Networking XP computers w Vista Computers

[Guest]

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary computer on
my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best. Now I can't see the other
computer on the network because it has been determined to be a "has been",
what with only having XP on it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and have
yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of its glory,
could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to all sign on to the
new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe, just maybe ... someone
somewhere just might want to have an XP computer exist in peace and harmony
with a Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous idea, in fact
I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's their computer but "That's
a Microsoft problem, you gotta call them" ... okie dokie, call Microsoft but
damned if "HP is supposed to troubleshoot it cuz it came on their computer"
.... what fun, so call back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help, tells me to
d/l a patch from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the excitement is building,
we're gonna resolve the problem with a patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot everything
and .... and ... nothing, nada, nyet. Then he tells me I can pay $69.99 to
talk to their networking dudes who may or may not be able to help me. So,
here we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to be a fix to
this NOW to let these computers do what they are supposed to do!!! This is a
step backwards!! This should have been anticipated and worked out PRIOR to
letting the world buy it and screw up their small network connectivity. I
doubt if I am the only one that doesn't have the cash to just run out and
update all my computers and/or operating systems every time MicroSoft decided
to lauch a new version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual explanations ...
bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing and I can't think of any
[rational] argument to convince me that it should not have been taken care of
before the launch. It doesn't matter if it's a cable problem, OS problem,
security problem, whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just get
it fixed so it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving all the buttons
around so we get to play hide and seek finding them, the least you could do
is retain the previous networking functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more importantly,
how to overcome this problem ... all in language that us
non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????

 

[DP]

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and have
yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of its glory,
could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to all sign on to
the
new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe, just maybe ... someone
somewhere just might want to have an XP computer exist in peace and
harmony
with a Vista computer?????

I'm guessing -- purely a guess -- that this is not a Vista problem. My Vista
computer connects to a network that has an XP computer on it.
You're right to be pissed that it doesn't work. So far all your venom is
aimed at MS. But what if the problem lies elsewhere?

 

[Guest]

where else exactly could the problem lie?? All you have to do is read the
posts to conclude the obvious, it's not just me or anyone else ... whether
the problem lies in XP or Vista or both, Microsoft should have realized the
problem and solved it before release, it's a simple thing really!!! They can
fix both programs with their incessant updates whenever they want, they could
have solved it without all this hullaballoo!!

Let's be logical ... I could plug in a new XP computer to another and
voila!, there it is, we're set to go ... now I do that and I can't even get
it to work after hours of frustration, endless online chats and rooms, phone
support from MS and HP, both of whom acknowledge that "there is a known issue
...." ... DUH!! FIX IT!!!

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and have
yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of its glory,
could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to all sign on to
the
new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe, just maybe ... someone
somewhere just might want to have an XP computer exist in peace and
harmony
with a Vista computer?????

I'm guessing -- purely a guess -- that this is not a Vista problem. My Vista
computer connects to a network that has an XP computer on it.
You're right to be pissed that it doesn't work. So far all your venom is
aimed at MS. But what if the problem lies elsewhere?

 

[Chuck (in SC)]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:20:01 -0700, Dave B <Dave

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary computer on
my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best. Now I can't see the other
computer on the network because it has been determined to be a "has been",
what with only having XP on it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and have
yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of its glory,
could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to all sign on to the
new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe, just maybe ... someone
somewhere just might want to have an XP computer exist in peace and harmony
with a Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous idea, in fact
I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's their computer but "That's
a Microsoft problem, you gotta call them" ... okie dokie, call Microsoft but
damned if "HP is supposed to troubleshoot it cuz it came on their computer"
... what fun, so call back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help, tells me to
d/l a patch from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the excitement is building,
we're gonna resolve the problem with a patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot everything
and .... and ... nothing, nada, nyet. Then he tells me I can pay $69.99 to
talk to their networking dudes who may or may not be able to help me. So,
here we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to be a fix to
this NOW to let these computers do what they are supposed to do!!! This is a
step backwards!! This should have been anticipated and worked out PRIOR to
letting the world buy it and screw up their small network connectivity. I
doubt if I am the only one that doesn't have the cash to just run out and
update all my computers and/or operating systems every time MicroSoft decided
to lauch a new version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual explanations ...
bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing and I can't think of any
[rational] argument to convince me that it should not have been taken care of
before the launch. It doesn't matter if it's a cable problem, OS problem,
security problem, whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just get
it fixed so it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving all the buttons
around so we get to play hide and seek finding them, the least you could do
is retain the previous networking functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more importantly,
how to overcome this problem ... all in language that us
non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????

