office Suite, the recommended free disk space is 1 GB (I don't know its
actual folder size since it's my aunt that has this on her laptop). I
doubt Kingsoft Office, especially the free version, does everything that
MS Office 2010 can do but then that's not expected of a lightweight
solution geared more for home users than for programs geared to folks
whose careers are professional editors in the Document department at a
company. OpenOffice, also much larger than Kingsoft, can also sort
tables.
Does MS Works (to which Kingsoft Suite was compared) sort tables in Word
docs? From an online search and reading forum articles, doesn't look
like MS Works can sort tables, either.
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Ken Springer
It all depends on what you use tables for, I guess. I use it for text
almost all of the time. I rarely need the number crunching of a
spreadsheet. I figured you could do this in a spreadsheet, but why if
Word can do it? And I rarely think of a spreadsheet for text uses.
I keep all these W#^*(T*(&* passwords you have to have these days in a
table. Then I just sort the Word table by site location just as if it
was a spreadsheet. Wouldn't be surprised if it's the exact same code as
in Excel.
If the table is simple and basic, and Word will do what you want, doing
it via spreadsheet seems to be extra work.
You can do basic math in Word tables too, in case you didn't know. I
tried that once or twice, but found it so cumbersome, I imported a
spreadsheet. Reminded me, somewhat, of setting up cell references in
VisiCalc so many years ago.
In Word 2003, the sort function is in the Tables and Borders toolbar.
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VanguardLH
Bill said:Thanks for mentioning this app (Kingston Office Free). I finally went and
downloaded it, and, at first glance, it seems great, as a lighterweight
Office replacement. I'm impressed.
I haven't put it through its paces, but the reviews have been pretty good,
from what I've seen. So I guess it would be fair to say that this may be a
superior lightweight replacement for Office (when compared to either
LibreOffice or Open Office), but that it may not have all the capabilities
of the latter (which wouldn't be too surprising, considering it's only a
small 50 MB install).
In the past, and when I was considering dropping the old Office 2003
(only because it's not supported and Microsoft suites not designed to
run on a [much] later version of Windows often incur problems), I looked
at several lightweight Office substitutes and this one bubbled to the
top of the trial list. Alas, like OpenOffice and other MS Office
alternatives, there was no e-mail component (i.e., Outlook). For that,
and to have a PIM that includes notes and hierarchical structure like
Outlook, EssentialPIM looked very good except it only supported 2 e-mail
accounts; however, not EPIM Free supports an unlimited number of e-mail
accounts. So Kingsoft+EPIM would give me a cost options:
- KingsoftFree + EPIMfree = $0
- KingsoftFree + EPIMpro = $40
- KingsoftPro + EPIMfree = $70
- KingsoftPro + EPIMpro = $110
versus
- MS Office Home & Business (to include Outlook for e-mail) = $394
(3.6 times the cost of KingsoftPro + EPIMpro)
Yeah, none of the Kingsoft + EPIM combo give me everything that MS
Office has but then I don't really care about a load of functions that I
never use. The only reason I upgraded from Office XP (2002) to 2003 was
that I got a legit copy off eBay for just $40. The only reason I
upgraded Office 2003 to 2010 (but not for Outlook which is still back at
the 2003 version) was that the OEM license came with the used computer
that a buddy gave me (and I could get the legit backup download from
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/p...re-microsoft-office-products-FX103427465.aspx
and used the OEM product key). If the new computer didn't come with
Office 2010 then I would've installed my retail copy of Office 2003, and
if I didn't want Office 2003 (or had sold it off or given it away) then
I would've gone with one of the above Kingsoft+EPIM combos probably
starting will both free and then moving up if I decided I needed, well
really if I wanted, the extra Pro features.
I tried both OpenOffice and LibreOffice. No thanks. The trials were
awhile ago and I wrote a list of why I didn't go with either of those
but it got tossed after I discarded both as alternates to a PIM like MS
Office. I do remember one failure during the trials: too slow to load.
Yeah, they've made improvement so it's faster than before but faster
than really slow is still too slow.