I use network magic to network xp and vista.. no problems.. during
install, it takes a couple of reboots that setup forgets to tell you
about.. works great though..
Chuck (in SC)

 

[Dr. Hackenbush]

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary computer
on
my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best. Now I can't see the
other
computer on the network because it has been determined to be a "has been",
what with only having XP on it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and have
yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of its glory,
could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to all sign on to
the
new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe, just maybe ... someone
somewhere just might want to have an XP computer exist in peace and
harmony
with a Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous idea, in
fact
I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's their computer but
"That's
a Microsoft problem, you gotta call them" ... okie dokie, call Microsoft
but
damned if "HP is supposed to troubleshoot it cuz it came on their
computer"
... what fun, so call back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help, tells me
to
d/l a patch from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the excitement is building,
we're gonna resolve the problem with a patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot
everything
and .... and ... nothing, nada, nyet. Then he tells me I can pay $69.99
to
talk to their networking dudes who may or may not be able to help me. So,
here we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to be a fix
to
this NOW to let these computers do what they are supposed to do!!! This
is a
step backwards!! This should have been anticipated and worked out PRIOR
to
letting the world buy it and screw up their small network connectivity. I
doubt if I am the only one that doesn't have the cash to just run out and
update all my computers and/or operating systems every time MicroSoft
decided
to lauch a new version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual explanations
...
bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing and I can't think of any
[rational] argument to convince me that it should not have been taken care
of
before the launch. It doesn't matter if it's a cable problem, OS problem,
security problem, whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just
get
it fixed so it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving all the
buttons
around so we get to play hide and seek finding them, the least you could
do
is retain the previous networking functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more
importantly,
how to overcome this problem ... all in language that us
non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????

Seem my post a few posts earlier "Vista & XP Network woes"

 

[Mike]

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and have
yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of its glory,
could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to all sign on to the
new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe, just maybe ... someone
somewhere just might want to have an XP computer exist in peace and harmony
with a Vista computer?????

Um, they did. It works. Well, it works here. I see Vista machines,
XP machines and OS X machines from any machine on my network. Wired,
wireless, makes no difference. They all play together.

But this is the 2nd post today of someone having problems connecting a
Vista machine to an XP machine.

Weird.

Mike

 

[Mick]

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary
computer on my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best. Now I
can't see the other computer on the network because it has been
determined to be a "has been", what with only having XP on it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and
have yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of
its glory, could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to
all sign on to the new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe,
just maybe ... someone somewhere just might want to have an XP
computer exist in peace and harmony with a Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous idea,
in fact I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's their
computer but "That's a Microsoft problem, you gotta call them" ...
okie dokie, call Microsoft but damned if "HP is supposed to
troubleshoot it cuz it came on their computer" ... what fun, so call
back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help, tells me to d/l a patch
from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the excitement is building, we're
gonna resolve the problem with a patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot
everything and .... and ... nothing, nada, nyet. Then he tells me I
can pay $69.99 to talk to their networking dudes who may or may not
be able to help me. So, here we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to be a
fix to this NOW to let these computers do what they are supposed to
do!!! This is a step backwards!! This should have been anticipated
and worked out PRIOR to letting the world buy it and screw up their
small network connectivity. I doubt if I am the only one that
doesn't have the cash to just run out and update all my computers
and/or operating systems every time MicroSoft decided to lauch a new
version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual
explanations ... bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing
and I can't think of any [rational] argument to convince me that it
should not have been taken care of before the launch. It doesn't
matter if it's a cable problem, OS problem, security problem,
whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just get it fixed so
it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving all the buttons
around so we get to play hide and seek finding them, the least you
could do is retain the previous networking functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more
importantly, how to overcome this problem ... all in language that us
non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????

I had this issue - problem solved by MS in article KB922120 which is
a down-load to place on each XP machine - makes them visible to Vista
machines allowing a full newtwrok map to be produced.

Mick

--

 

[Guest]

Their website description looks promising ... thanks!! Is there anyone else
with experience, good or bad, with the network magic software (or a
comparable third party software)??

I find it absolutely amazing that someone else could come up with a way to
connect XP to Vista before Microsoft could do it??? Heya Bill ... R&D means
Research and Development, the implication being that you use that time and
all the geniuses around the table to actually research the obvious, staring
you in the your face problems!!

Then again, this could just be a way to get us to all run out and buy Vista,
what with all of Microsoft's financial woes of late ... can't you just
imagine them sitting around the table talking about it and some marketing
genius says "well, ah, Boss ... if don't let them talk to each other, then
everyone will just have to go out and buy more Vista ... we'll tell them
we're improving their experience and making them more secure and they'll just
do it out of frustration in trying to get us to stop the doublespeak and fix
it like we shouldda before we released it. I mean, c'mon boss, it's not our
fault if they can't get the right software on all their computers, eh??

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:20:01 -0700, Dave B <Dave

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary computer on
my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best. Now I can't see the other
computer on the network because it has been determined to be a "has been",
what with only having XP on it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and have
yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of its glory,
could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to all sign on to the
new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe, just maybe ... someone
somewhere just might want to have an XP computer exist in peace and harmony
with a Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous idea, in fact
I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's their computer but "That's
a Microsoft problem, you gotta call them" ... okie dokie, call Microsoft but
damned if "HP is supposed to troubleshoot it cuz it came on their computer"
... what fun, so call back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help, tells me to
d/l a patch from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the excitement is building,
we're gonna resolve the problem with a patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot everything
and .... and ... nothing, nada, nyet. Then he tells me I can pay $69.99 to
talk to their networking dudes who may or may not be able to help me. So,
here we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to be a fix to
this NOW to let these computers do what they are supposed to do!!! This is a
step backwards!! This should have been anticipated and worked out PRIOR to
letting the world buy it and screw up their small network connectivity. I
doubt if I am the only one that doesn't have the cash to just run out and
update all my computers and/or operating systems every time MicroSoft decided
to lauch a new version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual explanations ...
bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing and I can't think of any
[rational] argument to convince me that it should not have been taken care of
before the launch. It doesn't matter if it's a cable problem, OS problem,
security problem, whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just get
it fixed so it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving all the buttons
around so we get to play hide and seek finding them, the least you could do
is retain the previous networking functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more importantly,
how to overcome this problem ... all in language that us
non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????

I use network magic to network xp and vista.. no problems.. during
install, it takes a couple of reboots that setup forgets to tell you
about.. works great though..
Chuck (in SC)

 

[Dr. Hackenbush]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:20:01 -0700, Dave B <Dave

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary computer
on
my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best. Now I can't see the
other
computer on the network because it has been determined to be a "has been",
what with only having XP on it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and have
yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of its glory,
could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to all sign on to
the
new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe, just maybe ... someone
somewhere just might want to have an XP computer exist in peace and
harmony
with a Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous idea, in
fact
I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's their computer but
"That's
a Microsoft problem, you gotta call them" ... okie dokie, call Microsoft
but
damned if "HP is supposed to troubleshoot it cuz it came on their
computer"
... what fun, so call back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help, tells me
to
d/l a patch from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the excitement is building,
we're gonna resolve the problem with a patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot
everything
and .... and ... nothing, nada, nyet. Then he tells me I can pay $69.99
to
talk to their networking dudes who may or may not be able to help me. So,
here we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to be a fix
to
this NOW to let these computers do what they are supposed to do!!! This
is a
step backwards!! This should have been anticipated and worked out PRIOR
to
letting the world buy it and screw up their small network connectivity. I
doubt if I am the only one that doesn't have the cash to just run out and
update all my computers and/or operating systems every time MicroSoft
decided
to lauch a new version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual explanations
...
bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing and I can't think of any
[rational] argument to convince me that it should not have been taken care
of
before the launch. It doesn't matter if it's a cable problem, OS problem,
security problem, whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just
get
it fixed so it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving all the
buttons
around so we get to play hide and seek finding them, the least you could
do
is retain the previous networking functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more
importantly,
how to overcome this problem ... all in language that us
non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????

I use network magic to network xp and vista.. no problems.. during
install, it takes a couple of reboots that setup forgets to tell you
about.. works great though..
Chuck (in SC)

See my earlier post, i tried network magic, only problem is it only works on
routet networks, i'm using a crossover cable D'oh

 

[Dr. Hackenbush]

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary
computer on my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best. Now I
can't see the other computer on the network because it has been
determined to be a "has been", what with only having XP on it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and
have yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of
its glory, could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to
all sign on to the new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe,
just maybe ... someone somewhere just might want to have an XP
computer exist in peace and harmony with a Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous idea,
in fact I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's their
computer but "That's a Microsoft problem, you gotta call them" ...
okie dokie, call Microsoft but damned if "HP is supposed to
troubleshoot it cuz it came on their computer" ... what fun, so call
back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help, tells me to d/l a patch
from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the excitement is building, we're
gonna resolve the problem with a patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot
everything and .... and ... nothing, nada, nyet. Then he tells me I
can pay $69.99 to talk to their networking dudes who may or may not
be able to help me. So, here we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to be a
fix to this NOW to let these computers do what they are supposed to
do!!! This is a step backwards!! This should have been anticipated
and worked out PRIOR to letting the world buy it and screw up their
small network connectivity. I doubt if I am the only one that
doesn't have the cash to just run out and update all my computers
and/or operating systems every time MicroSoft decided to lauch a new
version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual
explanations ... bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing
and I can't think of any [rational] argument to convince me that it
should not have been taken care of before the launch. It doesn't
matter if it's a cable problem, OS problem, security problem,
whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just get it fixed so
it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving all the buttons
around so we get to play hide and seek finding them, the least you
could do is retain the previous networking functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more
importantly, how to overcome this problem ... all in language that us
non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????

I had this issue - problem solved by MS in article KB922120 which is
a down-load to place on each XP machine - makes them visible to Vista
machines allowing a full newtwrok map to be produced.

Mick

--

I d/loaded this patch and put it on my XP machine but the vista machine
still wont let me access the XP machine

 

[Dr. Hackenbush]

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and
have
yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of its
glory,
could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to all sign on to
the
new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe, just maybe ... someone
somewhere just might want to have an XP computer exist in peace and
harmony
with a Vista computer?????

Um, they did. It works. Well, it works here. I see Vista machines,
XP machines and OS X machines from any machine on my network. Wired,
wireless, makes no difference. They all play together.

But this is the 2nd post today of someone having problems connecting a
Vista machine to an XP machine.

Weird.

Mike

Yup my post Vista & XP woes, still not working , only one way traffic

 

[Guest]

I read your post earlier, I was just feeling ornery and wanting to put a rant
in the main list of topics ... stirring the pot ya know, bump up the stats.
I just feel like it was completely irresponsible of MS to ignore the obvious
here ... pretty logos are nice, moving all the buttons around we can get used
to, but come on, how can you NOT think about resolving this??? Not one of
their tecchie geniuses thought of this ... if that's true, it's very sad

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary computer
on
my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best. Now I can't see the
other
computer on the network because it has been determined to be a "has been",
what with only having XP on it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and have
yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of its glory,
could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to all sign on to
the
new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe, just maybe ... someone
somewhere just might want to have an XP computer exist in peace and
harmony
with a Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous idea, in
fact
I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's their computer but
"That's
a Microsoft problem, you gotta call them" ... okie dokie, call Microsoft
but
damned if "HP is supposed to troubleshoot it cuz it came on their
computer"
... what fun, so call back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help, tells me
to
d/l a patch from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the excitement is building,
we're gonna resolve the problem with a patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot
everything
and .... and ... nothing, nada, nyet. Then he tells me I can pay $69.99
to
talk to their networking dudes who may or may not be able to help me. So,
here we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to be a fix
to
this NOW to let these computers do what they are supposed to do!!! This
is a
step backwards!! This should have been anticipated and worked out PRIOR
to
letting the world buy it and screw up their small network connectivity. I
doubt if I am the only one that doesn't have the cash to just run out and
update all my computers and/or operating systems every time MicroSoft
decided
to lauch a new version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual explanations
...
bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing and I can't think of any
[rational] argument to convince me that it should not have been taken care
of
before the launch. It doesn't matter if it's a cable problem, OS problem,
security problem, whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just
get
it fixed so it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving all the
buttons
around so we get to play hide and seek finding them, the least you could
do
is retain the previous networking functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more
importantly,
how to overcome this problem ... all in language that us
non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????

Seem my post a few posts earlier "Vista & XP Network woes"

 

[Mick]

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary
computer on my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best.
Now I can't see the other computer on the network because it has
been determined to be a "has been", what with only having XP on
it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know,
and have yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in
all of its glory, could launch such a major marketing campaign to
get us to all sign on to the new OS ... they never thought to
think that maybe, just maybe ... someone somewhere just might
want to have an XP computer exist in peace and harmony with a
Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous
idea, in fact I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's
their computer but "That's a Microsoft problem, you gotta call
them" ... okie dokie, call Microsoft but damned if "HP is
supposed to troubleshoot it cuz it came on their computer" ...
what fun, so call back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help,
tells me to d/l a patch from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the
excitement is building, we're gonna resolve the problem with a
patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot everything and .... and ... nothing,
nada, nyet. Then he tells me I can pay $69.99 to talk to their
networking dudes who may or may not be able to help me. So, here
we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to
be a fix to this NOW to let these computers do what they are
supposed to do!!! This is a step backwards!! This should have
been anticipated and worked out PRIOR to letting the world buy it
and screw up their small network connectivity. I doubt if I am
the only one that doesn't have the cash to just run out and
update all my computers and/or operating systems every time
MicroSoft decided to lauch a new version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual
explanations ... bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing
and I can't think of any [rational] argument to convince me that
it should not have been taken care of before the launch. It
doesn't matter if it's a cable problem, OS problem, security
problem, whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just
get it fixed so it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving
all the buttons around so we get to play hide and seek finding
them, the least you could do is retain the previous networking
functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more
importantly, how to overcome this problem ... all in language
that us non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????

I had this issue - problem solved by MS in article KB922120 which
is a down-load to place on each XP machine - makes them visible to
Vista machines allowing a full newtwrok map to be produced.

Mick

--

I d/loaded this patch and put it on my XP machine but the vista
machine still wont let me access the XP machine

Sorry to hear that - worked just fine for me.

No idea what else to suggest.

Mick

--

 

[Guest]

I normally don't reply if I don't have a solution but I have networked two XP
pro and 1 XP Home with 2 VISTA Home premiums with no problems at all. So it
is not inherently Vista or XP. I really didn't do anything special.
--
Paul

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary
computer on my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best. Now I
can't see the other computer on the network because it has been
determined to be a "has been", what with only having XP on it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and
have yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of
its glory, could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to
all sign on to the new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe,
just maybe ... someone somewhere just might want to have an XP
computer exist in peace and harmony with a Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous idea,
in fact I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's their
computer but "That's a Microsoft problem, you gotta call them" ...
okie dokie, call Microsoft but damned if "HP is supposed to
troubleshoot it cuz it came on their computer" ... what fun, so call
back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help, tells me to d/l a patch
from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the excitement is building, we're
gonna resolve the problem with a patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot
everything and .... and ... nothing, nada, nyet. Then he tells me I
can pay $69.99 to talk to their networking dudes who may or may not
be able to help me. So, here we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to be a
fix to this NOW to let these computers do what they are supposed to
do!!! This is a step backwards!! This should have been anticipated
and worked out PRIOR to letting the world buy it and screw up their
small network connectivity. I doubt if I am the only one that
doesn't have the cash to just run out and update all my computers
and/or operating systems every time MicroSoft decided to lauch a new
version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual
explanations ... bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing
and I can't think of any [rational] argument to convince me that it
should not have been taken care of before the launch. It doesn't
matter if it's a cable problem, OS problem, security problem,
whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just get it fixed so
it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving all the buttons
around so we get to play hide and seek finding them, the least you
could do is retain the previous networking functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more
importantly, how to overcome this problem ... all in language that us
non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????

I had this issue - problem solved by MS in article KB922120 which is
a down-load to place on each XP machine - makes them visible to Vista
machines allowing a full newtwrok map to be produced.

Mick

--

I d/loaded this patch and put it on my XP machine but the vista machine
still wont let me access the XP machine

 

[Guest]

Well, thanks to Chuck for his answer to the problem ... and kudos to Network
Magic for being on the ball and solving obvious problems that Microsoft
doesn't seem to be able to conquer. They deserve the business for staying on
top, that's how it's done!!!!

I am not completely done setting this up, but so far it is quite impressive
in the way it completely takes over your network settings and puts it all in
a convenient screen where you can understand what you are doing and how to
make stuff work!!!!

www.networkmagic.com free 7 day full trial, I downloaded with no problems,
re-booted and it works just like back in the old days when XP worked. To me
it's worth the money

Thanks again Chuck

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary computer on
my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best. Now I can't see the other
computer on the network because it has been determined to be a "has been",
what with only having XP on it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and have
yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of its glory,
could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to all sign on to the
new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe, just maybe ... someone
somewhere just might want to have an XP computer exist in peace and harmony
with a Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous idea, in fact
I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's their computer but "That's
a Microsoft problem, you gotta call them" ... okie dokie, call Microsoft but
damned if "HP is supposed to troubleshoot it cuz it came on their computer"
... what fun, so call back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help, tells me to
d/l a patch from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the excitement is building,
we're gonna resolve the problem with a patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot everything
and .... and ... nothing, nada, nyet. Then he tells me I can pay $69.99 to
talk to their networking dudes who may or may not be able to help me. So,
here we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to be a fix to
this NOW to let these computers do what they are supposed to do!!! This is a
step backwards!! This should have been anticipated and worked out PRIOR to
letting the world buy it and screw up their small network connectivity. I
doubt if I am the only one that doesn't have the cash to just run out and
update all my computers and/or operating systems every time MicroSoft decided
to lauch a new version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual explanations ...
bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing and I can't think of any
[rational] argument to convince me that it should not have been taken care of
before the launch. It doesn't matter if it's a cable problem, OS problem,
security problem, whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just get
it fixed so it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving all the buttons
around so we get to play hide and seek finding them, the least you could do
is retain the previous networking functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more importantly,
how to overcome this problem ... all in language that us
non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????

 

[noaim]

I have xp and vista same network no issues so who knows what ur problem is.

Their website description looks promising ... thanks!! Is there anyone
else
with experience, good or bad, with the network magic software (or a
comparable third party software)??

I find it absolutely amazing that someone else could come up with a way to
connect XP to Vista before Microsoft could do it??? Heya Bill ... R&D
means
Research and Development, the implication being that you use that time and
all the geniuses around the table to actually research the obvious,
staring
you in the your face problems!!

Then again, this could just be a way to get us to all run out and buy
Vista,
what with all of Microsoft's financial woes of late ... can't you just
imagine them sitting around the table talking about it and some marketing
genius says "well, ah, Boss ... if don't let them talk to each other, then
everyone will just have to go out and buy more Vista ... we'll tell them
we're improving their experience and making them more secure and they'll
just
do it out of frustration in trying to get us to stop the doublespeak and
fix
it like we shouldda before we released it. I mean, c'mon boss, it's not
our
fault if they can't get the right software on all their computers, eh??

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:20:01 -0700, Dave B <Dave

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary
computer on
my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best. Now I can't see the
other
computer on the network because it has been determined to be a "has
been",
what with only having XP on it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and
have
yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of its
glory,
could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to all sign on to
the
new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe, just maybe ...
someone
somewhere just might want to have an XP computer exist in peace and
harmony
with a Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous idea, in
fact
I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's their computer but
"That's
a Microsoft problem, you gotta call them" ... okie dokie, call Microsoft
but
damned if "HP is supposed to troubleshoot it cuz it came on their
computer"
... what fun, so call back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help, tells
me to
d/l a patch from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the excitement is
building,
we're gonna resolve the problem with a patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot
everything
and .... and ... nothing, nada, nyet. Then he tells me I can pay $69.99
to
talk to their networking dudes who may or may not be able to help me.
So,
here we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to be a
fix to
this NOW to let these computers do what they are supposed to do!!! This
is a
step backwards!! This should have been anticipated and worked out PRIOR
to
letting the world buy it and screw up their small network connectivity.
I
doubt if I am the only one that doesn't have the cash to just run out
and
update all my computers and/or operating systems every time MicroSoft
decided
to lauch a new version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual explanations
...
bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing and I can't think of
any
[rational] argument to convince me that it should not have been taken
care of
before the launch. It doesn't matter if it's a cable problem, OS
problem,
security problem, whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just
get
it fixed so it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving all the
buttons
around so we get to play hide and seek finding them, the least you could
do
is retain the previous networking functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more
importantly,
how to overcome this problem ... all in language that us
non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????

I use network magic to network xp and vista.. no problems.. during
install, it takes a couple of reboots that setup forgets to tell you
about.. works great though..
Chuck (in SC)

 

[Dr. Hackenbush]

thats exactly what i'm trying to find out

I have xp and vista same network no issues so who knows what ur problem is.

Their website description looks promising ... thanks!! Is there anyone
else
with experience, good or bad, with the network magic software (or a
comparable third party software)??

I find it absolutely amazing that someone else could come up with a way
to
connect XP to Vista before Microsoft could do it??? Heya Bill ... R&D
means
Research and Development, the implication being that you use that time
and
all the geniuses around the table to actually research the obvious,
staring
you in the your face problems!!

Then again, this could just be a way to get us to all run out and buy
Vista,
what with all of Microsoft's financial woes of late ... can't you just
imagine them sitting around the table talking about it and some marketing
genius says "well, ah, Boss ... if don't let them talk to each other,
then
everyone will just have to go out and buy more Vista ... we'll tell them
we're improving their experience and making them more secure and they'll
just
do it out of frustration in trying to get us to stop the doublespeak and
fix
it like we shouldda before we released it. I mean, c'mon boss, it's not
our
fault if they can't get the right software on all their computers, eh??

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary
computer on
my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best. Now I can't see the
other
computer on the network because it has been determined to be a "has
been",
what with only having XP on it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and
have
yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of its
glory,
could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to all sign on
to the
new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe, just maybe ...
someone
somewhere just might want to have an XP computer exist in peace and
harmony
with a Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous idea, in
fact
I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's their computer but
"That's
a Microsoft problem, you gotta call them" ... okie dokie, call
Microsoft but
damned if "HP is supposed to troubleshoot it cuz it came on their
computer"
... what fun, so call back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help, tells
me to
d/l a patch from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the excitement is
building,
we're gonna resolve the problem with a patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot
everything
and .... and ... nothing, nada, nyet. Then he tells me I can pay
$69.99 to
talk to their networking dudes who may or may not be able to help me.
So,
here we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to be a
fix to
this NOW to let these computers do what they are supposed to do!!!
This is a
step backwards!! This should have been anticipated and worked out
PRIOR to
letting the world buy it and screw up their small network connectivity.
I
doubt if I am the only one that doesn't have the cash to just run out
and
update all my computers and/or operating systems every time MicroSoft
decided
to lauch a new version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual explanations
...
bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing and I can't think of
any
[rational] argument to convince me that it should not have been taken
care of
before the launch. It doesn't matter if it's a cable problem, OS
problem,
security problem, whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just
get
it fixed so it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving all the
buttons
around so we get to play hide and seek finding them, the least you
could do
is retain the previous networking functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more
importantly,
how to overcome this problem ... all in language that us
non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????
I use network magic to network xp and vista.. no problems.. during
install, it takes a couple of reboots that setup forgets to tell you
about.. works great though..
Chuck (in SC)

 

[Dr. Hackenbush]

Dave B wrote:

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary
computer on my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best.
Now I can't see the other computer on the network because it has
been determined to be a "has been", what with only having XP on
it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know,
and have yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in
all of its glory, could launch such a major marketing campaign to
get us to all sign on to the new OS ... they never thought to
think that maybe, just maybe ... someone somewhere just might
want to have an XP computer exist in peace and harmony with a
Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous
idea, in fact I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's
their computer but "That's a Microsoft problem, you gotta call
them" ... okie dokie, call Microsoft but damned if "HP is
supposed to troubleshoot it cuz it came on their computer" ...
what fun, so call back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help,
tells me to d/l a patch from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the
excitement is building, we're gonna resolve the problem with a
patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot everything and .... and ... nothing,
nada, nyet. Then he tells me I can pay $69.99 to talk to their
networking dudes who may or may not be able to help me. So, here
we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to
be a fix to this NOW to let these computers do what they are
supposed to do!!! This is a step backwards!! This should have
been anticipated and worked out PRIOR to letting the world buy it
and screw up their small network connectivity. I doubt if I am
the only one that doesn't have the cash to just run out and
update all my computers and/or operating systems every time
MicroSoft decided to lauch a new version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual
explanations ... bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing
and I can't think of any [rational] argument to convince me that
it should not have been taken care of before the launch. It
doesn't matter if it's a cable problem, OS problem, security
problem, whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just
get it fixed so it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving
all the buttons around so we get to play hide and seek finding
them, the least you could do is retain the previous networking
functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more
importantly, how to overcome this problem ... all in language
that us non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????

I had this issue - problem solved by MS in article KB922120 which
is a down-load to place on each XP machine - makes them visible to
Vista machines allowing a full newtwrok map to be produced.

Mick

--

I d/loaded this patch and put it on my XP machine but the vista
machine still wont let me access the XP machine

Sorry to hear that - worked just fine for me.

No idea what else to suggest.

Mick

--

I appreciate yours and everybodys help and suggestions, i'm just wondering
if a clean re-install of XP might help just in case something somewhere is
corrupt , the Vista was a new clean install so that should be ok, nothing to
lose everything to gain ! possibly

 

[noaim]

I'm very happy it works for you although I'm still reluctant to purchase a
software for something that windows already does. It was just a matter of
fixing it in your case cause everyone that I have talked to so far sais they
have no problems networking windows vista and xp together.

Well, thanks to Chuck for his answer to the problem ... and kudos to
Network
Magic for being on the ball and solving obvious problems that Microsoft
doesn't seem to be able to conquer. They deserve the business for staying
on
top, that's how it's done!!!!

I am not completely done setting this up, but so far it is quite
impressive
in the way it completely takes over your network settings and puts it all
in
a convenient screen where you can understand what you are doing and how to
make stuff work!!!!

www.networkmagic.com free 7 day full trial, I downloaded with no
problems,
re-booted and it works just like back in the old days when XP worked. To
me
it's worth the money

Thanks again Chuck

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary
computer on
my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best. Now I can't see the
other
computer on the network because it has been determined to be a "has
been",
what with only having XP on it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and
have
yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of its
glory,
could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to all sign on to
the
new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe, just maybe ... someone
somewhere just might want to have an XP computer exist in peace and
harmony
with a Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous idea, in
fact
I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's their computer but
"That's
a Microsoft problem, you gotta call them" ... okie dokie, call Microsoft
but
damned if "HP is supposed to troubleshoot it cuz it came on their
computer"
... what fun, so call back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help, tells
me to
d/l a patch from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the excitement is
building,
we're gonna resolve the problem with a patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot
everything
and .... and ... nothing, nada, nyet. Then he tells me I can pay $69.99
to
talk to their networking dudes who may or may not be able to help me.
So,
here we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to be a fix
to
this NOW to let these computers do what they are supposed to do!!! This
is a
step backwards!! This should have been anticipated and worked out PRIOR
to
letting the world buy it and screw up their small network connectivity.
I
doubt if I am the only one that doesn't have the cash to just run out and
update all my computers and/or operating systems every time MicroSoft
decided
to lauch a new version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual explanations
...
bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing and I can't think of any
[rational] argument to convince me that it should not have been taken
care of
before the launch. It doesn't matter if it's a cable problem, OS
problem,
security problem, whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just
get
it fixed so it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving all the
buttons
around so we get to play hide and seek finding them, the least you could
do
is retain the previous networking functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more
importantly,
how to overcome this problem ... all in language that us
non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????

 

[Guest]

In Vista>Networking>Networking and Sharing>
1. Network Discovery ON
2 File Sharing ON
3 Password Protect OFF

You can figure the rest out smartarse!

I have just switched to a brand new Vista computer as the primary computer on
my network. I even got Ultimate to have the best. Now I can't see the other
computer on the network because it has been determined to be a "has been",
what with only having XP on it.

I have searched high and low, talked to people who [should] know, and have
yet to hear someone explain how it is that MicroSoft, in all of its glory,
could launch such a major marketing campaign to get us to all sign on to the
new OS ... they never thought to think that maybe, just maybe ... someone
somewhere just might want to have an XP computer exist in peace and harmony
with a Vista computer?????

Now you're saying that I should call tech support ... fabulous idea, in fact
I did that very thing ... started with HP cuz it's their computer but "That's
a Microsoft problem, you gotta call them" ... okie dokie, call Microsoft but
damned if "HP is supposed to troubleshoot it cuz it came on their computer"
... what fun, so call back HP, get a bit pissy, he tries to help, tells me to
d/l a patch from Microsoft.com, which I do ... the excitement is building,
we're gonna resolve the problem with a patch, yeah!!! ... re-boot everything
and .... and ... nothing, nada, nyet. Then he tells me I can pay $69.99 to
talk to their networking dudes who may or may not be able to help me. So,
here we are now ........

I mean, come on now ... let's THINK PEOPLE!!!!!! There needs to be a fix to
this NOW to let these computers do what they are supposed to do!!! This is a
step backwards!! This should have been anticipated and worked out PRIOR to
letting the world buy it and screw up their small network connectivity. I
doubt if I am the only one that doesn't have the cash to just run out and
update all my computers and/or operating systems every time MicroSoft decided
to lauch a new version of Windows!

Undoubtedly, someone will offer apologies, and ineffectual explanations ...
bottom line is that this isn't an uncommon thing and I can't think of any
[rational] argument to convince me that it should not have been taken care of
before the launch. It doesn't matter if it's a cable problem, OS problem,
security problem, whatever ... We don't care why it isn't working, just get
it fixed so it does work!!!!!! You had time to spend moving all the buttons
around so we get to play hide and seek finding them, the least you could do
is retain the previous networking functionality!!

Anyone out there that can shed some light on this ... and more importantly,
how to overcome this problem ... all in language that us
non-brilliant-tecchies can understand?????